Why do Christians reject the testimony of Alien Abduction victims?

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Well said. Is it SETI@home that you’re involved with? I’d like to get into that myself but I’m not sure if my ancient laptop is up to the task. In any case, I’m tied up a bit with other stuff at present. However, it’s something I’d like to look into later.

Ed, my gripe isn’t with Unidentified Flying Objects per se, it’s with those who believe credible evidence exists of bug eyed grey guys who spend all the time and effort it would involve to cross interstellar space just to stick probes in parts of human beings where the sun doesn’t shine.
Part of my work as an editor involves a lot of research on obscure subjects. That means in order to write a convincing fiction murder-mystery, the author needs to know enough about police investigative procedure to write something convincing. That means I need to know about police investigative procedure. Some years ago, we did books that involved the mythology of a particular country. In order to do it right, I was assigned to find the best books on myths of that country. I had a week. I had to read them too, along with the writer. I had to understand what I was reading even though it was fictionalized. What I read expanded my knowledge base and expanded my cultural understanding of that country. Books written by and for police officers involved in crime scene investigation are tedious but necessary just like Tom Clancy is popular because he knows what he’s writing about even though it’s fiction.

What does this have to do with UFOs? How to collect evidence, interview witnesses, separate credible from not credible accounts and how to confirm names, dates and places, which often includes researching the activities of other people, companies, etc. The use of experts at trial to provide evidence that something could actually happen as described.

The military and Intelligence Community use similar procedures. Reports to the FBI are graded for credibility. Names and places are usually blacked out but the information is there and depending on its credibility, it is deemed noteworthy and/or worthy of further investigation. Nothing changed regarding UFO reports. Jets were scrambled to get a closer look. Aviation Engineering personnel at Wright Field built wind tunnel models of ‘flying saucers’ to see if they could fly. Reports graded “Confidential,” “Secret,” and “Top Secret” were published. In 1945, Winston Churchill stated that an “Iron Curtain” had descended over the Soviet Union, and there was a real concern that the ‘flying saucers’ were of Russian origin and scouting the United States for an air strike. The CIA knew the Russians would develop an atomic bomb but the exact year was uncertain. So, in 1947, Project Mogul, using high-altitudes balloons, were sent up to detect radiation from a Soviet atomic test. Meanwhile, in the United States and Canada, work began on developing prototype elliptical and saucer-shaped aircraft in 1947.

Let’s look at Contactees for a moment. George Adamski was among the most notable of those who claimed to have met friendly aliens who, by the way, looked just like us. He met his alien contact in 1952, and then published a book with a co-author. The FBI had an interest in him because they were looking for subversive writing disguised under “what my alien contact said.” These “aliens” might give the wrong messages to the public. In fact, a document was published that included the idea that we (Intelligence personnel) should look into the flying saucer phenomenon “for psychological warfare implications.”

Finally, let’s look into the alleged victims of abductions by aliens that usually don’t look like us. But are somewhat humanoid in most cases. First, no investigator has established a method to check for artifacts on the bodies of those abducted: marks, including puncture marks, and scratches from tools or devices. What about people abducted multiple times? No surveillance? No, “I’ll move to a place where I can be watched.”? Unless literal teleportation was claimed or allegedly involved, no checking for unusual fingerprints, footprints or fibers? So, why haven’t qualified investigators jumped in? So far, all I have is the words of psychiatrists and hypnotists.

I have met ‘real’ ghost hunters. Some have very expensive equipment like motion detectors, sensitive microphones and cameras, and other not so common sensors (unless you’re a police detective or work in the intelligence field). What have they produced? Almost nothing. A smear of black going from one wall to the next? And that is what?

So, this is not about Christians. This is certainly not about respect either. What if I told anyone that I was abducted by aliens? What would the finite set of reactions, spoken and unspoken, be? I’m imagining things? I had a nightmare/bad dream? Go to a psychiatrist because that’s just not normal? Implying my mental health is out of whack.

So, Christian or not, these people, if this actually happens, were traumatized but we can’t know how much of it was real. And sometimes, the reports read like these people could have been taken anywhere. Much less a “spaceship.”

