No, it is skyrocketing. The hospital admissions of seriously ill patients is undeniable. It is not just testing.tomarin:
Is it skyrocketing? Because early on the only people tested were the ones showing up at the hospital. People with mild symptoms were not tested due to scarcity of test concerns and told to just stay home but to go to the hospital if they develop difficulty breathing.
Six months ago, no one thought Covid-19 existed in the US.Elizabeth3:
No, it is skyrocketing. The hospital admissions of seriously ill patients is undeniable. It is not just testing.
How would that be enforced? What about my county that hasn’t had more than about 15-20 active cases at a time? Should we have 128,000 people masking at all times when they walk out the door because of that minute amount of cases who are quarantined? Is a national guideline such as masking necessary in such a large nation when we have state and local officials making the best decisions for their area? What about the subsidiarity which is a key teaching of Catholic social doctrine? "This tenet holds that nothing should be done by a larger and more complex organization which can be done as well by a smaller and simpler organization. " If my local officials don’t mandate masking, am I not free to mask anyway if I want to?
There are spikes in certain regions. There are also regions that are steady and declining. We were told to expect this. We were told that when these spikes occur we may have to roll back opening in certain places. We are doing that. These spikes have also come at a time when all the back-logged surgeries are taking up space as well, so of course hospitalizations are up in some places and yes there are people seriously ill with Covid in the hospital. So what?
Canada has done 80,009 tests per million population. The US has done 117, 211 per million population. When you have done 37,000 more tests per million population you will see data that reflects a higher confirmed Covid-19 case count naturally. The small print under the title of your data chart says “The number of confirmed cases is lower than the number of total cases. The main reason for this is limited testing.” Your chart does not prove Canada is doing better. It proves the US has performed much higher levels of testing than Canada.
So did I after Fauci proved wrong a couple of times.
It wasn’t really about disease. But whatever.
I don’t know that there’s that much to argue with in his “ideology”, though I don’t really think he’s an ideologue. But he does have populist aspects to him and has some classic distributist ways. If he really is an ideological populist/distributist, then I don’t consider myself “bound” to him or anyone else. But I do find those ways attractive. Back when I was a Democrat, that’s how the Dem party was. No few Democrats think the same way he does. But that could be a local thing. Around here, they say “even the Democrats are Republicans”. That’s not really true because even the Republicans aren’t Republicans. All are pretty much populists. The big difference is in their attitude to abortion, Around here, probably 70-80% are seriously prolife. About 85% vote Repub, but not many are “Cruise Repubs”.
Never mind enforcing. How about just asking? The President won’t even do that. He has gone so far as to say that he thinks that some people wear masks just because they don’t like him. What an irresponsible comment to make in the midst of a pandemic! He won’t model the behavior either. Every hear of the “bully pulpit”? Trump has badly misused his. Even something as straightforward as asking for mask compliance is turned to be all about him!LeafByNiggle:
How would that be enforced?
It says nothing against the President encouraging the public’s cooperation. This is most definitely not an issue of subsidiarity.
It is skyrocketing. No alt-right spin is going to change that. Listen to the public health officials. The opening of schools in the fall is now in serious jeopardy now - in large part because of the inept response by this President
No. The increase is due to covid-19 hospitalizations.
That’s no recommendation for your position.LeafByNiggle:
So did I after Fauci proved wrong a couple of times.
In case you didn’t get it, Prince Prospero partied with all his rich friends because he, like you, felt that for him, everything was fine and he could separate himself from the pains of the average people on the outside of his castle. The parallel is your saying that the economy has treated you very well.
It is recommended and encouraged by the CDC. People are free to follow those guidelines or the guidelines of local officials which may decide when it is and isn’t needed for a particular region.
He’s never said he discourages people to wear masks. He does encourage masking and that people follow the guidelines. He’s not going to mandate it though.
It’s spiking in certain regions. That’s hardly alt-right spin. It’s just a fact. The opening of schools in my location is not in jeopardy because of spikes in other places across the country. If we have a spike, my state and school district will make a decision about what to do. When Faucci said to expect that there will be spikes as we open and we will have to reassess that by region as they happen, how is that Trump’s fault?
Partly. We also have an increase because delayed procedures are ramping up after the lockdown. That’s just a fact.
Then why state it as though you were claiming it’s true now? Misleading, to say the least.
But compliance depends on public acceptance. That is very difficult when the President himself downplays the compliance. How much compliance do you see among his supporters, even in places where those recommendations are mandated?
Because Trump has led you to believe that everyone is a hypocrite (except his supporters, of course).
Just look at compliance among Trump supporters and you will see that they most definitely do.
He leaves encouragement up to the states too, and then hobbles those states through his tweets and irresponsible statements.
His denigration of people who who wear them has that effect. Again, just look at the compliance (or lack of it) among his supporters.
More than half the states are seeing huge spikes. It is not just “certain regions” that can be dismissed as inconsequential.
Well, that’s good for you. Not so good for those other places, is it?
The “partly” is actually “mostly”.
There is a huge amount of information on the subject. The laws of states vary. Some places support late term, others less. Some states have all but rid themselves of this scourge while other places have a ways to go.
Americans in general are very independent minded. Even if Trump was masking, most adults would make up their own mind. I mask in most circumstances. I generally don’t base my decisions on what politicians do or don’t do. How much compliance do you see among protesters and Democrat mayors, even in places where those recommendations are mandated?
Trust me. I thought that about politicians in general before Trump ever got into politics.
I’ve seen plenty of non-compliance from the general population from both sides. Mandatory masking nor it’s enforcement is very popular. People assess their own risk and respond accordingly.
States are not hobbled by tweets.
He doesn’t denigrate people who wear them. I wear them and haven’t felt denigrated by him. He may be critical of Dems motivations for wearing them but he hasn’t told the public not to listen to recommendations.
Four states are seeing over half of new daily cases. Yes, other states are spiking but not at high as the top four. Will that change? Maybe. It’s a fluid situation and it will continue to be so. I’m sure it’s not inconsequential where there are spikes. Nobody is saying that. I only brought it up because of the idea of a national mandate being presented and I think region by region is the way to deal with spikes, especially in a country as large as ours. If we have massive spikes in every single state, then we would probably, in effect, have a national mandate as governors respond.
Do you have the data that shows the percent of new hospitalizations related to covid as compared to non-covid reasons? I use the term “partly” for accuracy because I haven’t been able to find any data that would confirm “mostly” or “half” or “less than half.” Please share if you have found it.