Witnesses tell FBI that George Zimmerman is no racist

[vz71]

Following someone at night presents a potential threat, especially to a minor.

And breaking someone’s nose is not a threat.
Slamming somone’s head into the concrete sidewalk is likewise not a threat.

You stretch credibility to the limits attempting to claim Trayvon had nothing to do with it.

 

[vz71]

Where is the evidence to suggest that Martin may have turned this into a physical altercation?

In the same place as the evidence that Zimmerman did so.

 

[seekerz]

And breaking someone’s nose is not a threat.
Slamming somone’s head into the concrete sidewalk is likewise not a threat.

You stretch credibility to the limits attempting to claim Trayvon had nothing to do with it.

You are the one stretching credibility. Where is the evidence of heads being slammed into concrete, or of noses being broken THAT night? None I’m aware of, but maybe you have access to information that I don’t know about.

There is nothing to show that this was not simply a fight that ended up with an adult shooting a kid whom he had no business suspecting and following in the first place.

 

[seekerz]

In the same place as the evidence that Zimmerman did so.

The poster asserted that there is such physical evidence, I’m simply asking him/her to present it.

 

[scipio337]

You are the one stretching credibility. Where is the evidence of heads being slammed into concrete, or of noses being broken THAT night? None I’m aware of, but maybe you have access to information that I don’t know about.

Right. Besides police reports and video evidence, there is absolutely NO evidence that the broken nose and head lacerations occured THAT night.

These were all previous injuries that Zimmerman re-aggrivated to fulfill his insidious racist plan of shooting an unarmed teen.

seekerz:

There is nothing to show that this was not simply a fight that ended up with an adult shooting a kid whom he had no business suspecting and following in the first place.

Aside from the fact that Martin had no other injuries at all, except to his knuckles?

You seem to be stuck on the whole appeal to emotion thing. Its not illegal to suspect someone, or follow them (or a justification to assualt, which you deny, but continue to imply)

 

[seekerz]

Right. Besides police reports and video evidence, there is absolutely NO evidence that the broken nose and head lacerations occured THAT night.

These were all previous injuries that Zimmerman re-aggrivated to fulfill his insidious racist plan of shooting an unarmed teen.

Aside from the fact that Martin had no other injuries at all, except to his knuckles?

You seem to be stuck on the whole appeal to emotion thing. Its not illegal to suspect someone, or follow them (or a justification to assualt, which you deny, but continue to imply)

Ah, easier to believe that a 17 yr old with all his faculties intact would simply stop running away from an adult male pursuing him, turn around and threaten his life before attacking him barehanded, bashing his head into concrete while covering his nose and mouth and reaching for the gun which was supposed to be concealed…I’m getting dizzy from just typing the acrobatic feats Trayvon is supposed to have accomplished. My only question is, if he was so skilled, so strong and so endowed with superpowers, why didn’t he also gain control of the gun and shoot Zimmerman?

 

[scipio337]

Ah, easier to believe that a 17 yr old with all his faculties intact would simply stop running away from an adult male pursuing him, turn around and threaten his life before attacking him barehanded, bashing his head into concrete while covering his nose and mouth and reaching for the gun which was supposed to be concealed…I’m getting dizzy from just typing the acrobatic feats Trayvon is supposed to have accomplished. My only question is, if he was so skilled, so strong and so endowed with superpowers, why didn’t he also gain control of the gun and shoot Zimmerman?

Yet your premise isn’t based on the physical evidence.

 

[seekerz]

Yet your premise isn’t based on the physical evidence.

No, like the apologists for Zimmerman, my premise is based on the story he has given.

 

[scipio337]

No, like the apologists for Zimmerman, my premise is based on the story he has given.

Other than the physical evidence, the eyewitness and police reports, and the only surviving person’s story, what else do we have to base anything?

Some vague notion of “profiling racist!”?

 

[mtbender]

Where is the evidence to suggest that Martin may have turned this into a physical altercation?

Let’s see…

Witness saw Martin over Zimmerman
Zimmerman suffered physical injuries
Timeline suggests Martin may not have been fleeing (discussed in a previous post)
Martin initiated the confrontation (as indicated by the girlfriend)

All of which could indicated that the physical altercation was prompted by Martin.

But I have to admit, maybe the word “physical” wasn’t accurate…

 

[seekerz]

Let’s see…

Witness saw Martin over Zimmerman

Haven’t read that witness’ story myself, but so what? Gaining the upper hand in a fight doesn’t mean you started it.

Zimmerman suffered physical injuries

Does that preclude him being the aggressor?

Timeline suggests Martin may not have been fleeing (discussed in a previous post)

So, maybe he stood his ground - literally. How does that indicate who initiated the altercation?

Martin initiated the confrontation (as indicated by the girlfriend)

Do you mean by speaking to Zimmerman? How does that indicate him throwing the first punch?

