Why Catholics Should Vote for Trump article

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0Scarlett_nidiyilii said:
I guess it’s just easier to lump people different than you into a basket called deplorable.
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That is a difficult question to answer. Why do you characterize “The Democrats” as having sneering contempt?

If I were to try to explain, I would focus on statements like this, where you quote a Democrat for the purpose of discrediting “The Democrats.” You lump these people different from you into a group that you speak of contemptuously.

If you really do not see the sneer in your contemptuous language, then you have answered no to my question. Thank you.
 
After the election there were (and continue to be) a slew of articles and opinion pieces about by liberals why people voted for Trump . Some of the responses.

Because they’re Nazis (evil)
Because their husbands instructed them to (weak and stupid)
Because they were bamboozled by somebody dangling pro life rhetoric (stupid)
Because they don’t want a woman president, just like they didn’t want a black president (evil)

But they refuse to even entertain that democrat policies are extreme.

Look, do whatever you want, believe whatever you want, if it’s easier to think Trump voters are simply written off as uncomplicated stupid and evil people, go right ahead.
But at this point, im not addressing you, im addressing the lurkers and bystanders.
 
Dovekin said:
Why do you characterize “The Democrats” as having sneering contempt?
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Because they do. 🙂 “Basket of deplorables,” (Trump voters); “Brown-shirts” (Bernie Sanders voters). Voter-shaming seems to be an addiction of many Democrats in public.
 
Sort of like the alt right calling other socialist. Or baby killers, or whatever comes from the other side.

Name calling comes from all directions, even the top.
 
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Dovekin:
Why do you characterize “The Democrats” as having sneering contempt?
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Because they do. 🙂 “Basket of deplorables,” (Trump voters); “Brown-shirts” (Bernie Sanders voters). Voter-shaming seems to be an addiction of many Democrats in public.
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My question was asked to figure out how one finds a sneer in someone else’s words, not to express any doubt about whether “The Democrats” have sneering contempt.

If “voter shaming” is the standard for a sneer, do you think @0Scarlett_nidiyilii’s notes try to shame “The Democrats”? Are any Republicans also addicted to voter-shaming? Why specify Democrats?
 
You know what?
I’ll bow out now.
I really don’t want the Democrats to win in November, so I think I’ll just keep my mouth shut .
 
This morning on Today, I heard Randi Weingarten, the head of the American Federation of Teachers (public schools) call Pres. Trump a “clown.”

THAT’s sneering.

I think the best way to address those that we disagree with is by saying, “I disagree with Pres. Trump’s policies,” rathre than saying, “The clown in charge of us now…”

I listen to NBC news, not Fox (I don’t have cable), and they are the best of the three networks when it comes to trying to speak impartially. But there are still plenty of times when the voice turns nasal, the eyes roll, and the comments about various Republicans, including Pres. Trump and Vice Pres. Pence, sound like Don Rickles–only not funny like him.

When I listen to news from the other networks (usually because they were on that channel for some prime time show from the night before), I’m shocked at what they say and how they say it.

I always try to address our country’s leaders by their title and their name; e.g., Pres. Obama, First Lady Michelle Obama. I think that conservative talk show hosts like Hannity and Limbaugh deserve a good spanking with Mama’s old wooden spoon and a long time-out in the corner while holding a sign that says, “I will not call names, especially my country’s leaders.” Their name-calling causes me to take everything they say with a good helping of suspicion that maybe THEY are lying, too.

Why can’t journalists simply report the facts without the sarcasm? Yes, I know, Hannity and Limbaugh are not journalists, they are entertainers. I think many of the network journalists are also “entertainers.” No shame in being an entertaine–unless you actually believe you ARE the role that you are playing. Then you are suffering from delusions and should seek some treatment.
 
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Just within the past couple of weeks, Trump has referred to Democrats and Never Trump Republicans as human scum And lowlifes.

Here’s a puppet version of Trump using verbatim quotes in a song.


If it’s wrong to use a name like “clown” then surely these names are wrong. If he can dish it out, then he should be able to take it.
 
Peeps said:
The government already pays for care and medical needs for children who are from poor families.

And they pay for day care (Head Start) for children (I believe this starts at age 2) and public school (all fees for poor children are covered, while kids from families with an adequate income have to pay their own fees).
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Of course. There should be services to help the most poor and vulnerable. But paying for everyone in one particular area would very likely lead to calls for other areas that supposedly need to be covered for various reasons and then we are on the way to gov’t run health care.
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Peeps said:
I think that something like the Finnish system would work–their health care is free and it is very very good, but they are also able to buy into “better plans” if they wish and if they have the income/resources. However, it seems like most regular folks (which I consider myself and my family) would be happy with the “regular health care plan.”
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I think it would be great if we can find a system that allows the government to pay everyone’s medical expenses while at the same time encouraging research and innovation and not crippling people with high taxes that will mean every family will have to be a two-income family and children are mainly in the care of the state from the cradle or even from preschool age on. We have a family crises in our country right now. I know it’s not a popular opinion, but if we didn’t have 71% of our nations mothers in the workforce maybe, just maybe we’d have stronger, more cohesive families and communities.

