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I think that I will join youā¦are you the methodist or the catholic?
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PJM
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Pope Benedict XVI is the 265th. Pope, in an unbroken and consecutive line of Popes. Names and dates of the other 264 are avaiable.
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rmcmullan
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This is outside the scope of the current sub-threads, but I wanted to add it anyway:
One of my callings is/was Scoutmaster and being the father of five boys, it was not unexpected. I really enjoyed it. Along the way, I would frequently meet other (adult) scouters and the majority of them were from church sponsored scout troops. Many different churches. But it was interesting what a homogeneous group we were when it came to church, family and community. The district commisioner for the county was also a Mormon guy, in the same ward as I and we worked together frequently. He had the same observation too, that he felt that he was really part of both those groups and that they were very similar.
I know scouting is not as big a part of the Catholic church as it for the LDS but in some ways I feel it defines us a similar people. And not just Catholics but for everyone who āwalks humbly before the Lord.ā
One of my callings is/was Scoutmaster and being the father of five boys, it was not unexpected. I really enjoyed it. Along the way, I would frequently meet other (adult) scouters and the majority of them were from church sponsored scout troops. Many different churches. But it was interesting what a homogeneous group we were when it came to church, family and community. The district commisioner for the county was also a Mormon guy, in the same ward as I and we worked together frequently. He had the same observation too, that he felt that he was really part of both those groups and that they were very similar.
I know scouting is not as big a part of the Catholic church as it for the LDS but in some ways I feel it defines us a similar people. And not just Catholics but for everyone who āwalks humbly before the Lord.ā
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If Catholics cannot double as Protestants, but must leave their Protestantism behind: why are Jews allowed to continue observing Jewish religious rites, instead of being required to leave those behind ? No matter how I turn this question around, from angle to angle, I canāt make any sense of why there is this difference. What principle is the basis for the difference ? I canāt see any
Iām not surprised the OP is doubling as a Mormon - it looks as though he has every justification (in practice even though not in principle) for doing so. If there can be RC Jews (in the religious sense - āJudaistā does not quite fit, & sounds pejorative anyway), why can there not be RC Mormons, or RC Anglicans, or RC Anything-else you-care-to-name ?Friend.
You seem to missing THE KEY POINT which is āChurch practiceā vrs. CCurch dogma and doctrine.
Dogma and Doctine cannot change and must be accepted. Practice can and does. Look at what āVatican II didā to the EF Mass. Eastern and Western Orthodox Catholics have different practices, but hold to the same truths.
The CC cannot [not within Her authority] change doctrine and dogma. She can change and permit various practices so long as they do not conflict with D & D:thumbsup:
Your making far to much out of practice, but maybe you know this:shrug:
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Sister_Leocadia
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I have asked my sister about this and she has told me that she does not believe it is possible to be both. She asked the Bishop of her church and apparently he said that Catholicism and Mormonism werenāt compatible. She didnāt elaborate but I would think this would be seen by some of the doctrines which are taught in one but not in the other. Also Catholics do not recognise the Book of Mormon as a book of scripture which I think would be a bone of contention.
I claim no expertise in this. Just passing on what my sister said.
I claim no expertise in this. Just passing on what my sister said.
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MelanieAnne
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Hi Sister,I have asked my sister about this and she has told me that she does not believe it is possible to be both. She asked the Bishop of her church and apparently he said that Catholicism and Mormonism werenāt compatible. She didnāt elaborate but I would think this would be seen by some of the doctrines which are taught in one but not in the other. Also Catholics do not recognise the Book of Mormon as a book of scripture which I think would be a bone of contention.
I claim no expertise in this. Just passing on what my sister said.
The information is correct and it is good of you also to put this thread back on topic as it has wandered off.
No one can be Catholic and Mormon at the same time. For anyone to claim to be both is a claim to, essentially, be neither, for to TRULY be either one of these faiths is to unequivocally reject the other. This is just a fact. They are utterly incompatible in a number of areas.
Having said that, it is not likely that anyone truly IS trying to be both Mormon and Catholic and any claims to that effect are merely provocative.
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MelanieAnne
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I think this whole Catholic/Mormon thing a game being played for provocation. At least I hope so.
I would hate to think that some misguided person would receive the Eucharist while still confirming a testimony of the"truthfulness of the Book of Mormon". To do so would be to court damnation.You canāt reject the Truth by accepting the Book of Mormon, and then receive the Eucharist and not have any impact on your immortal soul.
Yet we have claims from at least one person to serving as a lector, receiving the Eucharist, AND STILL having a testimony of the"truthfulness of the Book of Mormon" and this from someone who clearly has no familiarity with the confessional apart from what has been seen in movies or read in books, pamphlets, online, etc. If this person is truly doing this, they are risking eternal damnation. But of course for anyone to say so is just being ādogmaticā.
It has to be a game. Itās not a good game, but a game nevertheless.
