Why Catholics Should Vote for Trump article

[Victoria33]

The federal government would be within it’s bounds to institute rationing and blackout orders during war. It was within it’s bounds to issue the lockdown in order to protect the healthcare system and ramp up medical supply production to flatten the curve and because we didn’t know for sure what we were dealing with. It would have been impossible to mandate masks early on when supply was an issue and at time experts didn’t think they would help.

Right now, a national mandate isn’t necessary. Could it become necessary? Maybe if this evolving situation gets to that level but we aren’t there currently. Local ones may be when severe spikes hit certain areas. The CDC is on the verge of of downgrading Covid from an epidemic.

Countries that were hit before ours have had their share of “pandemic wack-a-mole.” We were warned this would happen and would be dealt with where needed. I’m not against national mandates when it’s within the Federal Government’s jurisdiction like protecting the national supply chain or keeping the healthcare system from collapsing at the onset of a pandemic. I am against them when the Fed. gov’t is overstepping it’s bounds in controlling citizens.

However, as things stand now with the supply chain more secure, stockpiles built up, and some areas doing better than others, I really don’t see the point in a national mandate for masking when 1) the feds can’t enforce it 2) local police departments everywhere don’t have time to do it 3) recommendations for masking are in place and the public is aware they are a good idea 4) it’s not as necessary in rural areas that are spread out and have not seen great infection numbers 5) the use of cloth masks are questionable and highly variable as to what they can prevent. Can anyone say how much protection they offer? 6) American adults are not children and are capable of making their own risk assessment for themselves.

Yes, all of this is very important, the CDC may even downgrade COVID from being an epidemic. And that would seem to mean, it never was a pandemic. That’s for the experts, maybe so.

Now a recent flu season had a total dead of 80,000? So, that’s too many but I don’t see us closing up everything over this and yes, I am aware of the differences.

Some theories are saying more people have died because of the shutdown.

 

[Victoria33]

Mrs Clinton won the popular vote. More Americans voted for HRC than for DJT.

We all know that. Are you saying we should have mob rule? Our system is designed to avoid that.

Listen, if one voted for politicians who support PBA, Partial Birth Abortion and enable it, I think that is much more worse than the things you bring up that always seem to discredit Republicans.

 

[Anrakyr]

Yes, all of this is very important, the CDC may even downgrade COVID from being an epidemic. And that would seem to mean, it never was a pandemic. That’s for the experts, maybe so.

Now a recent flu season had a total dead of 80,000? So, that’s too many but I don’t see us closing up everything over this and yes, I am aware of the differences.

Some theories are saying more people have died because of the shutdown.

Yesterday your country marked 3 million cases. So I’ll take that with a healthy grain of salt.

 

[Dovekin]

Local ones may be when severe spikes hit certain areas. The CDC is on the verge of of downgrading Covid from an epidemic.

The blog you cited is disingenuous, if not outright deceitful, when it makes this claim. It is based on the CDC saying The percentage is currently at the epidemic threshold and ignoring the continuation of the sentence but will likely change as more death certificates are processed, particularly for recent weeks.

There is even a graph showing how the % of deaths from PIC has hovered around the epidemic threshold until it spiked from 8% to 28% in May. “Data for recent weeks are incomplete, and the PIC percentage may increase as more death certificates representing deaths during these weeks are processed.“ IOW, the % is likely to remain above the epidemic threshold when more data is in.

 

[Victoria33]

Yesterday your country marked 3 million cases. So I’ll take that with a healthy grain of salt.

Maybe try some math too, we are a country of 330,000,000. Maybe you can tell us what percentage it is in Your country?

So, that comes out to what? .9% and those are just cases not deaths.

Perhaps, your complaint should be directed to the CDC.

Also, as said, as Americans, we do need to all stand together, however, the cases have been worse, in the two deep blue states of NY and NJ. A lot of patients sent to nursing homes. Somewhere, someone needs to view this in a balanced, objective way. Those are heavily Democratic states.

 

[buffalo]

We have bad food and bad habits to go with it and we are too sedentary. Good food is too expensive if you are poor and that leads to poor health outcomes and increased costs.

Yes …

How about a healthy habits lifestyle insurance discount?

 

[buffalo]

Keep an eye on this especially the % expected deaths column

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

 

[TheLittleLady]

Morality is not based on ones political affiliation. Our Church warns us over and over about the dangers of choosing party over Church moral teaching.

I encourage everyone to take off their party colored glasses, get out of the echo chamber, really dig

 

[Elizabeth3]

Data for recent weeks are incomplete, and the PIC percentage may increase as more death certificates representing deaths during these weeks are processed.

