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BlackFriar
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You have unusual theological (and perhaps other) issues more serious than the Catechism or I can assist you with I am afraid. God bless.
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adgloriam
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I love you @BlackFriar 
let it be noticed.
let it be noticed.
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Roseeurekacross
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We are all cultural Catholics within our native culture. Whatever your native catholic culture is, within the native culture you were raised in, you have taken your Catholisim and incorporated it clearly across the different cultures you mention. We can agree there are vast differences within and between American, Australian, Chinese and Malaysian cultures. They are the native culture. I mentioned these as you have lived in all these
Now since you have lived in Malaysia for work and I imagine , extended periods, you know there are, among others, two native cultures there, Chinese Malaysian and Indian Malaysian. Catholics of these native cultures then have the catholic culture that transcends both their native catholic / non catholic culture.
No one is rejecting any Catholic culture, be it Italian, Indian, Phillipino, Mexican etc.
You yourself know Catholicism is not European culture, European native culture.
I trust you have incorporated Pastoral culture studies into your extensive theology studies.
After all, it’s how we successfully minister .
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Roseeurekacross
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Kathleen has given us two fine examples of native culture. The shamrock was appropriated by one of our great saints, Saint Patrick.
Salt, and new items for new houses are part of the newness we seek and renewal in blessing our homes annually at Eastertime
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Not sure what you are on about.
My small point was that the more vocal Catholics on CAF tend to be those with the least experience or real understanding of other cultures other than “knowledge” derived third hand from alleged experts who are simply cherry picked to agree with their own cultural biases.
US Catholics seem to be over-represented in this regard.
Pretty much like Donald Trump.
My small point was that the more vocal Catholics on CAF tend to be those with the least experience or real understanding of other cultures other than “knowledge” derived third hand from alleged experts who are simply cherry picked to agree with their own cultural biases.
US Catholics seem to be over-represented in this regard.
Pretty much like Donald Trump.
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Kathleen18
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Yes. I understood the symbolism behind The Shamrock and the new broom. But throwing salt over your shoulder after salt was spilled on the table, seemed like just a waste of salt!
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ratio1
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I’m glad at st Thomas Aquinas didn’t think like this otherwise we wouldn’t have benefited greatly from him.
I take your point that most people should probably follow your advice. But we should also acknowledge this is just a good rule of thumb for the commons/average person. God is so much more than what we think.
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ratio1
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I think you misunderstood my point.
I’m not saying it would be impossible to make big mistakes. Im saying that’s the fruits of it. Surely you’re not suggesting we should keep making the big mistakes again and again without trying to improve ourselves not to do so? Can we just not care and make big mistakes because we can just take comfort that we will have the sacrament of reconciliation? This is against Catholic teaching and is an abuse of the sacrament. Of course we should try our best to avoid making big mistakes. Hence the I Ching provides a good practical guide as to how one should behave. All I’m saying is that it contains good practical advice. You don’t have to see it as a religious truth. Surely their is nothing wrong with buying modern psychology self help books to help oneself become a better person if it is not against Catholic teaching? Not every single practical facts of life is contained in the Bible/church teachings. It gives us the broad direction so we don’t go astray but it can’t give you every single detail.
So as example, what kind of mentality should one have as one enters a new job in a company? Does the church answer this question? The Bible? I Ching does.
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ratio1
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Agree absolutely. Your point being?
I hope you don’t mean that because some people are using the Bible for divination (like randomly picking a verse to decide what to do) then we should abandon using the bible altogether?
Sacramentals can become quite superstitious if misused. Does that mean we should ban sacramentals? Of course not. We can’t stop people from misusing it, doesn’t mean there is something inherently wrong.
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Roseeurekacross
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Do you have any proof, evidence or stats to back your opinion up?
Unless you have a complete dossier on every chatter on a CAF who chooses to engage in different discussions, how can you know the experience or understanding of any of us. That’s across the board from the raddest rad trad, trad, conservative, liberal, left , right,
Catholic, Protestant, jewish, Buddhist, atheists or agnostic chatter here.
How do you know the level of expertise of anyone here?
What is your litmus test for expertise? Is it the amount of letters behind a name, the amount of different degrees, the big or lack of big words used, proficiency in lote.
Is it the willingness to roll up the sleeves, go hungry and pick up the dying off the street, the amount of Reconcilliation a Priest has heard, the amount of masses attended, hymns sung, prayers a person has prayed. The aged , the young, the ignorant, the suffering.
