Why we are left alone with Devils?

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How does that really help you?
One has the reality of baptism - in a living way - true life in Christ - the state of grace,one is a Temple of the Holy Spirit…

… the Sacraments, the life of prayer, the help of ones Guardian Angels, Our Lady and the Saints, the prayer and blessing of the Church, Blessed Sacramentals used with faith etc etc.

As John puts it in Sacred Scripture…greater is He who is in us!
 
First, we are talking about Demons. Second, do you believe that they could **tempt **(something that we think we wish but it is what they manipulate) us? If yes, this means that they have access to our mind?
STT read Peter. Great advice here.

8Be sober-minded and alert. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour. 9Resist him, standing firm in your faith and in the knowledge that your brothers throughout the world are undergoing the same kinds of suffering. 10And after you have suffered for a little while, the God of all grace, who has called you to His eternal glory in Christ, will Himself restore you, secure you, strengthen you, and establish you.…
. 11To Him be the power forever and ever. Amen

Jesus was tempted in the desert by satan. Three times satan tried to get Jesus to fall and sin. Jesus responded each time with the Word of God.
If satan could read minds, then he would have be successful in the desert with these temptatations and prevented the validation of his own butt kicking down to hell for eternity.
Jesus defeated satan through His Passion, Crucifixion and Resurrection.

If satan has you convinced he can read minds…he is lying. As usual.

STT stop being a victim to the devil. You have a choice. No one promised it would be easy though.
 
STT read Peter. Great advice here.

8Be sober-minded and alert. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour. 9Resist him, standing firm in your faith and in the knowledge that your brothers throughout the world are undergoing the same kinds of suffering. 10And after you have suffered for a little while, the God of all grace, who has called you to His eternal glory in Christ, will Himself restore you, secure you, strengthen you, and establish you.…
. 11To Him be the power forever and ever. Amen

Jesus was tempted in the desert by satan. Three times satan tried to get Jesus to fall and sin. Jesus responded each time with the Word of God.
If satan could read minds, then he would have be successful in the desert with these temptatations and prevented the validation of his own butt kicking down to hell for eternity.
Jesus defeated satan through His Passion, Crucifixion and Resurrection.

If satan has you convinced he can read minds…he is lying. As usual.
And what is the purpose for all these?
 
What is the merit of suffering : God brings us to greater holiness through suffering. Saint Ignatius of Loyola says : “When God sends us some great trouble, it is a sign that He designs great things for us, to raise us to great holiness”.
Saint Ignatius found he way to God through suffering also St. Francis of Assisi

And what does St.Paul say about suffering:
“I am filled with comfort; I overflow with joy in all our troubles” (2 Cor. 7:4). “For I reckon that the sufferings of the present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory to come that will be revealed in us”

Some people will never be able to accept that passage from St Paul

In our liberal world - this is very hard to see.

We are not with God yet and there will be no suffering in heaven

And as for temptation - you can say no - and if you can’t then pray for the strength and grace to say no. Come back to the church if you are not going, repent and confess your sins - come back to God and God will give you the grace and strength to fight temptation. Ultimately we decide which path to follow and we must take responsibility for that.

If you feel a demon is tempting you do what it does not want you to do - Pray to God and they all hate the Virgin Mary - a Hail Mary can go a long way in a time of temptation…

We are not alone - the Holy Spirit is with us always ready to help us if we seek help.
 
I am curious. I never heard of a rational, skeptical atheist be bothered by the devil or a demon. Did some exorcist ever find an atheist being “possessed” by some demon? And if so, how did this possession manifest itself? Looks like the best “defense” against demons is the lack of belief. 🙂
I’m not going to make any statements of who or who cannot be possessed or deceived. From my understanding, all of humanity is beset by temptations to do evil and to become evil, and this basic reality is expressed differently in different faith traditions.

How your mind conceptualizes this basic reality depends upon your culture, faith tradition, and how you were socialized into both as a child. For example, I’ve heard, that if you believe in zombies and people placing evil curses or spells upon you, and that is part of your faith tradition and a deeply held belief, then those curses and spells are real and can harm you. From a psychological perspective that makes sense. If you believe a thing is real, and you are really afraid of it, you can be harmed regardless of how real it is outside of your own imagination.

However, if you think Voudoun curses are imaginary and zombies are myths, then evil spells, curses and entities from this faith tradition will not be able to harm you, in this theory.

Problem is, belief is not a matter of will. I don’t hold that we can just choose to believe something that we do not find credible. We believe things because we have evidence. That credible evidence can be things that we were taught as children by our faith tradition and by people who seem to have no reason to lie to us.

So, I can’t be harmed by monsters from another faith tradition, because I am unable to perceive them as real. I can be harmed by the evil entities that I do believe are real.

In that sense, lack of belief is a defense, but a person cannot just choose to not believe or to believe.

And of course, in the Christian tradition, there is an evil one and evil beings who are in enmity with God and seek our individual destruction. These beings are real and exist outside of our own minds. I can’t not believe that on some level, because I was pretty well brainwashed into Catholicism from infancy by my devout family and community! Fortunately, my beautiful, ancient faith contains many comforts and defenses against the forces of evil as well.
 