 

[mtbender]

Haven’t read that witness’ story myself, but so what? Gaining the upper hand in a fight doesn’t mean you started it.

Does that preclude him being the aggressor?

So, maybe he stood his ground - literally. How does that indicate who initiated the altercation?

Do you mean by speaking to Zimmerman? How does that indicate him throwing the first punch?

Key words I used were could/may – I never once said he did. As I have said all along, that is the question that needs to be answered – and that is where the responsibility lies.

 

[kelvinf]

How was he profiled? What names was he called?? He was “flagged” as “suspicious” in an area that had some crime as the recent past.

How was he suspicious? By walking in the rain (since Zimmerman really stressed that)? Just one of those weird things you hear from Zimmerman. There had been crime in the area…so how is that linked to Trayvon? “these a**holes, they always get away” “these ****ing punks”. He identified Travyon as a punk–“an aggressive and violent young criminal” based on what?

All these clearly expose the patterns of thoughts in Zimmerman’s mind and explain why he went after this boy.

I understand that Martin wasn’t doing anything wrong, but how does being thought of as “suspicious” or having someone call 911 because they consider you so a crime?

How did he “initiate the ordeal” in your opinion. Following someone or calling 911 isn’t a crime, nor is it grounds for assault. As everyone has pointed out, Zimmerman did some stupid things, but not one of them were illegal.

Because the result of all that is an unarmed dead boy, who wasn’t committing a crime. Whenever an action leads to the death of an individual, all that happened before the event is (supposed to be(!)) investigated and charges could be brought up or not. Zimmerman is charged with a crime–meaning/reflecting that his actions as a whole were not legal.(!)

I asked this question before, I will ask it again:

is following someone, thinking they are suspicious, or calling 911 justification for physical assault?

No! And before you are quick to pick on that simple, honest answer, I will reiterate that, still not knowing who started the physical assault, I have said over and over that Zimmerman’s story and injuries do not at all justify the killing of this boy.(!)

 

[kelvinf]

And breaking someone’s nose is not a threat.
Slamming somone’s head into the concrete sidewalk is likewise not a threat.

You stretch credibility to the limits attempting to claim Trayvon had nothing to do with it.

Again and again, we haven’t seen the injuries that reflect a face that was repeatedly punched and a head that was bashed several times on the concrete.

 

[kelvinf]

Yes they do, but people quickly dismiss the fact that Martin may have in fact hit Zimmerman as he claimed? Or does that statement only hold true when it can further your argument?

I don’t dismiss the fact that Martin may have hit Zimmerman. What I clearly dismiss is the gunning down of this boy based on a story that’s unbelievable and how all this started.

Could it be his intent was to see what direction he was going to report it to the police?

It might have been, if the police asked him to do so. On the contrary, he was instructed not to follow the kid.(!)

 

[kelvinf]

Ah, easier to believe that a 17 yr old with all his faculties intact would simply stop running away from an adult male pursuing him, turn around and threaten his life before attacking him barehanded, bashing his head into concrete while covering his nose and mouth and reaching for the gun which was supposed to be concealed…I’m getting dizzy from just typing the acrobatic feats Trayvon is supposed to have accomplished. My only question is, if he was so skilled, so strong and so endowed with superpowers, why didn’t he also gain control of the gun and shoot Zimmerman?

In all honesty, this is just one of the things that makes me to wonder why our fellow posters here seem to consistently just ignore. Zimmerman’s narration is just unbelievable. I highlighted some of his incredible claims in a well detailed post that was largely ignored by the others. “Tja”!

 

[seekerz]

In all honesty, this is just one of the things that makes me to wonder why our fellow posters here seem to consistently just ignore. Zimmerman’s narration is just unbelievable. I highlighted some of his incredible claims in a well detailed post that was largedly ignored by the others. “Tja”!

Yes, that was a great post. You could tell just by the paucity of responses - there is no rational response to explain away the points you were making. But hey, protecting SYG is more important than protecting some mother’s kid.

 

[vz71]

You are the one stretching credibility. Where is the evidence of heads being slammed into concrete, or of noses being broken THAT night? None I’m aware of, but maybe you have access to information that I don’t know about.

There is nothing to show that this was not simply a fight that ended up with an adult shooting a kid whom he had no business suspecting and following in the first place.

Nothing except the broken nose and the wounds to the back of the head.

 

[vz71]

The poster asserted that there is such physical evidence, I’m simply asking him/her to present it.

You have been proclaiming the guilt of Zimmerman and the innocence of Trayvon for nearly the entire discussion.

On what you now admit is a lack of evidence.

 

[vz71]

No, like the apologists for Zimmerman, my premise is based on the story he has given.

Earlier in the thread you claimed he lacked any credibility and we should not listen at all to his testimony.

So which of you should I believe?

The one that said earlier that I should not listen to Zimmerman?
Or the one now that wants to take every word at face value?

I am having difficulty keeping up with your stories.