Women Wearing Men's Neckties

[libbeylu]

Oh…the woman with the pantsuit…imagine her putting the tie back on rack…grab a set of Pearls with dangling Pearl earrings and she, in my opinion, would look like a “Classy” Lady with a conservative, feminine attire…leave the ties to the guys! :crazy_face: oh, I see that she is wearing heels…great!

 

[libbeylu]

Yes, I must agree heels are not for all women…and one must always present herself like a Lady…in appearance, and the way she walks…I have broken a heel, once on the way to my car…but not due to a “weight” problem…just time for a new pair! I was always careful in the way I dressed in business and even on casual occasions…and haven’t stopped although I am older…God created me and I do take care of myself and always will!

 

[libbeylu]

I am a woman, and the old saying “clothes make the man or woman” is a classic phrase, and can still be applied to this day! Anyone in the business world can attest to this…I don’t know what gender you are, and I do agree that there lots of ways for a lady to look feminine, however fads do come and go. The basic suit remains the same classic way of dressing for both genders, and is a timeless professional way of dressing. And, anyone can look good in one…

 

[edward_george1]

That’s interesting, because with the heat here I was just wondering if those Roman collars were acually comfortable. I’m guessing the answer is Yes.

I wear a plastic collar called a “Clericool” most of the time. It’s a thin piece of plastic doubled over, with holes in the side facing one’s neck to vent heat. They’re fairly comfortable, more than you’d think. And super easy to care for; just wipe them down with a damp rag. I wear a cassock nearly all the time, and I wear a t-shirt and shorts under it, so that helps with keeping cool too. It’s hot and humid most of the year where I’m at, so I take what I can get in that department.

My revulsion at ties is less to do with heat and more to do with sheer annoyance. I enjoy wearing a cassock, but with shorts/t-shirt/band collar, because it gives the impression that I’m dressed semi-formally, while still being fairly casual in reality.

 

[Rau]

Do you see there being anything wrong (employing whatever criteria you wish) with this?

What do you think? We’re it wrong, which commandment would it be infringing?

 

[JanR]

I’ve never liked neckties on women. Scarves, yes, but not masculine looking neckties. They just don’t fit the feminine, if you know what I mean.

I never cared for the masculine costumes Marlene Dietrich wore, either – they never looked like they belonged on her, and I always wondered, when I saw her in them, what point she was trying to make.

 

[Pitcairn17]

Never knew dolphins were such snappy dressers

Yup. I understand that they dress that way on porpoise.

 

[JanR]

Minks:

Lol! Your hubs should at least once try a larger neck size!

It’s really hard to find dress shirts with neck sizes larger than 17 inches. The Big and Tall men’s shops cater to BIG and TALL men, and my husband is 5’8". He needs to find a Big and SHORT men’s store! How popular would that name be with men?! I’m guessing it will only succeed online, where men can access it in private and not have to be seen going into the “SHORT” men’s store! Poor hubby!

Has he considered having his shirts tailor made especially for him? That way, he could have them custom sized to fit him perfectly, including his neck. Probably would be quite expensive, but that way he would be guaranteed a comfortable fit.

 

[JanR]

Nik:

Never knew dolphins were such snappy dressers

Yup. I understand that they dress that way on porpoise.

Ohhh! Boo-hiss!

 

[childinthefaith]

Recently I’ve posted a lot, and got banned for the attitude, about my daughter having a beard and saying she thinks she is a dude.

That said, I see absolutely zero wrong with, let’s say, my 1000% “typically inclined,” normal wife, wearing a men’s neck tie as part of an outfit if she wishes.
Odds are she would not wear it around her neck but on her pretty head, but still, even if it was tied at the neck, same knot as I’d use, I’d see no issues with it. And that from a man suffering from the pain of a daughter who thinks she is “trans” after we certainly raised her otherwise…my $0.02.

Blessings,

 

[1Lord1Faith]

about my daughter having a beard and saying she thinks she is a dude.

Have a frank talk with your daughter about how having a lot of hair on your body, especially your face, is not something fun. That’s one angle. Kind of like a man getting a vagina but not having to have the menstruation that usually comes with it. Is that called having your cake and eating it too?

When I was a teenager I used to want more facial hair like some of my friends had. Oh boy, do I feel foolish now. I sometimes wish I could permanently remove all the hair on certain parts of my body, especially my face.

