Why the negativity?

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Some folks see a glass half empty,
I see a glass half full.
Actually more than half full.
 
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That’s a morally repulsive thing to say. It highlights what I’m saying which is that some Catholics have abandoned common sense and can not longer distinguish between suffering for a greater good and suffering for the sake of sufffering. There’s nothing inherently good about suffering for the sake of it, we have free will and when that is used for evil then that is not Gods intention.
 
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Negative subjects always get more attention because there is much, much more conversation involved in picking things apart and destructively analyzing them.

People who are on positive subjects speak less, not because they have less to say but because it takes less for them to say it.
 
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Truth be told, the average person passes gas 14 times a day totaling an average of a liter of gas. It is the same for men and women. So you are doing it too. No need to be so judgemental! 🤣
 
We are a fallen people so there will always be suffering there will always be sin how we as humans deal with it is another story. The parable of the Good Samaritan tells us that they were different people on the road that passed this person that was beaten up but yet the Samaritan stopped cleaned his wounds brought him to the nearest town got him help and payed his lodging. So there will always be evil on the earth but good will always triumph over it.
 
Sorry, but give or take one or two, you do, and don’t realize it. Most of them don’t make noise or smell. It’s a fact, look it up.
 
Hereiam said:
Jesus would still make sense, despite the fall…the incarnation would have happened with or without the fall!
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I am curious. My knee jerk thought is that there would have been no reason for a savior if we didn’t need saved, and what we needed saved from is sin…soooooo…

Could you explain why the Savior would have come if there was no Fall and we were still walking in the cool of the evening with God?
 
Shakuhachi said:
“Jesus would still make sense, despite the fall…the incarnation would have happened with or without the fall!”

Absolutely! He is the fullness of life. We must still follow him through death into new life. But all that is another issue.
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There was no death before the fall.
 
florin1 said:
And people followed God’s will and multiplied for centuries, to experience bloody wars and always reduce our number again and again. So this is not a solution either.
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Old Testament. War is a result of sin embraced by the people of God. They turn from God, he allows their enemies to run roughshod over them.

Fatima was the same sort of warning.

They weren’t following God’s will.
 
we do have free will, free to choose wrong are right no in the middle!
 
Teek said:
Could you explain why the Savior would have come if there was no Fall and we were still walking in the cool of the evening with God?
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this thinking has been around awhile. My mother who is Greek Orthodox told me they considered this in her theology classes in Greece in the 40’s.

It goes like this: The Father’s plan was to send His Son. If we had not sinned it would have been to come as a Beloved Father to beloved children, The familial love unwounded would have grown such that that we would yearn for His real presence with us on earth. Because we would be perfectly obedient children God could not deny us .Then all His children would enjoy His real presence always whether they were in heaven or on earth. But since we sinned He had to come as a sacrifice to save us and show us the kind of love that would have been given and received without the obstruction of sin.
 
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Teek said:
Could you explain why the Savior would have come if there was no Fall and we were still walking in the cool of the evening with God?
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The answer lies in why he came. To say he came to redeem us is only part of it. He came out of love for us. That same love would have been present whether we were sinful or righteous.

Recall that God the Father and God the Holy Spirit are pure spirit, and only God the Son would take on the dual nature of humanity and divinity with the incarnation.

To walk with man as man was the quintessential act of love. Through the humility of becoming like us, God could show unquestionable love for his creation that was made in His image and likeness, whether those creatures were in need of redemption or not.

He came and would have came because of this love for us, with or without the fall.
 
In the 1960’s this issue came to the forefront, with predictions of explosive population growth and only geometric growth of food, with the projections that we would all starve to death.

What actually occurred was a phenomenal rate of growth of food production. In Asia, Africa and South America, we are still seeing large growth of the population; but in Europe, Some Eastern countries, and the US & Canada, population growth is about at stasis, or in some instances, below stasis.

And nature has a tendency to self correct; there have been a rise in esoteric and deadly diseases, and war is never all that far away. Both can have results beyond the imagination as both can spread explosively.

We have not run out of room; and the problems with people who do not have adequate food is not lack of availability, but rather, lack of getting the food to those who need it the most. and that is largely due to corrupt governments.
 
And then there are the engineers, who see the glass as twice as big as it needs to be.
 
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