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buffalo
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But, they sure have digested revisionist history and how to hate America and for which she stands. BTW, part of the communist plank to takeover America.
farronwolf
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Not certain how to respond. You do realize that generals do what they are asked by the President, and the Chiefs of Staff, Secretary of Defense ect.If all these people are so great, why haven’t they solved any problems?
Take Iraq for example. If the generals had been told go in there and destroy their military so they are no longer a threat to X, they would do it. Look at the first gulf war. Schwartscoff pretty much wiped out the Iraqi army in about 100 days and we were done.
Now if the order is to go in there and change the minds of the people in the country so that they love Americans and people in the west. Well that isn’t really in the military wheelhouse. That isn’t what they are trained to do, but that is what they were asked to do and the reason we are there 20 years later.
As far as the current Presidents close advisors, why they haven’t solved any problems, is because they create more problems, or don’t have the knowledge to solve them.
Take immigration for example. Look at the first few months of Trump’s term, there was a plan in the works, with the support of both partied and the President, until Steven Miller stepped in and got Trump to throw it all away. Where have we gotten since then, nowhere.
farronwolf
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You did here where the choice programs were enacted by the states right.
How does Trump get credit for that.
How does Trump get credit for that.
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1cthlctrth
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Before the Governors started shutting down businesses in response to COVID-19, African-Americans and Hispanics were enjoying their highest median income and lowest unemployment in their American history, partly because of President Trump’s policies.
In addition, President Trump is possibly the most actively pro-life and pro-religious liberty President in American history,
In addition, President Trump is possibly the most actively pro-life and pro-religious liberty President in American history,
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Dovekin
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And how are things going since those days when the President declined to respond to the Covid-19 pandemic?Before the Governors started shutting down businesses in response to COVID-19,
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Naga
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The President must weigh the various relevant factors and respond as he believes best. For example, what appears best to a medical expert may not appear best to an economics expert. The President must take all of these sorts of things into account. Additionally, it is important to remember that the United States was not designed to have a strong centralized power in the way some other countries were: State Governors are the ones responsible for making the tactical decisions in these sorts of situations.And how are things going since those days when the President declined to respond to the Covid-19 pandemic?
As for the way the coronavirus situation is developing in the United States, it is difficult at the present time to get an idea of exactly how “good” or “bad” it is medically-speaking, due to the apparently differing ways of reporting and tabulating data in various locales. Similarly, different countries may report and tabulate data in different ways, complicating the process of comparing the coronavirus situation internationally.
Globally, though, it seems that the majority of the experts agree on a few key facts, namely that the coronavirus is usually only a significant problem for older people and/or people with certain pre-existing conditions. With this knowledge, it is possible for people to take the initiative to protect themselves by isolating themselves for however many more years this situation continues, if they believe it to be prudent.
Economically, the President is ultimately at the mercy of those in control of the money. If Governors choose to forcibly shut down businesses in their states, thus reducing the flow of economic capital and damaging the economy, the President can, at most, be held only remotely accountable for it.
As for my personal belief on the situation:
Based on the evidence available, I believe that medically, the situation isn’t a significant concern for the vast majority of the population. (I am glad when reports such as THIS appear, as they make me even more hopeful that the coronavirus is significantly less deadly than previously thought.) Those who are believed to be vulnerable should take whatever precautions they deem prudent to protect themselves, up to and including totally isolating themselves for however many years the virus remains a concern.
As for the economic downturn, I do not believe the President is responsible to any significant degree. The damage is primarily the result of the response to the virus at the state level, and is an expected result, if not one that could’ve been predicted before the virus appeared. I believe that it will take time to recover, and that with respect to the two individuals most likely to win the Presidency, Trump would handle it better.
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Naga
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What I saw as the ideal solution from an end results standpoint would’ve been a near total shutdown for one month. The only functions that would remain operational would be military, fire, medical, police, and infrastructure-related (i.e. water treatment and distribution, electrical production and distribution, and associated operations). Based on the available information about the virus, by everyone staying at home for one month, this would’ve essentially stopped cold the spread of the virus. Any continuing cases would be largely isolated to family units which could continue to quarantine until resolved.
Two fundamental problems have been identified with this solution.
