Why Catholics Should Vote for Trump article

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tomarin said:
If he calls the coronavirus a ‘Democratic hoax’
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He understands the virus is real, he is pointing to the media lies surrounding it and their promotion of fear and a down economy as the way to win the presidency. Remember, “it’s the economy, stupid”.
 
Democrat lovers. instead of Trump bashing, tell us what you like about the democrat platform.
 
pnewton said:
I would suggest that they are not trying to appeal to those uneducated people that you and @Elizabeth3 referred to. Not everyone is anti-intellectualism. Some people value intelligence and do not consider it lame. Some of us actual want our leaders to be intelligent and not uneducated.
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  1. You misunderstand my use of the term “unedjimicated deplorables.” I didn’t use that term because I think the media, Trump or anyone else is trying to appeal to the uneducated and the unintelligent. I used that term (in quotes) because that is how the left and the MSM see Trump supporters. They think the only possible way anyone could vote for Trump is if they are dumb and lack a basic education. Personally, I think the average Joe is often times way more intelligent and perceptive than the elites in their bubble and the left who hangs on their every word. The fact that my term was taken as a serious point about intelligence shows that I’m most likely right in what the left prefers to tell themselves about Trump supporters.
  2. As I pointed out to another poster who brought up intelligence, I never referred to intelligence in my post, I was referring to the ability to talk to the average Joe person-to-person rather than talking down to them like most politicians do. Not really sure how that keeps getting interpreted as pro anti-intellectualism.
pnewton said:
For example, our mortality rate, right now, is 4.5%, and is not the lowest (one reason that lie might not have been reported) since the beginning of the pandemic.
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There really is no apples-to-apples comparison to mortality rates from other countries at this point. There are so many variables that we can’t really even say who is doing better than others.
  1. Not all countries have the same levels of testing
  2. Different countries have different standards of what is counted as a Covid death.
  3. Countries with older populations will have higher death rates than countries with a younger population.
  4. Some smaller, poorer countries with the lowest death rates have much less international traffic coming in and out
  5. Some countries saw cases much earlier or much later than the US and are only now beginning the upside of their first wave.
  6. Purposely deceptive reporting from some countries
I think it’s pretty disingenuous for the MSM to keep acting as if the numbers are an apples-to-apples comparison and just keep reporting hard data that doesn’t really tell us much of anything.
 
TheLittleLady said:
In 99 Mr Trump told Meet the Press that he supported partial birth abortion.
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Catholics will want to rejoice into Trump’s change, then, into the pro life President he is today. Thank you, God!

Whereas, sadly, Biden, has chosen to fall away from Catholic teachings, hasn’t he? He was once a pro life Democrat, but now he believes even babies about to be born should be allowed to be murdered. And he officiated at a gay marriage. He was part of the Obama administration’s vile attack on nuns, and was silent when Democrats attacked members of the Knights of Columbus.

This is a great tragedy, and we must pray for Biden’s soul, and advocate, however uncomfortable we are with it, for all Catholics to vote for Trump.
 
Elizabeth, your points 1-6 of why it’s not apples to apples are good ones. I’d add
2 more;
  1. America is a much freer nation than some others. China for example basically quarantined people at gunpoint; put people in camps, or worse (Radio Free Asia, picked up on Americanthinker, reported many sick with Covid as simply being killed).
  2. America is a much more urban nation than many others, and urban areas were hit harder than rural ones, I.e., New York City.
 
tomarin said:
A lot of times it’s just the plain meaning of his words. If he said ‘I don’t kid, let me make this plain’ about the slowdown in testing, who am I to say he’s lying?
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You can keep cherry-picking that partial statement the MSM reported to try to claim he was saying he wasn’t kidding about telling his admin to slow down testing or you can go to the full context of what he said, in which he says "I don’t kid. Let me make it clear. and then he goes on to refer to the overall point he was making about higher test rates will mean higher cases. They later, in the exact same article in which the headline reads “Trump says he was not kidding about slowing down testing.” give multiple statements where Trump makes it as clear as day that he never told his admin to slow down testing. Their headline is purposefully misleading. They do this knowing most people wont’ read beyond the headline.
tomarin said:
If he calls the coronavirus a ‘Democratic hoax’, what else am I to conclude but that this is what he believes?
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If you want to believe that Trump actually said the coronavirus itself is a Democrat hoax, then keep listening to the MSM. Snopes, who aren’t conservative friendly, debunked this saying he clearly said the Dems criticism of his response to the virus, (this was very early on before anyone knew much of anything), was the new Dem hoax. He did not say the virus was and yet people still keep repeating as if it was true.

