Why would a Roman Catholic become Orthodox?

[Joab_Anias]

How is Clown Mass traditional?

There is no such things as a clown Mass.

What your seeing is special celebrations for Children. They aren’t part of the Liturgy.

The Church is a community, some in that community are children, teens, and all different nationalities with their own customs. Should we not consider their cultures? Sheesh!

 

[anthony022071]

But does it NOT say in The Bible to hold fast to the traditions that you were taught by word or mouth?

How is this tradional? Do you believe the apostoles would aprove this?

The traditions that Paul referred to were not the medieval traditions of the Catholic and Orthodox churches.

A children’s mass is not traditional,but there is nothing wrong with it,unless it degenerates into a clown mass. The apostles would be hard put to disapprove of a children’s mass,since Jesus told them to let the children come to him.

 

[Joab_Anias]

Does that mean you dont believe that the Eastern Churches such as Constantinople ,Russia,Antioch or Jerusalem are true churches?,and have the right to proclaim themselves as True Churches and for all the Shepherds of these Churches to feed their flock and lead them to salvation.?

Not the ones who aren’t Catholic no. Only the Catholic Church is the true Church. The rest are believers sure but they have all fallen away in some form or another.

There is never a permission to schism or teach heresy. Its done from obstinate pride or through the trickery of the devil.

The Marks of the Church

 

[Joab_Anias]

The traditions that Paul referred to were not the medieval traditions of the Catholic and Orthodox churches.

A children’s mass is not traditional,but there is nothing wrong with it,unless it degenerates into a clown mass. The apostles would be hard put to disapprove of a children’s mass,since Jesus told them to let the children come to him.

Amen.

 

[Stathios]

Because the Catholic Church is far more widespread and populous than the Orthodox Church;and because the Catholic Church is not wedded to a traditional culture like the Orthodox Churches are,with their Greek and Byzantine heritage;and because Western culture is generally more secularized and irreverrant than Eastern culture.

Yes and you know why The Orthodox Church is not as far vast as The RC? It is Not so easy to grow when your Muslim rulers won’t allow you to evangelize or even ring a Church Bell.
Another reason why The Roman Catholics tortured and forced The Indians in Latin America to become Christians. We did not torture The Slavs we gave them a choice. Another reason is Communism. There was 3,000 clergy men before the communist era in Russia afterwards there was next to none standing after the wall came down. But The Orthodox Church is still there and in the last 20 years we are now growing like crazy. Attendance around the world is growing.

 

[Stathios]

There is no such things as a clown Mass.

What your seeing is special celebrations for Children. They aren’t part of the Liturgy.

The Church is a community, some in that community are children, teens, and all different nationalities with their own customs. Should we not consider their cultures? Sheesh!

Thats what halls are for not The Cathedral!

 

[psalmody]

Not the ones who aren’t Catholic no. Only the Catholic Church is the true Church. The rest are believers sure but they have all fallen away in some form or another.

There is never a permission to schism or teach heresy. Its done from obstinate pride or through the trickery of the devil.

The Marks of the Church

Joab,
Can you tell me how they have fallen away from being an authentic Church in Christ? ,
Do not the churches which are not united to Rome have the Right to exist as a Church and for their Bishops to Oversee each of their own Flock as they have all been doing peacefully since they were created.?

What difference does it make if they are not in communion with the See of Rome.?

What do you see as being the Breach along the line and existance of these eastern ,historical ,ancient Churches and Holy Sees?

Why do you interfere with them and why are you suddenly attacking them and disturbing their peace by out of the blue saying to them that they no longer represent a True Church of Christ.?

What have they done and why do they deserve this kind of thought that they are suddenly no longer true churches of Christ?

 

[wynd]

Please tell me what a “clown” Mass is. I have never heard of such a Mass approved by Rome.

youtube.com/watch?v=NsC4wRPybpA

 

[anthony022071]

Yes and you know why The Orthodox Church is not as far vast as The RC? It is Not so easy to grow when your Muslim rulers won’t allow you to evangelize or even ring a Church Bell.

The Christian evangelists of the early centuries were not so inhibited from evangelizing under the threat
of persecution. That is,in part,how the early Church grew in the first place – through martyrdom.

Another reason why The Roman Catholics tortured and forced The Indians in Latin America to become Christians.

The Catholics who tortured the Indians and forced them to convert did not have the approval of the Rome to do so. papalencyclicals.net/Paul03/p3subli.htm

We did not torture The Slavs we gave them a choice.

The Slavs were not regarded as sub-human like the Indians were. Also,at the time of the conversion of the Slavs,the Eastern church was in communion with and under the ecclesiastical authority of Rome. Saints Methodius and Cyril were loyal to Rome,and Methodius was made Archbishop of Pannonia by the pope. So the conversion of the Slavs was not an accomplishment of the Orthodox Church,since there was no such entity at that time.