I have this theory about why men are hairier than women. It’s an evolutionary way to make sure men can make up, in some other way, for being too hairy. Like maybe eons ago when a young man was courting a woman - “Hey Jane, look at this nice bird I caught for everyone to eat” - women looks at dead bird, looks at hairy man, looks at dead bird, makes decision to dine with hairy man.

 

[babochka]

Minks:

Lol! Your hubs should at least once try a larger neck size!

It’s really hard to find dress shirts with neck sizes larger than 17 inches. The Big and Tall men’s shops cater to BIG and TALL men, and my husband is 5’8". He needs to find a Big and SHORT men’s store! How popular would that name be with men?! I’m guessing it will only succeed online, where men can access it in private and not have to be seen going into the “SHORT” men’s store! Poor hubby!

My son has the opposite problem. He is tall and skinny. It is not so easy to find men’s pants in 28x36.

 

[dochawk]

Edited to include the fact that they cut off blood flow to your brain and make you stupid!!!

That’s more the collar being too tight than the tie itself.

In the late 80s and early 90s, I actually bought white western shirts (you could get them before Garth Brooks happened) because the cut was different. But that was over the length, now that I think of it; the tails were long enough to stay tucked in at my height.

Back then, I generally wore a bolo in part because I could leave my collar open outside of a courtroom. The tightness was uncomfortable, but rubbing on the scar tissue under my chin was too much.

Somewhere between then and '06 or so, the cut of the shirts seems to have changed–the top of the collar is lower than it was twenty-five years ago.

However, it is also critical to get the right neck size! If you stay to M/L/XL, then, yes, it’s not going to fit well.

I can spend the entire day with an eastern tie (full Windsor, of course!) without noticing it’s there.

I’d still rather wear a real tie than an eastern one, though . . . [and the question is not why I wear those and boots, but why anyone else this side of the Pecos is wearing eastern shoes and ties . . . ]

sidenote: the modern ubiquitous men’s “business” suit descends directly from 19th century British military uniforms . . . and though similar in appearance, the “sports coat” descends separately from upper class “sports” from Britain in the same time period.

another sidenote: I seem to have reached the point where there is enough, err, blonde in my beard to have more gracious sitting down with a new client in black jeans and a western shirt than a suit . . .

 

[dochawk]

Of course, female dolphins must never wear ties…

It is still debated, however, where a she-dolphin’s ankles are for the purpose of the modesty of her skirt . . .

I encountered a Cadillac Victoria a few years ago at the national club meeting.

A model designed for women. Well, women of means . . .

From the outside, it looked like a coupe, with which it shared the body.

On the inside, however . . .

The back seat, where she was sit, was 2/3 width, with the other third (behind the driver) being for the refreshment console, leaving room for her guest on the seat.

And the front right seat folded down flat to the floor; it was a jumpseat–in case she needed to bring her valet as well as her driver. Otherwise, it stayed flat for her ease of Ingres and egress.

While there were cars targeted at women in the 50s, none came close to this. (I want tos ay it was a '37 or '39 . . .)

Exactly! Pirates don’t wear ties.

They do once the Royal Navy catches them! They just seem to, err, hang upwards, rather than down . . .

1/2 Windsor when ones man is indisposed or said tie is rather on the thick side.

In these parts, not bein’ able to tie yer own tie is the def’ncn of “effeminate” . . .

:crazy_face:

but now they wanted all of us to look the same.

Wow, they must have had really bad vision . . .

My son has the opposite problem. He is tall and skinny. It is not so easy to find men’s pants in 28x36.

that’s really tall and really skinny . . .

x32 is “typical” for 6’0", and x34 for 6’4" . . . (of course, I’m 6’2" and x32–I have 6 foot legs and a 6’4 torso, wearing the same 16.5x36 shirts as my 6’4 brother. But I could fit in the 2006 miata . . . well, with the top down . of 70k miles, over 69 were with it down. Up was, well, and adventure . . .). [oh, and that 16.5x36 is the last size before big&tall . . . increasing rather does it. On the bright side, I fit a good 42L suit off there rack, needing only the cuffs put on . . . ] {and you should see the reaction at an an executive grade shop when you buy the top of the line cuff, and have it hemmed for boots!}

oh, and as for women in men’s ties . . . I think it just looks silly. I’ve never understood them in school uniforms (the female version of a men’s British military uniform??), but for “fashion”, I have yet to see one that wasn’t deliberately playing off of being a men’s tie, and they kind of scream “look at me! I’m wearing a men’s tie!” for no other reason than to draw attention to that fact, and to remind us what Oscar Wilde had to say about fashion . . .