 
I recall reading a transcript of his comments at the time and it was clear he called it a Democratic hoax. I am open to new perspectives but I don’t simply accept MSM ‘spin’ - I go right to the source. Part of the problem is that he is a bad communicator, does not use words precisely and makes statements that are ambiguous and open to multiple interpretations. The question is, how much time does one have to clean up his statements and put them in a better light than their plain meaning?

His press secretary and other members of the admin tried to do this with the slowing down testing comments - they said he was joking. Then he came out and said, he never jokes, making them look like idiots.

Another way to avoid MSM spin is to read his unadorned tweets - they’re still quite often appalling.
 
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VonDerTann said:
He makes no attempt to represent them? False. It’s not as if his policy mandates were only for his supporters.
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Making policy mandates that people must follow is not representing them. I said Trump made to attempt to appeal to liberals, and @buffalo wisely agreed.
One question, if you feel like answering:
Is there literally anything good you can think of to say positive about Trump?
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Trump has been reluctant to deploy US military power in starting wars. But this is the last purity test I will submit to, because it seems that answering purity test questions only encourages more of them.
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LeafByNiggle:
But it is a BAD THING that he has done nothing to make it more desirable to carry a baby to term.
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What?

Maybe he should give the pro=lifers praying outside the abortion clinic gift cards to persuade mothers not to murder their unborn.
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Yes! Especially if those gift cards are for pre-natal and delivery services. If we as a society so value the life of our future citizens in the womb, we should be willing to pay for their delivery, just like we pay for their elementary schooling.
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tomarin:
If he calls the coronavirus a ‘Democratic hoax’
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He understands the virus is real, he is pointing to the media lies surrounding it and their promotion of fear and a down economy as the way to win the presidency. Remember, “it’s the economy, stupid”.
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No, it is Trump who lies about the virus and the lives it takes and continues to take every day.
buffalo said:
…instead of Trump bashing, tell us what you like about the democrat platform.
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  • for equality of educational and economic opportunity
  • for DACA and compassion for the immigant
  • against systemic racism
  • serious about climate change
  • closing the racial wealth gap
  • criminal justice reform
  • civil rights
  • national service, like AmeriCorps
  • clean energy
  • protect SNAP
  • rebuild infrastructure, putting people to work
 
Trump’s tweets are interesting.Trump’s tweeting drives the mainstream media absolutely nuts. Why? Because when he tweets the media can’t spin or misdepict what he says. That’s one very large reason why people want to find some way to silence his tweets (like getting him kicked off), namely, they want to silence him or make him reliant on mainstream media.

That said, I don’t even think his tweets are meant to even always be serious or hard news, so much as they’re a way of basically sending short messages to people akin to how one addresses their friends. When I text my friends I don’t necessarily link to hard citations; i just say what’s on my mind.
 
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Elizabeth3 said:
I didn’t use that term because I think the media, Trump or anyone else is trying to appeal to the uneducated and the unintelligent. I used that term (in quotes) because that is how the left and the MSM see Trump supporters. They think…
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It is always easy to argue your point if you are allowed to state your opponent’s position as well.
Elizabeth3 said:
There really is no apples-to-apples comparison to mortality rates from other countries at this point. There are so many variables that we can’t really even say who is doing better than others.
  1. Not all countries have the same levels of testing
  2. Different countries have different standards of what is counted as a Covid death.
  3. Countries with older populations will have higher death rates than countries with a younger population.
  4. Some smaller, poorer countries with the lowest death rates have much less international traffic coming in and out
  5. Some countries saw cases much earlier or much later than the US and are only now beginning the upside of their first wave.
  6. Purposely deceptive reporting from some countries
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There are so many metrics with which to gauge the seriousness of the problem. And although each one has a level of uncertainty, the ensemble of data is overwhelming. We have badly handled this pandemic.
 
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Totally disagree that we’ve handled the pandemic badly. We’ve handled it reasonably well in light of the challenges (i.e. A country of our size; with a history of largely free domestic and international travel and government services largely delivered locally by towns and states.

Want a bad response? China. They lied to the world from the outset; threw people into camps; and if some sources are credible (and I trust radio Free Asia) affirmatively killed the sick.
 
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Elizabeth3 said:
. Let me make it clear. and then he goes on to refer to the overall point he was making about higher test rates will mean higher cases.
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Which is itself a deceptive point, because higher testing rates do not explain the higher hospitalization rates and hospitals being overwhelmed.
 
The devil may be dressed in sheep’s clothes.

Look at the shiny thing over here, while you blindly follow to the path of destruction.
 
And none of those nations have anywhere near the complexities of managing the nation that the USA has. To start, they are all largely geographically small and have largely homogenous and very small populations; as to Australia (which is geographically large) the relatively small population is largely limited to the coasts (and there are more sheep than people there!)
 
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