I don’t want to start a debate about whether women should or should not work outside the home as that’s not what this thread is about. I’m very strongly in favor of mom or dad having the choice to devote all their time to their vocation and policies that protect that choice as opposed to everyone being compelled to be in the workforce due to higher taxes to pay for national programs like healthcare. This also limits the ability for families to choose to home school if they prefer.

Articles like the following one leave me very leery of trying a single-payer system here. It may work in some smaller countries with a smaller GDP but those countries aren’t big medical research and development spots. They and the whole world actually benefits from the US private sector’s medical innovation. We are the world leader. The HIV drugs that were discovered and developed here, eventually trickled down to the poorest countries with greatly reduced costs.

If we lose our edge because the government sets the prices for what they will pay for drugs, procedures, tests, medical care wages etc it means a loss of interest in innovation from the private sector. The poorer countries and even single-payer countries around the world who benefit from the innovation that they can’t afford to invest in as much as our private sector does, will suffer.

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Personally I think the lack of decent, public civil discourse all around is the natural result of a lowering of morals in every area of life and the poor state of public education in our country. I can’t really say one side or the other is better. It’s everywhere in our public life. There’s really no sense in pointing out the fault of one side or the other because it’s bad all around.
 
  • The U.S. spends more on health care as a share of the economy — nearly twice as much as the average OECD country — yet has the lowest life expectancy and highest suicide rates among the 11 nations.
  • The U.S. has the highest chronic disease burden and an obesity rate that is two times higher than the OECD average.
  • Americans had fewer physician visits than peers in most countries, which may be related to a low supply of physicians in the U.S.
  • Americans use some expensive technologies, such as MRIs, and specialized procedures, such as hip replacements, more often than our peers.
  • The U.S. outperforms its peers in terms of preventive measures — it has the one of the highest rates of breast cancer screening among women ages 50 to 69 and the second-highest rate (after the U.K.) of flu vaccinations among people age 65 and older.
  • Compared to peer nations, the U.S. has among the highest number of hospitalizations from preventable causes and the highest rate of avoidable deaths.
 
F_Marturana said:
If it’s wrong to use a name like “clown” then surely these names are wrong. If he can dish it out, then he should be able to take it.
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I think it’s wrong that Pres. Trump calls names, too. Most of our politicians have lost any sense of the importance of “The Golden Rule.” Not surprising considering how religion has been undermined by law over the last 40 years.

Sadly, though, when a polician is polite and gracious, they end up getting targeted and attacked. Our district in Northern Illinois had a wonderful Representative for over 20 years–worked across the table on many good pieces of legislation. His wife was voted by her peers (other Representative’s wives) as “Friendliest.”

Every year he got elected by a landslide. And then Secy of State (Illinois) Michael Madigan decided to redo the district boundaries, and…what a surprise!–our guy lost. Our district was divided into two districts, and a Democrat and a Republican split the district and now serve. They’re OK, but hardly the guy we had. Sad.

I think Speaker Madigan realized that our former Representative was a threat to him. So sad.

So I can kind of understand why Pres. Trump fights bullies by being a bully. He won’t get anywhere being Mr. Rogers around these people.

By the way, I hope you don’t think that Speaker Pelosi, Senator Schumer, and Vice President Biden say only kind things and never call names. Speaker Pelosi can be very nasty in her speech. It’s all so sad and awful.

Perhaps they learned this kind of language in their public schools from teachers like Ms. Weingarten.
 
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I don’t think there is anyone who is going to argue that the US healthcare system and the health of our citizens has problems and that there is room for improvement. I just don’t think a single-payer system is necessarily the the cure-all answer.
 
Actually, Randi is a lawyer by trade (she taught only the bare minimum number of hours called for in the constitution of the United Federation of Teachers for a person to be president).
 
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0Scarlett_nidiyilii said:
You know what?
I’ll bow out now.
I really don’t want the Democrats to win in November, so I think I’ll just keep my mouth shut .
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Noooooooo, Scarlett. If you don’t want the Dems to win in November that’s EXACTLY why you should not keep your mouth shut now. If the Dems win control, you’ll HAVE to keep your mouth shut, possibly with force of law, , so this is possibly you last chance.
 
Peeps said:
I think it’s wrong that Pres. Trump calls names, too.
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Not just “too” he is the master. He established new and unheard of lows. The debates were nothing but personal insults.
 
And yet, it was Hillary who called a large segment of voters a “basket of deplorables.”

Just saying.
 
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