 

[NevermoreLenore]

Yes, I must agree heels are not for all women…and one must always present herself like a Lady…in appearance, and the way she walks…

Why must one ‘always present herself like a lady’? Who defines what sartorial selections are ladylike? What would constitute ladylike walking?

I have broken a heel, once on the way to my car…but not due to a “weight” problem…just time for a new pair!

What does the reason you broke a heel have to do with anything? Why is it important for you to specify that you do not have a weight problem? Is it more ‘ladylike’ to break a heel due to wear and tear of a shoe than if the shoe broke and you happened to be overweight?

I was always careful in the way I dressed in business and even on casual occasions…and haven’t stopped although I am older…

Are you proposing that a woman who chooses to wear something that in your opinion is not feminine enough that it means the woman wasn’t mindful enough to be considered carefully curating her wardrobe?

God created me and I do take care of myself and always will!

Whilst taking care of our God given bodies is indeed necessary, is a woman who prefers more utilitarian outfits over your vision of feminine not ‘taking care of herself’?

Outward beauty fades. Clothing styles change. Delineating what constitutes masculine and feminine dress shifts and morphs in every age and era. God is no less pleased with a woman in overalls than He is with a woman in a dress. Dressing modestly is important, but otherwise the style and nature of an outfit is unimportant. Modesty means so much more than your manner of dress–being modest is a condition of the heart and a humble mindset.

Edited for grammar

 

[njlisa]

Outside of church, Catholic women dress any number of ways. You may find one woman wearing work boots and another wearing high heels. You might find one without makeup and another with a lot of cosmetics. We’re all individuals. The only requirement is that we be modest. If you like to wear neckties, go for it!

At Mass, the clothing varies. Most of the women I see at Mass are in slacks – some dressy, some not. Others wear skirts or dresses. I’ve seen families come in matching football team jerseys.

Just be yourself and don’t worry about it.

 

[LilyM]

1/2 Windsor when ones man is indisposed or said tie is rather on the thick side. Otherwise full Windsor is the order of the day for us chaps! Wouldn’t want to be thought of as effeminate. What Ho! ( If @(name removed by moderator) can talk cod Shakespear then I’m going full on Bertie Wooster)

Pip pip, toodle-oo and tally ho old bean. Love me some Jeeves-and-Wooster speak. Might start rewatching the wonderful tv series with Stephen Fry and Hugh Laurie

 

[Peeps]

On the topic of high heels (which is related to women’s choice of apparel)–

My podiatrist is a Catholic woman, and quite beautiful, IMO.

She often gives lectures and presentations about foot health. I attended one of these lectures.

She showed diagrams and made the point that when a woman wears high heels, she essentially turns her human foot into a HOOF!



At this point in my life, I am not able physically to wear heels (surgeries on each foot to correct broken posterior tibialis–large tendons that support the arch).

But after hearing my doctor talk and seeing those diagrams, I would NEVER EVER wear high heels!! Ick!

I was given FEET by my Creator, not HOOVES!

She did say that the short heels (2 inch or less) are fine and still allow a woman to walk like a human being instead of a horse.

I guess that’s my take on all of fashion–we need to wear clothing and accessories that help us to better serve God, and being able to walk normally, and RUN if there is danger, makes it easier for us to get around and do the work that God has created us to do–

–unless, of course, God has given us the task of being a high fashion runway model–in that case, wear the heels and take them off as soon as the fashion show is over!. That’s what Cybill Shepherd, one of my favorite fashion models, used to do!

 

[Welshrabbit]

Yeah, maybe I need a bigger collar. Like Hank Hill, I seem to have somewhat of a fat neck.(Please Note: This uploaded content is no longer available.)

 

[JanR]

There’s the constant danger of turning one’s ankle in high, thin stiletto-type heels, and when one turns one’s ankle in those, the whole body goes down. One has to balance carefully in those shoes, and they just aren’t practical. One cannot run in them, or it’s almost guaranteed one will turn a foot onto its side and fall.

Another agony with shoes are pointed toes. Not slightly rounded toes, but triangular, pointed toes. Those go in and out of fashion, but they are torture on the foot in any case. I could never wear shoes with sharply pointed toes, and I don’t like that look, anyway.

Our toes were never meant to be crammed together that tightly and shoved into a wedge. Surely such a style had to be designed my MEN who haven’t the slightest inkling of how uncomfortable those extreme points are for gals who (feel they) have to wear them.

For me, “style” is what I like according to my personal tastes, and what I find to be comfortable, both in fit and in design.