Why should wives be submissive to husbands?

[ExtraordinaryGrace]

You are lacking charity. Your claim of bullying is a political correctness tool to suppress truth. Baby witch proclaimed that they were searching for Christ. Now they know that what they are currently proclaiming, in the form of an online avatar, a pagan witch. I do not bow to the devil, I will expose him in his insidious scourge to harvest souls. The truth isn’t harmful!

 

[ExtraordinaryGrace]

I suggest you return to Holy Mother Church and embrace grace so that you can identify the smoke of the devil. The pentagram is not a Catholic symbol when you proclaim to be a baby witch.

 

[ExtraordinaryGrace]

I don’t believe in letting people condemn themselves to hell because I’m too scared of what others may think. . . .

 

[Tis_Bearself]

So are you like the frustrated hall monitor of discourse management? Are you the pope of discourse on catholic forum?

You’re right, I am new here. I came to test the waters. They seem tepid and possibly poisoned. I posted a latin prayer and it was “moderated” as you say.

Flagged. Please read the forum rules. You’re posting a lot of inappropriate stuff.

This is a largely self-moderating forum. If you break the forum rules, Lumine, myself or anyone else is entitled to call you out on it or flag you.

 

[ExtraordinaryGrace]

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Icon discourse aside, using deceptive language is not charity. There is no contraction in me addressing witchcraft as pagan worship and being a catholic in good standing. If this person would like to meet Christ then that behavior will have to go. You can believe otherwise but that is not church doctrine, that is your interpretation. Do forum rules seek to circumvent truth? That is not for me to decide. The truth is clearly what we are all here to find and discuss.

 

[ExtraordinaryGrace]

I have comprehensive histories on symbols and their meanings. When paired with a clear identification of being a “witch” that puts it out of context of anything a catholic church would have as its symbolism from centuries ago serving as a witness to once pagan ritual.

 

[DeniseNY]

We have the cross. Jews, who are in error, have the pentagram.

The Star of David is not a pentagram. Pentagram comes from the Greek “pente” meaning five.

The Star of David has six points.

They do not look alike and they do not represent the same things. Calling them the same is a type of calumny, and means you are in error

 

[Sarcelle]

If this person would like to meet Christ then that behavior will have to go.

So you have no hesitations on correcting another but seem to take umbrage at the fact that others dare to correct you?

Also the Jewish Star of David is not a pentagram.

 

[ExtraordinaryGrace]

Did I say the star of david? The seal of solomon, which is the root of the star of david, was used for communication with demons, something Holy Mother Church reserves for exorcism and not communication for knowledge. the pentagram is exhibited from within the 6 points. the pentagram is a five pointed shape within the 6 points. This is meaningful to those of error. As a Catholic I do not support error and neither does Holy Mother Church.

 

[DeniseNY]

We have the cross. Jews, who are in error, have the pentagram.

Here’s what you said.

 

[ExtraordinaryGrace]

The five wounds of Christ have been used with the form of the hand as well as swords piercing the heart. Medieval conceptions took on a new concept with the rise of occultism during the enlightenment.

 

[DeniseNY]

Thanks, I deleted my post referencing it as only a hexagram.

I do agree wholeheartedly that trying to connect the Star of David to the demonic is indeed “ugly territory”.

 

[DeniseNY]

he seal of solomon has morphed into the zionist seal for the state of israel, and is a symbol of jewish worship. which believes in demonic communication for knowledge,

Good grief

 

[Lee3]

Everything that @AdamP88 said was good.
The problem is that the word submission has now become associated in our brains with subordination but it shouldn’t mean this!

On the one one, you have a lot of the western world pushing that men and women are fundamentally the same and trying to reduce notions of femininity and masculinity and trying to make everyone same same.

On the other hand, discussions around “submission” are often US centric, often from an evangelical point of view, and can be twisted and more about ego stroking, sometimes sadly even married dysfunction and abuse etc…

Realistically, there are many Catholics these days, even in traditional countries where gender roles are most pronounced, where the notion of submission doesn’t even come into the marriage, and for those couples who it does, it is very rarely.

To make it bother you less, think of the old saying:
The man is the head
but the woman is the neck
and the neck can turn the head anyway she wants

 

[camoderator]

Thanks. We’ve followed up.

 

[AdamP88]

Yeah I agree. Most of the people on here who argue for a type of “total submission” model of marriage are not married. Everybody’s marriage is different, just as all the saints are different, some are very strong willed and passionate, but some are meek and silent. Catholic doesn’t mean universal for nothing.

 

[WingedHussar]

Does the Church not obey Christ in all things? You also neglect 1 Peter 3:1-6.

 

[Buzzard3]

I don’t agree with several verses in the Bible. I don’t feel as a woman that I should be submissive to a man. I also don’t think that a man should be the head of the household. I want to be equal to my husband. Maybe I’m not understanding these passages correctly. Women are equal to men in my opinion, I couldn’t believe in a god who thought otherwise

I don’t trust feminism one little bit - a better example of “a wolf in sheep’s clothing” could not be found. It’s no coincidence that the Catholic Church infallibly declared that women will never be ordained as priests - clearly, the Holy Spirit is not a feminist.

Feminism is opposed to the natural order that God created between men and women - I dread to think of the number of divorces it has caused. My best friend’s marriage ended in divorce due to his brainwashed wife feeling the very same feminist sentiments that you have expressed.

Feminism has its origins in the occult. I ventured into a feminist bookshop a few years ago and found it full to the brim with literature on witchcraft, goddess worship and other forms of paganism and occultism. Modern feminism has its roots in the occult but rides on the back of Marxism (the great false god of equality).

.I know a woman who was a devout Catholic … until feminism injected her with its poison - now she’s a moon-worshipping “witch” who hates the Bible and the Church.

The devil loves “equality” - many folks are hypnotised by that word and all sorts of evil can be perpetrated under its banner (eg, communism, same-sex marriage, feminism).

Don’t say no one warned you. God bless.

 

[LucyT25]

So I’m not a pagan, witch or moon worshiper lol. I wouldn’t consider myself a feminist. I’m just trying to find God. I’ve fallen away from the Catholic religion for many reasons and this is one. I thought maybe I could understand these verses better with help from other Catholics.

I feel I should be equal to my husband. I’m better at some things, I contribute to the household equally. I’ve been the breadwinner at times. I take care of the kids. My husband is a spender , so I take care of the finances. If I gave my husband full authority I would be broke. If he was the head and I submitted to him fully i would not own a home or have a savings.

 

[Buzzard3]

So I’m not a pagan, witch or moon worshiper lol. I wouldn’t consider myself a feminist.

Who said you had to a pagan, witch or moon worshipper to be a feminist? Not me.

I’m just trying to find God. I’ve fallen away from the Catholic religion for many reasons and this is one.

Feminism has created many enemies of the Catholic Church - simply for the Church’s refusal to ordain women as priests. Choose a side.

Feminism has created many enemies of the Bible and Christianity, simply due Paul’s instruction that the man be the head of his family. Choose a side.

If you choose feminism, you have chosen then side of darkness and destruction.

What does feminism promise women? Equality and empowerment. What did the devil offer Eve in the Garden? The same thing - equality and empowerment - “you will be like God”. Instead of getting equality and empowerment, Eve got death. Feminism is the same deception that Eve fell for, except the deception is on a global scale this time.

Noticed that every nation that has embraced feminism now has negative birth rates and aging populations - ie, more people are dying than being born. Hardly surprising, since feminism is anti-motherhood, anti-family and anti-life … and rabidly, militantly pro-abortion.

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