Ed
 
Part of my work as an editor involves a lot of research on obscure subjects. That means in order to write a convincing fiction murder-mystery, the author needs to know enough about police investigative procedure to write something convincing. That means I need to know about police investigative procedure. Some years ago, we did books that involved the mythology of a particular country. In order to do it right, I was assigned to find the best books on myths of that country. I had a week. I had to read them too, along with the writer. I had to understand what I was reading even though it was fictionalized. What I read expanded my knowledge base and expanded my cultural understanding of that country. Books written by and for police officers involved in crime scene investigation are tedious but necessary just like Tom Clancy is popular because he knows what he’s writing about even though it’s fiction.

What does this have to do with UFOs? How to collect evidence, interview witnesses, separate credible from not credible accounts and how to confirm names, dates and places, which often includes researching the activities of other people, companies, etc. The use of experts at trial to provide evidence that something could actually happen as described.

The military and Intelligence Community use similar procedures. Reports to the FBI are graded for credibility. Names and places are usually blacked out but the information is there and depending on its credibility, it is deemed noteworthy and/or worthy of further investigation. Nothing changed regarding UFO reports. Jets were scrambled to get a closer look. Aviation Engineering personnel at Wright Field built wind tunnel models of ‘flying saucers’ to see if they could fly. Reports graded “Confidential,” “Secret,” and “Top Secret” were published. In 1945, Winston Churchill stated that an “Iron Curtain” had descended over the Soviet Union, and there was a real concern that the ‘flying saucers’ were of Russian origin and scouting the United States for an air strike. The CIA knew the Russians would develop an atomic bomb but the exact year was uncertain. So, in 1947, Project Mogul, using high-altitudes balloons, were sent up to detect radiation from a Soviet atomic test. Meanwhile, in the United States and Canada, work began on developing prototype elliptical and saucer-shaped aircraft in 1947.

Let’s look at Contactees for a moment. George Adamski was among the most notable of those who claimed to have met friendly aliens who, by the way, looked just like us. He met his alien contact in 1952, and then published a book with a co-author. The FBI had an interest in him because they were looking for subversive writing disguised under “what my alien contact said.” These “aliens” might give the wrong messages to the public. In fact, a document was published that included the idea that we (Intelligence personnel) should look into the flying saucer phenomenon “for psychological warfare implications.”

Finally, let’s look into the alleged victims of abductions by aliens that usually don’t look like us. But are somewhat humanoid in most cases. First, no investigator has established a method to check for artifacts on the bodies of those abducted: marks, including puncture marks, and scratches from tools or devices. What about people abducted multiple times? No surveillance? No, “I’ll move to a place where I can be watched.”? Unless literal teleportation was claimed or allegedly involved, no checking for unusual fingerprints, footprints or fibers? So, why haven’t qualified investigators jumped in? So far, all I have is the words of psychiatrists and hypnotists.

I have met ‘real’ ghost hunters. Some have very expensive equipment like motion detectors, sensitive microphones and cameras, and other not so common sensors (unless you’re a police detective or work in the intelligence field). What have they produced? Almost nothing. A smear of black going from one wall to the next? And that is what?

So, this is not about Christians. This is certainly not about respect either. What if I told anyone that I was abducted by aliens? What would the finite set of reactions, spoken and unspoken, be? I’m imagining things? I had a nightmare/bad dream? Go to a psychiatrist because that’s just not normal? Implying my mental health is out of whack.

So, Christian or not, these people, if this actually happens, were traumatized but we can’t know how much of it was real. And sometimes, the reports read like these people could have been taken anywhere. Much less a “spaceship.”

Ed
I’m telling everybody that believe in UFO’s
 
You have a double standard and that’s fine. Just say you are willing to accept testimonies and about the Resurrection and Divinity of Jesus but you are not willing to accept testimonies about alien abduction. But don’t act like you are the most rational person in the room because the same naturalistic rationalizations you are using are the very same kind of rationalizations used against the faith.

Don’t be a hypocrite calling us stupid.
You know, it’s not that you believe in alien abductions that I find disturbing.

It’s how you place belief in aliens on par with belief in God.

It’s how you give equal value to the stories of self-proclaimed alien abuductees and the testimonies (in words and deeds) of the Apostles, the martyrs, the earliest Christians.

Those are the things I find most disturbing.

