Why the negativity?

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not in the USA; maybe in canada

i address judges as " your honor" or “sir or madam” or just “judge”

that would be the day i use “your worship” to address a common civil servant. which is more or less what a judge is
 
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Benadam said:
The familial love unwounded would have grown such that that we would yearn for His real presence with us on earth. Because we would be perfectly obedient children God could not deny us .Then all His children would enjoy His real presence always whether they were in heaven or on earth.
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Death entered the world through the Fall.

If this were true, why would God have left? He was already wth them in the Garden.
 
Hereiam said:
He came and would have came because of this love for us, with or without the fall.
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There was a Fall. And so He came.
Jesus the Savior makes no sense whatsoever without the fall.

I don’t know what Jesus would have come as or why if there was no fall, but it would not be Jesus the Savior. He would not have been crucified.

I find that theory to be astounding. I don’t agree with it in the littlest bit. I feel the same way about that as I do about bubble universes based on each choice we make having a whole new universe based on that one detail and how different things would be. So what? It isn’t what happened, here, in this reality.

And I feel that God is omniscient and omnipotent, and so it went according to His will. Not an arbitrary “anything at all could have happened.”

He could have done it any way He wanted. This was His will do this way, so it is the only reality that has meaning for us, other than to come to know better who He is by coming to recognize what He is NOT.

I had someone once tell me that if they didn’t crucify Jesus, they would have hung Him. Or He would have been decapitated. God would have had back up plans no matter what so that He would have still been killed. If Judas hadn’t betrayed Him, someone else would have.

But He was betrayed by Judas, and He was crucified.

I feel the same about this.

But because Adam and Eve fell, Jesus the Savior now has meaning. He wouldn’t without the Fall. Everything we know would be entirely different. Because it isn’t, understanding the Fall is vastly important for us to understand our relationship to God.
 
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Benadam:
The familial love unwounded would have grown such that that we would yearn for His real presence with us on earth. Because we would be perfectly obedient children God could not deny us .Then all His children would enjoy His real presence always whether they were in heaven or on earth.
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Death entered the world through the Fall.

If this were true, why would God have left? He was already wth them in the Garden.
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I couldn’t defend this theory, For one there is no attempt to characterizing man in a state of original justice. And it does present a kind of hollow empty incarnation of God
 
stupidisasstupiddoes said:
Carl Jung said “Modern people don’t see god because they don’t look low enough” and I think there’s something in that worth reflecting upon.
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Jung was an devote occultist and totally rejected Christianity as do many who follow in his footsteps.
 
It’s not a question that originates in the 1960’s!! Malthus wrote about it in 1798, but it doesn’t follw that just because he was wrong then that his logic will never be right.
 
The problem is that sin is everywhere. While average quality of life and opportunity are on the rise, so are abortions and drug use. It can be easy to get pessimistic.

Having said that, I agree that the negativity on this forum is a problem. I see a lot of people act as though everybody but them is going to burn in Hell, and 100% of them are cavalier about it. It makes me sick! Worse yet these people drive others away from the church with their views; I’ll bet there is at least one person who refuses to worship God because they heard some nutter say “unbaptized babies go to Hell” or “if you steal five pennies you deserve to go to Hell”, and that something to be ashamed of.

Even people who go that far still act coldly on this forum. They’ll see someone struggling with faith or with life difficulties and instead of having empathy they’ll say “You’re wrong, I’m right” in the snarkiest way they can think of. That doesn’t help anyone.

We need to be less cruel to each other.
 
Well, interestingly, as countries become more and more industrialized and secularization takes more hold over the populace, the birth rate appears to slack off. And between diseases, natural disasters, and war, there is a natural trimming back of the population. I have not seen statistics for some time of the estimated number of abortions in, say, Russia and China. Both seek to spread their political and economic influence through the third world countries; and both seem to be vociferous in their approach to abortion and contraception, not to mention Europe and the secularists in the US.
 
Yes there’s an underlying logic to the phenomenon you have identified. In simple terms it goes like this:
  • rich countries have high wages
  • high wages come from high productivity
  • high productivity comes from education
  • education is expensive
    Since most parents want their children to have an equal or better lifestyle than them, most people would rather have 1 or 2 children that they can financially support through a high quality education than more that they couldn’t.
Hence why you’ll struggle to find a developed country with a birthrate over 2.1.
 
stupidisasstupiddoes said:
Ad hominem is a logical fallacy.
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Not really, it is what it is. . Carl Jung is an occult psychologist. There is no attack on anyone, and certainly not you.

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So do you disagree with the quote i used or just the person who said it? By the way, what do you think it means?
 
I don’t feel that the forum reflects all Catholics but those who have questions, concerns about certain aspects of their lives. Some of which they may not feel comfortable asking the question face to face with someone they know.

Many come here to ask what may be trivial questions to you but may be overwhelming for the OP. Like your own question on negativity as an OP, this must be bothering you enough to write and ask others their opinion too.

I don’t think that life in general for the average Joe in the past was peaceful. There has been peace times, but there has always been conflict some where for some one.
 
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florin1 said:
sorry to say this, but the OP is right. He didn’t come up with a Catholic Jung, he came up with something he said, relevant in the context.
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Sadly you have misread my wording florin1. I only stated that Jung was strongly opposed to Christianity. Whilst as you say that Jungs quote was in context to the thread, it is important for those reading the thread to be aware that Jung was deeply opposed Christianity.
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Jung, Newton and many other scientists looked at God, in different moment of their lives, not from a religious perspective, but more spiritual. Which is hard to understand and accept by most people following rites and strict norms of a specific Church.

I myself would not fit within the definition of a Christian in any Christian Church.
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Catholics are very a Spiritual people, We assemble together to worship as God has given us clear instruction to gather together, Religion is what binds us together as one Christian Community.

Christianity is a religion. It always has been.

Pax Christi
THT
 
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BornInMarch said:
I see a lot of people act as though everybody but them is going to burn in Hell, and 100% of them are cavalier about it.
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I believe most people will end up in Hell. I don’t see any reason why this should be considered a repugnant belief. The atheist should allegedly not care, the members of other religions should think I myself am doomed to some punishment, and other Christians should either agree with me, or even if they disagree, understand the difference between fearing Hell is the end for some and wishing Hell to be that end.
 
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You will find many people opposed to Christianity has said some profoundly true things within their area of expertise. For example, when an athiest acknowledges that it may be / is impossible to have a foundation for morality without God, that is more powerful than when a Christian claims it.
 
My apology for barging in. I don’t follow the context of the conversation, but I personally believe everybody does have a chance to go to heaven considering God’s mercy and forgiveness. Besides, we do not know what is in the person’s heart, which is between him and God. And God looks into the hearts.

It would be quite uncharitable to say that people will go to hell except to state the truth that indeed there are heaven and hell; and that these places/states are for people who are either saved or died with mortal sin accordingly.
 
I mentioned this on another thread. Ultimately i think attitudes boil down to those who believe about ~5% of makind will be saved and those of us who believe in a much bigger proportion. I came up with ~5% because i am reasonable well versed in a few topics that explain personality, culture and psychology. About that proportion of the population could follow Catholic teaching to the letter with minimal effort by fluke of the personality they were born with.

There’s nothing either group can say to each other that will prove the case. But the bible ceases to make sense at the very highest level to me if you believe that Christ conquered death through an incredible act of selflessness all for the benefit of a handful of people he could have just done a Noah with if he wished.
 
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