Right. Recent weeks may cause a bit of an uptick but there is hope for upcoming weeks. A rise in cases in the young, which we are seeing, will likely mean less death over the next coming weeks to few months and we will start seeing some light at the end of the tunnel. My point in my post wasn’t whether the CDC would downgrade us in the next week or two from an epidemic. My point is that currently we are hovering over the threshold so we are hardly in such a national crises that we need to have a national masking mandate as some are criticizing Trump for not doing.

 

[Elizabeth3]

How about a healthy habits lifestyle insurance discount?

That’s more difficult for the poor to maintain. My husband’s insurance for our family does charge more if you are a smoker so I think there are policies here and there that do encourage healthier lifestyles. I’d like to see lower prices for healthier foods but then again another problem is that we are all so busy all the time and it takes time to cook fresh food from scratch rather than scarfing down factory made frankenfood.

 

[farronwolf]

Have you looked at case numbers currently in the southern states that are not blue.

Covid doesnt care about political affiliation. Making it about party is just crazy talk.

 

[Ridgerunner]

How about a healthy habits lifestyle insurance discount?

I recall reading that people with unhealthy habits actually cost less because they die earlier and don’t end up debilitated in nursing homes for extended periods of time. Aged people are the big consumers of healthcare dollars, not fat smokers who have heart attacks and die at age 50.

 

[Rubee]

O no, I didn’t think it was you because I was merely adding to what you said about the alt-right. I replied to the post I had earlier replied to, (yours) which is why you got tagged. I’m talking about the person who thought criticising the alt-right was inappropriate and got the mods to remove it. Also wondering why the mods went along.

 

[Victoria33]

So your logic is It’s okay to vote for abortion supporters, . . . Every age has its moral issues it be slavery or whatever.

I think it appears to be hypocritical to always criticize pro-lifers. And then, claim to be
pro-life. . . .

Claim to be pro-life but if one makes pro-choice arguments, effectively supports 12% of the population making up up to a third of all aborted babies in the US, my moral code will not allow just blowing it off as nothing.

This is some nerve, people stood up against the Klan when they were the militia of the Democrats, have things changed? Now, they are solid supporters of abortion, of the organization Planned Parenthood, started by who many term a white supremacist and racist, Margaret Sanger. . . .

I think things like partial birth abortion are a modern day abomination. If Democrats support this, again, I don’t think we should lie down be cowed or bullied into being silent.

 

[farronwolf]

I have yet to figure out the rhyme or reason posts do or dont get flagged and pulled.

 

[VonDerTann]

Trump will win. He won’t need worldly help.

Traditionally, a sitting president is hard to defeat; the polls under-represent Trump’s support; Biden is a terrible candidate.

One way the polls are skewed is this: we often don’t know who is being polled. Biden will win CA & NY by several million votes each. Point is: Trump can lose the popular vote by 5+ million votes and win the election anyway. He did it once already.

 

[Dovekin]

My point is that currently we are hovering over the threshold so we are hardly in such a national crises that we need to have a national masking mandate as some are criticizing Trump for not doing.

My point is that this is not at all justified by the CDC data. It looks like the number is close to the epidemic threshold, but there are repeated cautions against reading it that way.

Data during this period are incomplete because of the lag in time between when the death occurred and when the death certificate is completed, submitted to NCHS and processed for reporting purposes. This delay can range from 1 week to 8 weeks or more, depending on the jurisdiction and cause of death.

A rise in cases in the young, which we are seeing, will likely mean less death over the next coming weeks to few months and we will start seeing some light at the end of the tunnel.

An explosion of cases in the Sunbelt will almost certainly lead to more deaths in the coming weeks.

 

[YADA]

If he did not upon taking office - he would after a couple of SCOTUS appointments …

 

[Shakuhachi]

Traditionally, a sitting president is hard to defeat;

Trump is far from traditional.

 

[Elizabeth3]

My point is that this is not at all justified by the CDC data. It looks like the number is close to the epidemic threshold, but there are repeated cautions against reading it that way.

The current CDC data is only one factor I gave as to why I don’t think a national masking mandate is needed. It appears that as the number of positive cases rise the death rate is not rising as sharply. You keep repeating that the data could tick upwards and no one is arguing or misunderstanding that that is the current possibility with the spikes. We are watching to see if the downward trend continues because of younger demographic infections or whether there is a significant or slight rise. That doesn’t change the fact that I still don’t see, with current data, that we are at the level of needing a masking mandate nationwide.

Do you think we need one? If so, why and do you think anti-maskers or people who live in areas that have low numbers of cases will wear one because of a mandate? How would you suggest this be enforced?

An explosion of cases in the Sunbelt will almost certainly lead to more deaths in the coming weeks.

Well, yes. The death count certainly can’t go down. It has no where else to go but up. The question is how fast the death count rises compared to new positive cases.