And I agree that you might benefit from speaking with a priest about the difference in the value of different testimonies… unless you think belief in aliens is just as important as belief in God. 🤷
 
You know, it’s not that you believe in alien abductions that I find disturbing.

It’s how you place belief in aliens on par with belief in God.

It’s how you give equal value to the stories of self-proclaimed alien abuductees and the testimonies (in words and deeds) of the Apostles, the martyrs, the earliest Christians.

Those are the things I find most disturbing.

And I agree that you might benefit from speaking with a priest about the difference in the value of different testimonies… unless you think belief in aliens is just as important as belief in God. 🤷
You place greater value on testimonies that inform your beliefs or your faith. Correct?
 
You place greater value on testimonies that inform your beliefs or your faith. Correct?
Correct. But ETs preach no words of salvation. They lurk in the darkness abducting people. They bring you no messages. They violate your minds and bodies. Why would anyone pay heed to beings that do such things? I’d stay away and yet you are drawn to them. That I’d find disturbing.
 
Correct. But ETs preach no words of salvation. They lurk in the darkness abducting people. They bring you no messages. They violate your minds and bodies. Why would anyone pay heed to beings that do such things? I’d stay away and yet you are drawn to them. That I’d find disturbing.
Good point. But actually, they do bring a message: “There is no God.” That is reason enough to steer clear of “aliens.”
 
Correct. But ETs preach no words of salvation. They lurk in the darkness abducting people. They bring you no messages. They violate your minds and bodies. Why would anyone pay heed to beings that do such things? I’d stay away and yet you are drawn to them. That I’d find disturbing.
I am no more drawn to aliens than any other kind of unusual phenomenon. Just because i think that there is a strong possibility that Aliens are observing us and abducting people, doesn’t mean i want to sit down and have cake and tea with them. I also believe that demons posses people and we can debate the evidence on that too, but that doesn’t mean I want to have a conversation with the devil.

When Pardre Pio had his stigmata, skeptics came up with all kinds of naturalistic rationalizations to excuse them selves from the obvious reality of what was going on. I’m sorry but i don’t put much stock in this kind of extreme skepticism, a skepticism so extreme that they end up with theories that are more absurd and unreasonable than the claims they are trying to debunk.
 
God is my judge not you. If you cannot see the double standard in your reasoning that’s your problem not mine. Attacking my Character does not make you a reasonable person, and it says more about your prejudices then it does about me.

If you don’t want to believe there are aliens then don’t and you are free to manifest all kind of naturalistic rationalizations to protect yourself. But don’t come on the thread huffing and puffing like you’re better than other people…
God is your judge. We Catholics are also called to judge and discern the behaviour and teachings and musings of others. How else do we sort what’s right and what’s not, in our lives.

It is your fellow Catholics who are called to pull you up on certain thinking and set you back on the right path.

The wrong path is comparing the Passion, Crucifixion and Resurrection of our Lord and Saviour to anything else.

Let alone alien abduction theories.

It is offensive and insulting and sacrilegious to Jesus Christ.

How dare you call not comparing those as a double standard. How dare you insult Jesus so.

I will stand for my prejudice. It is that my Lord Jesus Christ suffered and died in an horrendous torturous manner for the sins of many.

Are you one of the many? If you count yourself as such, allow the Holy Spirit to open your eyes to the suffering of your Saviour to ransom your eternal life.

I am no better then anyone, but that does NOT remove my duty and responsibility to stand and speak for my Saviour.

How about you? How about anyone reading this?
 
You know, it’s not that you believe in alien abductions that I find disturbing.

It’s how you place belief in aliens on par with belief in God.

It’s how you give equal value to the stories of self-proclaimed alien abuductees and the testimonies (in words and deeds) of the Apostles, the martyrs, the earliest Christians.

Those are the things I find most disturbing.

And I agree that you might benefit from speaking with a priest about the difference in the value of different testimonies… unless you think belief in aliens is just as important as belief in God. 🤷
Amen.

It’s utter sacrilege to Our Lord Jesus Christ to make that comparison.
 
God is your judge. We Catholics are also called to judge and discern the behaviour and teachings and musings of others. How else do we sort what’s right and what’s not, in our lives.

It is your fellow Catholics who are called to pull you up on certain thinking and set you back on the right path.