I would hate to think that some misguided person would receive the Eucharist while still confirming a testimony of the"truthfulness of the Book of Mormon". To do so would be to court damnation.You canāt reject the Truth by accepting the Book of Mormon, and then receive the Eucharist and not have any impact on your immortal soul.
Yet we have claims from at least one person to serving as a lector, receiving the Eucharist, AND STILL having a testimony of the"truthfulness of the Book of Mormon" and this from someone who clearly has no familiarity with the confessional apart from what has been seen in movies or read in books, pamphlets, online, etc. If this person is truly doing this, they are risking eternal damnation. But of course for anyone to say so is just being ādogmaticā.
It has to be a game. Itās not a good game, but a game nevertheless.
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rmcmullan
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Hey MelanieAnn, that reminds me of a great joke. With a point:
A man went to heaven and was being shown around by St. Peter. As they went from cloud to cloud they came to various doors which St. Peter would open. One showed a large group rolling on the floor and talking in tongues. āOur Pentecostalsā he saidā¦
Next was a serious ritual. āOur Jewish persuasionā he replied.
Then another ritualistic service. āOur Catholicsā.
At the next cloud, he didnāt open the door but instead put his forefinger to his lips in the hush motion and they both tip toed pastā¦ Once past, the man asked what that was all about !?
āThose are the Baptistsā, he explained. āThey think they are the only oneās hereā.
You can change it around to include however you want. This version was from yuksrus.com/religion_baptist.html.
A man went to heaven and was being shown around by St. Peter. As they went from cloud to cloud they came to various doors which St. Peter would open. One showed a large group rolling on the floor and talking in tongues. āOur Pentecostalsā he saidā¦
Next was a serious ritual. āOur Jewish persuasionā he replied.
Then another ritualistic service. āOur Catholicsā.
At the next cloud, he didnāt open the door but instead put his forefinger to his lips in the hush motion and they both tip toed pastā¦ Once past, the man asked what that was all about !?
āThose are the Baptistsā, he explained. āThey think they are the only oneās hereā.
You can change it around to include however you want. This version was from yuksrus.com/religion_baptist.html.
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twopekinguys
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I havenāt heard that joke in ages. There is some truth to it donāt you think?
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Religio71
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well apparently he would go to Mass, then go to LDS Sacrament Meeting and partake of the sacrament, since their was no Catholic church aroundā¦
Couldnāt even answer how thatās allowable in Catholic teaching.
It seems that his only purpose here is to play up the persecution card. It usually focuses on him, and how everyone is so unCatholic here, and how itās āabusiveā to copy a post and not put comments (then he ran over to MADB and accused a Catholic over there of being me, and saying how I was his abuser) Go tell that to people that are actually abused. He also likes to claim that Catholics are so uncharitable here, and that we should go see how Christian Mormons are when they talk on message boards. A quick look at the threads heās started here shows which side heās really on.
Over on MADB, he is āagainstā Nancy Pelosi and others misrepresenting Catholic teaching by making it seem like you can support abortion and it is okay. This seems very hypocritical, since he has insisted for years that it is okay to mix and match beliefs, partake in the ordinances of another religion (that the Church does not recognize as having valid sacraments, and vice versa), and still be Catholic. VERY telling. Just like how we donāt like Nancy Pelosi and other āCatholicsā misrepresenting the position of Catholicism, making it seem like itās okay to support abortion policies, I also donāt like when āCatholicsā make it seem like itās okay to pick and choose what you believe doctrinally, and that doctrine doesnāt matter, or, why meās hilarious statement-ādogma killsā.
Couldnāt even answer how thatās allowable in Catholic teaching.It seems that his only purpose here is to play up the persecution card. It usually focuses on him, and how everyone is so unCatholic here, and how itās āabusiveā to copy a post and not put comments (then he ran over to MADB and accused a Catholic over there of being me, and saying how I was his abuser)
Go tell that to people that are actually abused. He also likes to claim that Catholics are so uncharitable here, and that we should go see how Christian Mormons are when they talk on message boards. A quick look at the threads heās started here shows which side heās really on.Over on MADB, he is āagainstā Nancy Pelosi and others misrepresenting Catholic teaching by making it seem like you can support abortion and it is okay. This seems very hypocritical, since he has insisted for years that it is okay to mix and match beliefs, partake in the ordinances of another religion (that the Church does not recognize as having valid sacraments, and vice versa), and still be Catholic. VERY telling. Just like how we donāt like Nancy Pelosi and other āCatholicsā misrepresenting the position of Catholicism, making it seem like itās okay to support abortion policies, I also donāt like when āCatholicsā make it seem like itās okay to pick and choose what you believe doctrinally, and that doctrine doesnāt matter, or, why meās hilarious statement-ādogma killsā.
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Religio71
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I didnāt even know that youāve been dealing with his antics for so long. He uses the same arguments and positions over and over-the persecution complex. Poor Mormons, Poor Mormonism, Poor Why Me, everyoneās out to get us, especially the Evil Catholics on this forum.