High iq, low iq…
God is the expert. We are mere creatures , open to the wisdom and knowledge of the Holy Spirit. It’s one or two of the Gifts of the Holy Spirit.
Cherry pick is such a buzz word isn’t it. Cherry pick proverbs
And this brings us to Wisdom. Who is she. You are a purported monk, tell us who is Wisdom. .
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Roseeurekacross
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Well Donald Trump, like it or not, represents USA and much of the world.
CAF is American in origin, So we expect an uneven global curve. However, just wait till Indian Catholics discover CAF!
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Roseeurekacross
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Ah, but we do, don’t we. We Keep making mistakes. That’s the human condition. We try, we succeed, we try, we fail, we try again.
Sometimes we lose our hope, we might sleep on it, wake up refreshed and ready to face a new day.
Sometimes it takes much longer. Sometimes we are never sure.
At wonderful times, God says here I Am. We respond “all glory to you God.”
The human condition might cause me to show no mercy, to show dislike, in a hateful way , if I feel angry or hurt. I don’t think at the time, it’s ok, I can throw rocks at X y or z because I can go to Reconcilliation. I might just snap into responding to my pain that way, then regret it. Then think to myself that I greatly offended God , and forgot love thy neighbour.
I don’t pick up that rock to throw, thinking it’s ok , I will hit this person in his Crown Jewels, then front up to Reconcilliation. That’s the human condition.
I have never met a person who abuses the Sacrament of Reconcilliation. And I put forward, if a person thinks that way, they are showing a lot of contrition in seeking to reconcile with God.
What is the Sacrament of Reconcilliation. It’s saying Yes to God. It’s saying, I will try better, please help me, please give me the grace to try again. Please show me mercy.
Sacred Scripture and sacred tradition are the guide , the go to. As are writings of the saints and listening to Pappa Francis and past Popes.
Are we not Catholics? We combine Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition.
And we try to live by the two greatest commandments and imitate the life of Jesus.
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Roseeurekacross
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Catholic teachings clearly tell us that’s an abuse of Sacred Scripture.
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BlackFriar
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You really are over thinking things.
My opinion is that those who opine “yin yang” is of the devil and anti-Catholic because it is Buddhist Religion or occult tout foolish views with no appreciation of the culture from which it came, have no Magisterial sources to backup their strong views and seem to rely on Google instead of scholarship.
I see the world and ancient wisdom from a glass half full perspective. It is innocent until proven otherwise. Over to you.
My opinion is that those who opine “yin yang” is of the devil and anti-Catholic because it is Buddhist Religion or occult tout foolish views with no appreciation of the culture from which it came, have no Magisterial sources to backup their strong views and seem to rely on Google instead of scholarship.
I see the world and ancient wisdom from a glass half full perspective. It is innocent until proven otherwise. Over to you.
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ratio1
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Great looks like you actually agree with me then.
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ratio1
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Excellent. We both agree there is nothing wrong with the symbol itself.
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Canvas
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Please dont judge us all by the way Donald Trump behaves. Many of us find his behavior and rhetoric to be disturbing at best.
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ratio1
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That’s going too far and is against Catholic teaching.
The lucky cat does not bring luck. So it doesn’t “work”.
I do have one though and I display it. But it’s for cultural reasons.
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ratio1
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Ok so tell me exactly how this helps with the question?
Just imagine you’re counselling someone starting a new job. Is that the advice you’ll give them?
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BlackFriar
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Its no worse or better than Christian Europeans having a shamrock or lucky horse shoe above their door or believing in superstitious near death experiences or in troubled souls staying on earth to sort out things (including appearing to loved ones) before going to their rightful place or reading the horoscope in the papers. Its harmless fun. These are in fact vestigial beliefs from ancient religions that were overtaken by Catholicism.BlackFriar:
That’s going too far and is against Catholic teaching.
The lucky cat does not bring luck. So it doesn’t “work”.
I do have one though and I display it. But it’s for cultural reasons.
They are tolerated because they are known/European. I see no problem with Chinese Catholics or the partners of Buddhist Chinese in mixed marriages being playful with similar customs they have become familiar with.
BTW what is “going too far?” I didn’t say the Catholic husband believed in it - though he is happy to have it in his home because of his wife. His Chinese wife doesn’t take it that seriously to be honest. nor do most Chinese. You are perhaps doing the equivalent to Chinese that Protestants do to Catholics…saying we worship statues. The husband’s boss (Euro) is not a Christian but a pragmatist. If he says it works why should we doubt him? All his staff are Chinese - that may be the reason, respecting their culture may get better productivity. Good move as well as good luck I would say.
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