The one which was immediately apparent is that most people are unprepared to isolate for one month. FEMA recommends that everyone maintain at least a 2 week supply of food and water. Further, the general medical consensus is that people can survive for at least two weeks without food. Thus, by meeting at least the minimum recommendation of FEMA, this plan should be theoretically feasible for the vast majority of people. Unfortunately, most people do not maintain an adequate supply of essentials at home. Thus, it was understood that implementing this plan would result in chaos, resulting primarily from the behavior of those who failed to adequately prepare.
The other problem which has made itself more apparent over time is that culturally and legally (these being primarily products of western Enlightenment philosophy), this country is unwilling and unable to take extreme steps to stop this virus immediately. This culture is largely tolerant of allowing individuals to take risks for themselves, just as it is largely tolerant of allowing individuals to mitigate risks for themselves. Solutions that apparently worked in countries like China will not work here due to the fundamental differences in the philosophies upon which the different countries were founded, and in their respective cultures as influenced by these philosophies.
The conclusion is that, if legitimate cultural diversity is to be maintained and respected, it must be acknowledged that the road to recovery for each country will differ based on the cultures of each country. With respect to facilitating the recovery of the United States specifically, I believe that Trump is objectively the superior of the two likely candidates.
Beyond this, there are other important considerations (which I suspect have already been covered in this thread) that make Trump my preferred of the two likely candidates.
What I saw as the ideal solution from an end results standpoint would’ve been a near total shutdown for one month. The only functions that would remain operational would be military, fire, medical, police, and infrastructure-related (i.e. water treatment and distribution, electrical production and distribution, and associated operations). Based on the available information about the virus, by everyone staying at home for one month, this would’ve essentially stopped cold the spread of the virus. Any continuing cases would be largely isolated to family units which could continue to quarantine until resolved.
Two fundamental problems have been identified with this solution.
The one which was immediately apparent is that most people are unprepared to isolate for one month. FEMA recommends that everyone maintain at least a 2 week supply of food and water. Further, the general medical consensus is that people can survive for at least two weeks without food. Thus, by meeting at least the minimum recommendation of FEMA, this plan should be theoretically feasible for the vast majority of people. Unfortunately, most people do not maintain an adequate supply of essentials at home. Thus, it was understood that implementing this plan would result in chaos, resulting primarily from the behavior of those who failed to adequately prepare.
The other problem which has made itself more apparent over time is that culturally and legally (these being primarily products of western Enlightenment philosophy), this country is unwilling and unable to take extreme steps to stop this virus immediately. This culture is largely tolerant of allowing individuals to take risks for themselves, just as it is largely tolerant of allowing individuals to mitigate risks for themselves. Solutions that apparently worked in countries like China will not work here due to the fundamental differences in the philosophies upon which the different countries were founded, and in their respective cultures as influenced by these philosophies.
The conclusion is that, if legitimate cultural diversity is to be maintained and respected, it must be acknowledged that the road to recovery for each country will differ based on the cultures of each country. With respect to facilitating the recovery of the United States specifically, I believe that Trump is objectively the superior of the two likely candidates.
Beyond this, there are other important considerations (which I suspect have already been covered in this thread) that make Trump my preferred of the two likely candidates.
