Why is the US Catholic church so obsessed with the gay issue?

[lileli]

How can you be in communion with Rome when you reject core moral teachings of the Church? In fact why would you want to be in Communion with a Church that you consider to be a Church that has gotten so much so wrong over the last 2000 years?

All Churches are of man and they all get some things right and some things wrong. The Catholic Church brought me to God and for that I will always be grateful

 

[pianistclare]

This is a very rude post. I currently am attending a Catholic Episcopal Church but still am in communion with Rome. I also attend Roman Catholic services and I find that the Episcopal parish is much more welcoming and community orientated as compared to the Roman Church I attend. It is this attitude that is killing the faith in many.

What is your definition of a Catholic Episcopal Church in communion with Rome?

 

[Brendan]

I am fully aware of the teaching which is better than other Churches…at least the Catholic Church realizes that orientation isn’t a choice and not a sin. I am talking about both. Yes, in the Catholic world you can be gay as long as you never act on your love for someone. That, in my opinion, is wrong.

What should we tell pedophiles? That too is an orientation that is not sinful if not acted upon.

Would the Church be wrong to tell them not to act on their love for someone?

 

[Faithdancer]

What is your definition of a Catholic Episcopal Church in communion with Rome?

I was wondering the same thing. Then I realized the speaker must mean that he or she is still “in communion with Rome,” not the church being attended.

 

[estesbob]

All Churches are of man and they all get some things right and some things wrong. The Catholic Church brought me to God and for that I will always be grateful

So how do we tell what the Church got wrong? And if the Church gets thing wrong how can I trust that they are right about the Resurrection or the Divinity of Christ.

One of the things I always find interesting is that the things the church supposedly got wrong are always issues pushed by the current culture-like abortion, homosexuality and contraception. What you would have us believe is that it is only our enlightened generation that finally figured out, for example, Scripture had been wrongly interpreted for 2,000 years and that homosexuality is OK. So what makes us so much smarter than all who went before us?

 

[Zoltan_Cobalt]

I believe homosexual human beings are not living sin by living out who they are. That is The truth!

I agree (Surprize!)

But if by “living out who they are” involves disordered sexual behaviors, then they ARE sinning in the eyes of the Catholic Church.

 

[estesbob]

What should we tell pedophiles? That too is an orientation that is not sinful if not acted upon.

Would the Church be wrong to tell them not to act on their love for someone?

I would assume adultery is OK also. After all how can we deny a sexual relationship to two people in love?

 

[lileli]

What should we tell pedophiles? That too is an orientation that is not sinful if not acted upon.

Would the Church be wrong to tell them not to act on their love for someone?

Sigh…a child cannot legally, morally, mentally, emotionally give consent and therefore pedophilia causes great harm to a child. Idk the Church just moved many pedophiles around which seemed to just sanction their horrible actions…

 

[Zoltan_Cobalt]

I am fully aware of the teaching which is better than other Churches…at least the Catholic Church realizes that orientation isn’t a choice and not a sin. I am talking about both. Yes, in the Catholic world you can be gay as long as you never act on your love for someone. That, in my opinion, is wrong.

The Catholic Church does NOT say that sexual orientation is NOT a choice.

“Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained.”

The Church, wisely, leaves that claim open. I, for one. strongly believe that it is a choice. And I will continue to take that stance until there exists some truly objective means of determining whether a person is innately homosexual.

 

[lileli]

So how do we tell what the Church got wrong? And if the Church gets thing wrong how can I trust that they are right about the Resurrection or the Divinity of Christ.

One of the things I always find interesting is that the things the church supposedly got wrong are always issues pushed by the current culture-like abortion, homosexuality and contraception. What you would have us believe is that it is only our enlightened generation that finally figured out, for example, Scripture had been wrongly interpreted for 2,000 years and that homosexuality is OK. So what makes us so much smarter than all who went before us?

When talking about the Christ etc we are speaking on matters purely of faith. In terms of faith, I believe the Catholic Church is rock solid. In terms of human sexuality in which we now have biology, psychology, and sexology informing us of facts, the Church has committed error. Please don’t assume my position on abortion. Abortions harms someone else and therefore is problematic.

 

[lileli]

The Catholic Church does NOT say that sexual orientation is NOT a choice.

“Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained.”

The Church, wisely, leaves that claim open. I, for one. strongly believe that it is a choice. And I will continue to take that stance until there exists some truly objective means of determining whether a person is innately homosexual.

When exactly did you choose to be straight?

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

 

[lileli]

And-- let me guess-- you receive the Eucharist in both because your invented theology (e.g. God “changes his mind”) tells you it’s okay, right?

God doesnt change his “mind”(the personification of the lord is what gets us in trouble) but humans always get his message wrong.

 

[lileli]

And-- let me guess-- you receive the Eucharist in both because your invented theology (e.g. God “changes his mind”) tells you it’s okay, right?

I participate in holy Eucharist when I am in a state of grace which I receive through confession or absolution from a priest.

 

[estesbob]

When talking about the Christ etc we are speaking on matters purely of faith. In terms of faith, I believe the Catholic Church is rock solid. In terms of human sexuality in which we now have biology, psychology, and sexology informing us of facts, the Church has committed error. Please don’t assume my position on abortion. Abortions harms someone else and therefore is problematic.

How has biology, psychology, and sexology informed us the Church was in error? And how do you explain God letting his Church be in error for 2,000 years? Again it would take a god inept beyond belief to allow people to believe something was a sin for 4,000 years that was not. I personally would not worship such a god.

 

[Rau]

And you are back blindly following orders without looking at the whole spectrum of human knowledge.

Read my posts. What human knowledge have I overlooked or ignored?

 

[estesbob]

When exactly did you choose to be straight?

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

I was born a man-I didn’t have any say about it. I , of course, don’t choose my attractions but I have 100% control over whether I act on my attractions.

 

[lax16]

The Church is obsessed with it because many members of our Church are bigots and afraid of those who don’t conform to being “normal”. They take on on the role of God and condemn us, even though we are as natural as sex itself.

They are obsessed because others have made it such a huge topic. Because we are tired of being called bigots and are fighting back. Because we don’t agree that it is normal and have every right to think this way and are tired of being told we are wrong.

Not condemning, just standing up and being heard.

Christians have every right to their opinions.

 

[lileli]

How has biology, psychology, and sexology informed us the Church was in error? And how do you explain God letting his Church be in error for 2,000 years? Again it would take a god inept beyond belief to allow people to believe something was a sin for 4,000 years that was not. I personally would not worship such a god.

God isn’t communicating with us via verizon cellphones. Jesus himself corrected a lot of religious people about their interpretations of the laws why would it be different now? God can let the Church be in error because the Church is run by men.

 

[Rau]

I wasn’t aware that the blind are forbidden from heaven. Homosexuality does not prevent people from living happy normal lives…that would be homophobia and bigotry that prevents homosexual people from living happy normal lives(sometimes).

Those who experience SSA are not forbidden heaven. Those who sin and repent are not forbidden heaven. For the remainder, God decides.

 

[lileli]

They are obsessed because others have made it such a huge topic. Because we are tired of being called bigots and are fighting back. Because we don’t agree that it is normal and have every right to think this way and are tired if being told we are wrong.

Not condemning, just standing up and being heard.

You have the right to believe all of that. However, you are not entitled to your own facts. The American Psychological Association has proven through multiple studies that homosexuality is normal. The study of the animal kingdom proves that homosexuality is present in many animal species.