 

[cascherman]

wow, joab and anthony, great information.

 

[psalmody]

anthony022071:
Just because the Rome and the other eastern Churches were in communion ,it doesnt mean the Roman Church had Ecclesiastical Authority over the Eastern Churches.

The Eastern Patriarchates have the Right to be independant and self governing,with each Patriarch/Head Bishop not under any other higher Ecclesiastical Authority or Higher Bishop.

Do you members of the Church of Rome think your Head Superior Bishop has the right to interfere and exercise Authority over Other Patriarchs and Holy Sees which are just as Honorable as Rome is?

Please somebody explain why the Head Bishop of Rome has the right to interfere with the affairs of other Holy Sees and to exercise authority over their Head Bishops.

 

[peary]

Any quote by Roman Catholic apologists that is supposed to prove the doctrine of the Papacy is only as convincing as the form of the Church that champions such a quote. Adam

I suppose that includes the bible as well as writings of the early Church Fathers regarding the chair of Peter…

 

[Stathios]

anthony022071:
Pizarro first sent his Priest to convert the indians and when they did not obey he killed them. READ READ READ! Pizarro was one of many Spanish explorers that did this. Cortez was another.
The Roman Catholic Church knew about it. And still nothing was done. Or atleast nothing dramatic.

 

[Stathios]

The apostles prayed with their hands in the air and in joy.

The Holy Spirit isn’t timid or somber.

So you saying they would aprove the clown mass??
The Orthodox Pray with their hands in the air like the apostoles, but we don’t have rediculas parties in front of the alter.

 

[Stathios]

Not the ones who aren’t Catholic no. Only the Catholic Church is the true Church. The rest are believers sure but they have all fallen away in some form or another.

There is never a permission to schism or teach heresy. Its done from obstinate pride or through the trickery of the devil.

The Marks of the Church

No The Orthodox are the real Catholics the Orthodox Catholics are the true Catholics who kept their traditions and faith. Who kept their doctrine and Creed. Yall are imitation Catholics, a spin off from the 44 Bishops. Your Churches looks like Protestant Churches you go inside one of your Churches it looks like I went to a Lutheran Church. Yall lost yalls way this is why so many Catholics went East. And as your clown mass keeps taking place your just going to fill up The Orthodox Church. So by all Means go ahead. Clearly 80% of the Church that Peter and Paul and the rest of the apostoles built was in the East. Think about it no really think about it. Where did Jesus teach and preach???
In what today is Isreal and Lebabnon. The Patriacrch of Jerusalim stayed Orthodox, the first Church. The first ROCK that Peter built was in Antioch NOT Rome. But according to yall it is no longer the true Church. Right.

 

[Stathios]

Amen.

The first Christians were not a liturgical society. With communion and so on?

The Orthodox Liturgy has pretty much stayed the same with little or no changes for 1600 years. Catholics can not say the same.

 

[Joab_Anias]

The first Christians were not a liturgical society. With communion and so on?

The Orthodox Liturgy has pretty much stayed the same with little or no changes for 1600 years. Catholics can not say the same.

What are you talking about that the first Christians had no communion?

Its right in the bible my friend.

To say that the Orthodox hasn’t changed is preposterous.

You were united with us for 1000 years and made every change we jointly made until that growth was intentionally impeded with schism.

Get over it already.

 

[Stathios]

What are you talking about that the first Christians had no communion?

Its right in the bible my friend.

To say that the Orthodox hasn’t changed is preposterous.

You were united with us for 1000 years and made every change we jointly made until that growth was intentionally impeded with schism.

Get over it already.

Dude I don’t think you know your history well. The Orthodox Liturgy has pretty much stayed the same for 1600 years. There was communion even a Catholic Priest/Historian even admitted on ETWN that The writting of Josephus (I hope I spelled that correctly) described the Sunday Worship with breaking of bread and wine. You need to read brother.

 

[Stathios]

What are you talking about that the first Christians had no communion?

Its right in the bible my friend.

To say that the Orthodox hasn’t changed is preposterous.

You were united with us for 1000 years and made every change we jointly made until that growth was intentionally impeded with schism.

Get over it already.

I am sorry you misunderstood my sarcasim. I ment to say as a question? The First Christians had no communion?

 

[Stathios]

What are you talking about that the first Christians had no communion?

Its right in the bible my friend.

To say that the Orthodox hasn’t changed is preposterous.

You were united with us for 1000 years and made every change we jointly made until that growth was intentionally impeded with schism.

Get over it already.

What changes did we make Mr. Smarty pants?