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Peaceable
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This isn’t true anymore. Younger people are getting hospitalized and dying from this, including those without preexisting conditions.Globally, though, it seems that the majority of the experts agree on a few key facts, namely that the coronavirus is usually only a significant problem for older people and/or people with certain pre-existing conditions
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Peaceable
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The sad part of all of this is that there was another option. Short of this level of shutdown, the kind that already happened in many places had been successful. Next step would have been contact tracing. Unfortunately the recent disregard of masking and gatherings all over the place during our recent holidays spiked the numbers to make this impossible until the test supply ramps up again. We were so close…What I saw as the ideal solution from an end results standpoint would’ve been a near total shutdown for one month. The only functions that would remain operational would be military, fire, medical, police, and infrastructure-related (i.e. water treatment and distribution, electrical production and distribution, and associated operations). Based on the available information about the virus, by everyone staying at home for one month, this would’ve essentially stopped cold the spread of the virus. Any continuing cases would be largely isolated to family units which could continue to quarantine until resolved
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Peaceable
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Disagree completely here. This “Western Enlightenment influenced country” did just fine during multiple world wars. People knew the meaning of sacrifice and pulled together, and didn’t appeal to “individualism” to avoid making common sense decisions that might have been a burden to them— they gave their all for the “war effort”. What happened is this pandemic never was and currently is not framed as a war and thus mobilization didn’t happen adequately. Adequate supply of Masks, shields, supplies, paid corps of contact tracers—where are they? We’re still importing masks from China and sometimes the supply is delayed. Why is this still happening?The other problem which has made itself more apparent over time is that culturally and legally (these being primarily products of western Enlightenment philosophy), this country is unwilling and unable to take extreme steps to stop this virus immediately. This culture is largely tolerant of allowing individuals to take risks for themselves, just as it is largely tolerant of allowing individuals to mitigate risks for themselves. Solutions
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Peeps
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You’re seeing extremely edited reports in the media.This isn’t true anymore. Younger people are getting hospitalized and dying from this, including those without preexisting conditions.
It’s appalling how the media is distorting the truth. The facts remain that the majority of people who are critically-ill or have died from COVID-19 are elderly people (mainly in their 80s or older), people with pre-disposing conditions, especially Type II Diabetes and obesity, African Americans (again, mainly elderly, but also with Type II Diabetes and other pre-disposing conditions), and anyone with a pre-disposing condition which for most people produces a weakened immune system.
I hope that many people have been waked up by the COVID-19 to the need to take better care of themselves as much as is possible depending on their health and circumstances. Type II Diabetes CAN be reversed by weight loss, which coincidentally also reverses obesity. Even if people aren’t overweight, they can eat healthier, and get more exercise to stay fit and strong as much as possible (age, physical circumstances, etc. must be taken into account–e.g., someone with rheumatoid artthritis will have some limitations).
I’ve lost 30 pounds in the last year, and still need to lose more, but I’m doing it the slow, sure way with small adjustments in my food intake, and trying to incorporate healther choices into my food intake (e.g., always ordering the SMALL fries instead the SUPERSIZED fries–it does make a difference, really!).
Also, there ia the need to try to improve our mental, emotional, and SPIRITUAL health, all of which influence our immune systems.
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Dovekin
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Why? Biden was vice president immediately after the most recent economic collapse before this year, And helped to construct the successful recovery. Trump otoh might have done something to add on to that recovery, but at the first difficulty, you say he was at the mercy of the governors and could not do anything. Trump has a history as a businessman of allowing disastrous challenges to send him into bankruptcy. Why do you think “Trump would handle it better”?I believe that it will take time to recover, and that with respect to the two individuals most likely to win the Presidency, Trump would handle it better.
Even if I agreed with most of your analysis, which I do not, I do not see how Trump would be the better choice. What has he done for healthcare? The nation seems to have been unprepared for a pandemic. At least Obama tried to improve healthcare; Trump seems mostly set on undermining it. He does not seem like the type of person who will be able to clean up the devastation inflicted on hospitals and medical professionals when we get past this initial crisis stage.
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Dovekin
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When I asked my question, I was mostly interested in this part of the question.Before the Governors started shutting down businesses in response to COVID-19, African-Americans and Hispanics were enjoying their highest median income and lowest unemployment in their American history, partly because of President Trump’s policies
However much Trump or the economy helped “African-Americans and Hispanics” it was not enough to keep those two groups from being particularly ravaged by Covid-19. Precisely because they are economically disadvantaged, they have a greater number of the conditions that predispose people to worse outcomes from coronavirus infection. Obviously this is a longterm systemic disadvantage that Trump has not caused, but has he done anything about it? My impression is that he has sought to dismantle the only medical program that has tried to address this. Insecurity of healthcare is a major problem for the poorer people in this country, and it is showing up in mortality rates from corona virus. A small increase in employment among African Americans and Hispanics has done little to mitigate vulnerability to this new virus. Reliable, consistent healthcare would do far more to encourage healthier lifestyles needed to stave off deadly consequences.
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F_Marturana
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Even if 75% of those who died were elderly or sick, that means that over 35,000 “healthy” people have died of covid.