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MelanieAnne
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The way Iāve always heard the joke, it was when you were close to the Mormons that everyone whispered.I didnāt even know that youāve been dealing with his antics for so long. He uses the same arguments and positions over and over-the persecution complex. Poor Mormons, Poor Mormonism, Poor Why Me, everyoneās out to get us, especially the Evil Catholics on this forum.
But I can see why Mormons would make it the Baptists because the Baptists among those who claim that Mormons are not Christian AT ALL.But back to the topic of the thread ~ I believe WhyMe is playing some sort of silly game, one that people have figured out, which makes it harder to play because someone or another will routinely call WhyMe on it every time.
I feel sorry for WhyMe if he/she (sorry, I donāt believe WhyMe is a āheā, but then I donāt believe ANYTHING WhyMe says) truly is attempting to practice both Mormonism and Catholicism at the same time because that is betraying both faiths and being faithful to neither. But I donāt believe WhyMe is doing that. I strongly suspect that WhyMe is just āstirring the potā and getting a lot of attention in the process. The best suggestion anyone has made (was it you Religio?) was to ignore WhyMe. WhyMe clearly craves attention, but at the same time will never actually give a straight answer a straight question about going to church, talking to the pastor, discussing the firm ātestimonyā about the Book of Mormon in the confessional, etc. This is clearly because WhyMe doesnāt do ANY of those things, including attending Mass.
All these claims of persecution, all these provocative statements, are merely bids for attention. The best thing to do would be for everyone to totally ignore all these patently false claims of some hybrid Mormon/Catholic practice. WhyMe may not like being ignored, may very well kick up a fuss and claim persecution or some such thing. To respond to such antics just extends the game. We Catholics need to stop playing this game with anyone who asserts they are both Mormon and Catholic. Itās a device being used in an attempt to undermine the Catholic faith.
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This is not true. Over on the MAD board, I claimed that catholics like Nancy Pelosi should be excommunicated. I am on the record as stating that catholic public figures who support abortion and make it easier to get an abortion should be excommunicated. Please do not lie to my friends on this board. It is uncatholic.
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I must really annoy you Religio. Why I have no idea. I have even recommended two great catholic churches for you to visit while you decide on a church home. I really tried to be helpful to you. My only conclusion is that your doctrine mind misses the human element in claiming to be both catholic and mormon. I have explained myself many times and it had nothing to do with antics. You are such a judgemental person that perhaps you canāt just get your head around my reasoning.I didnāt even know that youāve been dealing with his antics for so long. He uses the same arguments and positions over and over-the persecution complex. Poor Mormons, Poor Mormonism, Poor Why Me, everyoneās out to get us, especially the Evil Catholics on this forum.
I have never said poor mormons. I have only said, that catholics need to show love and mercy in their posts when having a dialogue with mormons. And this is what the catholic church teaches. To dialogue with people with love and mercy. Remember you just read it on another thread confirming my knowledge in such things.
You are still trying to bait postersā¦and you will catch some of them. But mostā¦who donāt have a dog in this fight, understand where I am coming fromā¦
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Religio71
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This is not true. Over on the MAD board, I claimed that catholics like Nancy Pelosi should be excommunicated. I am on the record as stating that catholic public figures who support abortion and make it easier to get an abortion should be excommunicated**. Please do not lie to my friends on this board. It is uncatholic. **
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First, I have never stirred anyoneās pot. I made a claim and thatās it. Whether or not people can accept it is not my problem. It is their problem. But here I go again for the upteenth timeĀ“ā¦I think that my friend Religio must be enjoying this:
**I AM NOT AN ACTIVE MORMON! I DO NOT WEAR TEMPLE GARMENTS! I CAN NOT GO TO THE TEMPLE BECAUSE I CAN NOT GET A TEMPLE RECOMMEND! I DO NOT PAY A MORMON TITHE! AND I DO NOT ATTEND ALL THE MEETINGS! I DO NOT HAVE ANY CALLINGS IN THE MORMON CHURCH! BUT I HAVE BEEN A MORMON FOR OVER 35 YEARS AND I WAS A CATHOLIC FOR THE FIRST 18 YEARS OF MY LIFE! NOW I ATTEND MASS AGAIN AND LEARNING ABOUT THE CATHOLIC FAITH ONCE MORE!
ANY MORE PROBLEMS? **
AND I DO HAVE CHILDREN WHO ARE MORMON AND THE MORMON FAITH IS TREATING THEM WELL!
You do know Melanie that judging people is wrong. Only god has the right to judge, not you, not Religio or any other judgemental catholic on this board. And that is just the way it is. Just take care of yourself and be peaceful and treat others with respect. Show love of god and love for humanity. Show mercy when mercy is required. And do your best to be a good catholic. But donāt judge others.
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