So they could see us but they could could not hear us?
Well of course they can hear us, just like I can hear you, but I don’t know exactly what you are thinking.The Demons do not know exactly either, but that doesn’t matter all they need to know is what kind of person you are.
 
First, we are talking about Demons. Second, do you believe that they could **tempt **(something that we think we wish but it is what they manipulate) us? If yes, this means that they have access to our mind?
No, I know what my husband likes and what he does not like. I by knowing that I can tempt him everytime I want.

I know my best friends flaw is shopping, if I want someone to go and I ask her, even if she shouldn;t go she usually would give in to my temptation to go.

You can temp anyone once you know their flaws, vices, and not have access to read their mind.
 
I’m not going to make any statements of who or who cannot be possessed or deceived. From my understanding, all of humanity is beset by temptations to do evil and to become evil, and this basic reality is expressed differently in different faith traditions.

How your mind conceptualizes this basic reality depends upon your culture, faith tradition, and how you were socialized into both as a child. For example, I’ve heard, that if you believe in zombies and people placing evil curses or spells upon you, and that is part of your faith tradition and a deeply held belief, then those curses and spells are real and can harm you. From a psychological perspective that makes sense. If you believe a thing is real, and you are really afraid of it, you can be harmed regardless of how real it is outside of your own imagination.

However, if you think Voudoun curses are imaginary and zombies are myths, then evil spells, curses and entities from this faith tradition will not be able to harm you, in this theory.

Problem is, belief is not a matter of will. I don’t hold that we can just choose to believe something that we do not find credible. We believe things because we have evidence. That credible evidence can be things that we were taught as children by our faith tradition and by people who seem to have no reason to lie to us.

So, I can’t be harmed by monsters from another faith tradition, because I am unable to perceive them as real. I can be harmed by the evil entities that I do believe are real.

In that sense, lack of belief is a defense, but a person cannot just choose to not believe or to believe.

And of course, in the Christian tradition, there is an evil one and evil beings who are in enmity with God and seek our individual destruction. These beings are real and exist outside of our own minds. I can’t not believe that on some level, because I was pretty well brainwashed into Catholicism from infancy by my devout family and community! Fortunately, my beautiful, ancient faith contains many comforts and defenses against the forces of evil as well.
That is a pretty good - nay, excellent - summary. 🙂 I especially liked your honesty about being brainwashed into your belief system. I was, too, though it was rather mild. But I was lucky, since my very strong antipathy toward authority helped me to overcome the original indoctrination.
 
What is the purpose of setting Demons free, living us in state of suffering, etc?
Everything will make sense to you in the next life.

New Living Translation :

Now we see things imperfectly, like puzzling reflections in a mirror, but then we will see everything with perfect clarity. All that I know now is partial and incomplete, but then I will know everything completely, just as God now knows me completely.

1 Corinthians 13:12
 
No, I know what my husband likes and what he does not like. I by knowing that I can tempt him everytime I want.

I know my best friends flaw is shopping, if I want someone to go and I ask her, even if she shouldn;t go she usually would give in to my temptation to go.

You can temp anyone once you know their flaws, vices, and not have access to read their mind.
Well, you talk with your husband or your friends if you want to tempt them. Demons don’t talk instead directly manipulate your mind.
 
Well, you talk with your husband or your friends if you want to tempt them. Demons don’t talk instead directly manipulate your mind.
But they can’t force you to do anything against your will.
 
But they can’t force you to do anything against your will.
Yes, that is true. But what is the point of having the will if we cannot recognize that our thoughts and wishes are really ours. Demons can make you wish you something, tempt you such that you cannot recognize that the wish is yours, therefore they can manipulate your thoughts also.
 
Yes, that is true. But what is the point of having the will if we cannot recognize that our thoughts and wishes are really ours. Demons can make you wish you something, tempt you such that you cannot recognize that the wish is yours, therefore they can manipulate your thoughts also.
Only a person who makes no distinction between their imagination and their will would have difficulty determining what his own wishes are.

Your will is your own. If you choose to do something, you did it. Therefore, you should recognize it as your own.
 
What is the purpose of setting Demons free, living us in state of suffering, etc?
I guess in answering, it would be good to know your belief system ? Your religion , or not.

I can answer from the Truth and teaching of Jesus Christ, and God.
However , to have an answer you might understand, dictates where I would start.
 
Yes, that is true. But what is the point of having the will if we cannot recognize that our thoughts and wishes are really ours. Demons can make you wish you something, tempt you such that you cannot recognize that the wish is yours, therefore they can manipulate your thoughts also.
Well then God couldn’t hold you responsible for anything if you didnt know what you were doing, and the Demons would be wasting their time.
 
When God gives Angel’s and Humans Free Will, he surrenders some of His control. He cannot destroy all who do evil and continue to have us have free will, because then it is no longer Free Will. However, he will ALWAYS give us the strength and grace needed to come to Him, we only have to ask, and use the opportunities he gives us. 🙂
 
Only a person who makes no distinction between their imagination and their will would have difficulty determining what his own wishes are.

Your will is your own. If you choose to do something, you did it. Therefore, you should recognize it as your own.
Yes, but my thought is not my thought so what I do is what Demons like.
 
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