Recently I posted the lancet study on heard immunity is achievable only at great risk of overwhelming the healthcare systems.
Recently I posted the lancet study on heard immunity is achievable only at great risk of overwhelming the healthcare systems.
Despite the high impact of COVID-19 in Spain, prevalence estimates remain low and are clearly insufficient to provide herd immunity. This cannot be achieved without accepting the collateral damage of many deaths in the susceptible population and overburdening of health systems. In this situation, social distance measures and efforts to identify and isolate new cases and their contacts are imperative for future epidemic control.
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annem
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From the Catholic standpoint, the only choice on healthcare is Trump. In June, 2020, Biden announced from now on he would be in favor of abortion throughout pregnancy - up until the moment of birth. In fact, that was the position of the majority of the Democratic presidential candidates.Even if I agreed with most of your analysis, which I do not, I do not see how Trump would be the better choice. What has he done for healthcare? The
Trump has proven to be the most pro life president in history. Whereas Democrats support killing a baby minutes from birth, which I would have thought would be utterly unimaginable to anyone with a conscience.
The Biden/Democrats are also currently trying to pass a $66 million dollar bill that would pay for abortions worldwide, overturning the Trump laws. We are talking the mass murder of millions upon millions of babies, to be paid for by the American taxpayer.
Biden and the Democrats have also attacked nuns by trying to force them to pay for abortions and contraceptives. And they have done this again and again, fighting tooth and nail, and filing one lawsuit against nuns after another.
But more, Catholic hospitals are under attack by liberals, and may likely all be forced to close. An onslaught of lawsuits have been filed against Catholic charitable hospitals, trying to force them to perform abortions, or perform various genital or body mutilations in the name of trans justice.
In fact, I would argue it would be impossible for any believing Catholic to vote for Biden.
I would like to hear from you how you can, after reading this, ever vote for a Democrat again. Don’t you care about the mass murder of babies?
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annem
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A vote for Biden will be a vote for fewer hospitals, I am afraid.
Just this week, the ACLU filed a brief against St. Joseph’s hospital in Maryland because a transgender wanted his uterus removed and St. Joseph refused; Catholic doctrine states healthy organs should not be removed. So the transgender went to a secular hospital and had the operation performed, not that that was good enough for the ACLU.
Democrats have proven to be utterly inimicable to Catholic dogma. They refuse to allow us to merely live our lives in peace, and it is now clear there will not be a single Catholic hospital remaining if the Democrats have anything to do with it.
Just this week, the ACLU filed a brief against St. Joseph’s hospital in Maryland because a transgender wanted his uterus removed and St. Joseph refused; Catholic doctrine states healthy organs should not be removed. So the transgender went to a secular hospital and had the operation performed, not that that was good enough for the ACLU.
Democrats have proven to be utterly inimicable to Catholic dogma. They refuse to allow us to merely live our lives in peace, and it is now clear there will not be a single Catholic hospital remaining if the Democrats have anything to do with it.
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VonDerTann
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Biden had nothing to do with the recovery.
Your assessment of trump’s bankruptcies is factually incorrect; chapter 11s are often used to restructure debt and keep companies open and employing people.
I’d also be curious exactly what you think trump should have done as to healthcare. Healthcare decisions are basically made by corporations and perhaps secondarily by states; the federal government has really very little to do with healthcare delivery outside of things like the veterans administration (and that was a disaster long before Trump too office)
Your assessment of trump’s bankruptcies is factually incorrect; chapter 11s are often used to restructure debt and keep companies open and employing people.
I’d also be curious exactly what you think trump should have done as to healthcare. Healthcare decisions are basically made by corporations and perhaps secondarily by states; the federal government has really very little to do with healthcare delivery outside of things like the veterans administration (and that was a disaster long before Trump too office)
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VonDerTann
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“His uterus.”
I’m not attacking your post; Rather I agree with it. My point is merely how insane the world has become that we use that phrase at all.
I’m not attacking your post; Rather I agree with it. My point is merely how insane the world has become that we use that phrase at all.
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annem
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Twenty years ago we lived in an entirely different country. It was far, far, far from perfect, but today I fear we have arrived in a place that is tumbling as fast as it can from God.
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