The wrong path is comparing the Passion, Crucifixion and Resurrection of our Lord and Saviour to anything else.

Let alone alien abduction theories.

It is offensive and insulting and sacrilegious to Jesus Christ.

How dare you call not comparing those as a double standard. How dare you insult Jesus so.

I will stand for my prejudice. It is that my Lord Jesus Christ suffered and died in an horrendous torturous manner for the sins of many.

Are you one of the many? If you count yourself as such, allow the Holy Spirit to open your eyes to the suffering of your Saviour to ransom your eternal life.

I am no better then anyone, but that does NOT remove my duty and responsibility to stand and speak for my Saviour.

How about you? How about anyone reading this?
I have said nothing that disrespects Jesus Christ. I merely disagree with the standard by which you judge something to be true or not.

All you are doing is insulting people in the guise of having a superior faith.
 
Amen.

It’s utter sacrilege to Our Lord Jesus Christ to make that comparison.
There is no sacrilege in pointing out that you have a double standard in how you evaluate testimonies and witness’s. Using buzz words like sacrilege has done nothing to convince me that you don’t have a double standard. I don’t even have a problem with you having a double standard.
 
I am no more drawn to aliens than any other kind of unusual phenomenon. .
I used to be very intrigue by these and sci-fi related themes (started from Erich von Daniken) and not so sci-fi phenomena i.e. astral stuff etc. At one time, scientific and technological knowledge seems to have the upper hand for me in understanding the world around me but now no longer holds me in awe. After a while, the curiosity and value from these research wanes as I perceived no lasting value to my moral self although intellectually it gets a boost now and then. I realize that those “hobbies” may even lead me away from God. An ego and smugness settles in when you think you need less God.

I think my feet are much better planted down now. But those research helps in broadening my mind and helps me recognize the danger when others start going into those areas. I share when I can.
 
I used to be very intrigue by these and sci-fi related themes (started from Erich von Daniken) and not so sci-fi phenomena i.e. astral stuff etc. At one time, scientific and technological knowledge seems to have the upper hand for me in understanding the world around me but now no longer holds me in awe. After a while, the curiosity and value from these research wanes as I perceived no lasting value to my moral self although intellectually it gets a boost now and then. I realize that those “hobbies” may even lead me away from God. An ego and smugness settles in when you think you need less God.

I think my feet are much better planted down now. But those research helps in broadening my mind and helps me recognize the danger when others start going into those areas. I share when I can.
I appreciate that. An unhealthy obsession toward anything can be spiritually unhealthy

I could be wrong about alien abduction, i just think the counter claims don’t add up.
 
I have said nothing that disrespects Jesus Christ. I merely disagree with the standard by which you judge something to be true or not.

All you are doing is insulting people in the guise of having a superior faith.
In comparing alien abduction belief to the belief of the Passion of a Christ…

You, my brother, are disrespecting your Saviour.

Now stop it :mad:
 
In comparing alien abduction belief to the belief of the Passion of a Christ…

You, my brother, are disrespecting your Saviour.

Now stop it :mad:
Like i thought, you have no argument.

I didn’t offend Jesus in the slightest.
 
There is no sacrilege in pointing out that you have a double standard in how you evaluate testimonies and witness’s. Using buzz words like sacrilege has done nothing to convince me that you don’t have a double standard. I don’t even have a problem with you having a double standard.
You my brother are extremely misguided.

We do NOT compare and contrast the Passion of a Christ with an alleged alien abduction of one of His creatures.

Now stop it! :mad:
 
Like i thought, you have no argument.

I didn’t offend Jesus in the slightest.
Really? You think Jesus is tickled pink with you comparing His horrendous torture and murder for your sins,

To belief in alien abduction?

Here’s a few more nails to drive into His Cross
 
You my brother are extremely misguided.

We do NOT compare and contrast the Passion of a Christ with an alleged alien abduction of one of His creatures.

Now stop it! :mad:
It is you who is misguided if you think that your attitude in anyway resembles Jesus.
 
Really? You think Jesus is tickled pink with you comparing His horrendous torture and murder for your sins,

To belief in alien abduction?

Here’s a few more nails to drive into His Cross
You are confused. I never said that alien abduction is comparable to the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ in terms of value. I said that you have a double standard when judging the testimonies of witness’s.
 
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