60% of US states are reporting increases in new cases

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No, not that group.

The death rate is ,2% per million

New York has the highest death rate per million over any other country in the
world. Belgium is 2nd.

People young and old are suffering from covid-19 fatigue. This has been going
on since February. The worst was supposed to be over by the middle to the end of May. Young people can’t be cooped up forever. This is summer.
Memorial Day weekend is always a celebration that summer is around the
corner. People attend bbq’s, go to lakes, go on holiday and graduation parties.

It is no surprise we are seeing an increase in cases 3-4 wees later. We also had all
the young people attending the protests. Now we have July 4th approaching
which will be a reason for more get togethers and crowds.

People don’t want to stay home.
 
Actually, I have read several articles that discuss whether wearing a mask actually heps stop the spread of covid-19 or not and how it can lead to a false sense of
security - like wearing gloves. How many people are reguarly washing their masks or leaving them in their cars or wadded up in a pocket or purse?
 
7_Sorrows said:
People don’t want to stay home.
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Nobody does. But if the Democrats wanted higher infection rates, they sure went about it in a funny way, since Dem governors have dragged their feet in reopening their states.

Republicans, on the other hand, have been itching to get people out since before Easter. That leads me to believe either they didn’t understand that pandemics don’t just “go away” or they thought that the death count couldn’t possibly outweigh the economic impact.

It’s short sighted to only look at deaths anyway. With a bug that requires 3 to 4 weeks recovery even for “mild” cases, there’s no way businesses can sustain large numbers of employees falling sick with Covid-19.

It’s a damned if you do, damned if you don’t scenario.
 
7_Sorrows said:
Actually, I have read several articles that discuss whether wearing a mask actually heps stop the spread of covid-19 or not and how it can lead to a false sense of
security - like wearing gloves. How many people are reguarly washing their masks or leaving them in their cars or wadded up in a pocket or purse?
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When the top medical experts in infectious diseases in the country repeatedly tell you wearing masks reduces the spread of the virus you’d better believe it. They know better than us.
People also have to avoid crowds and regularly wash masks and hands.
 
I’m going to preface my comment by saying I have been compliant n wearing a mask.Havng said that,Dr.Fauchi was for the masks before he was then saying they aren’t necessary then back to encouraging the use again.He may be the “ expert” but not re this virus,it’s a learn as you go situation.
His initial models and game plan were way off the mark in handling this virus.He also has ties to the Wuhan virology lab and supports it monetarily,therefore his advice was being clouded by his personal ties.
 
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buffalo said:
Asymptomatic transfer is very rare says WHO. Millions have already had it. Why d they have to wear a mask?
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I question that comment, they must be excluding people at the early stages of the disease when people are doing their normal routine rather than in bed.
 
Jeanne_S said:
I’m going to preface my comment by saying I have been compliant n wearing a mask.Havng said that,Dr.Fauchi was for the masks before he was then saying they aren’t necessary then back to encouraging the use again.He may be the “ expert” but not re this virus,it’s a learn as you go situation.
His initial models and game plan were way off the mark in handling this virus.He also has ties to the Wuhan virology lab and supports it monetarily,therefore his advice was being clouded by his personal ties.
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In the early days he explained telling the public not to wear masks was because there was a shortage of PPE equipment, especially masks and that all available masks should go to the doctors, nurses and other frontline medical staff. If Trump during the past 3 years has stocked up it wouldn’t have been necessary. He is an expert on the virus. His entire career has been on viruses.
By the way Dr Fauci never had a MODEL. He used the one being used by the Trump administration.
Absolute NONSENSE that his advice was clouded.
 
Theo520 said:
I question that comment, they must be excluding people at the early stages of the disease when people are doing their normal routine rather than in bed.
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When I hear “asymptomatic” I can never tell if “presymptomatic” is being included.
 
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buffalo:
Asymptomatic transfer is very rare says WHO. Millions have already had it. Why d they have to wear a mask?
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And we know WHO got everything right!!!
Listen to Dr Fauci and all the other medical experts. Wearing a mask is proven to reduce the risk of spreading.
People who refuse to wear masks are dangerous people who don’t care about others.
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There’s a new article in today’s New York Times about asymptomatic spread of the novel coronavirus. According to the article:
It is now widely accepted that seemingly healthy people can spread the virus, though uncertainty remains over how much they have contributed to the pandemic. Though estimates vary, models using data from Hong Kong, Singapore and China suggest that 30 to 60 percent of spreading occurs when people have no symptoms.
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www.nytimes.com

How the World Missed Covid-19’s Silent Spread (Published 2020)

Symptomless transmission makes the coronavirus far harder to fight. But health officials dismissed the risk for months, pushing misleading and contradictory claims in the face of mounting evidence.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
 
I supposed you all missed this one from the CDC.


We have known since the Diamond Princess episode that there is substantial cross immunity in the population. This was confirmed by the USS Roosevelt episode. Current estimates put that cross immunity at 50%.

But we know that for an R0 of 3.0, herd immunity occurs at 66% of the population. So let’s crunch the numbers for New York state. 391,000 confirmed cases. Multiply by 10x to get 3.91m. That is about 20% of the state population. Add 50% cross immunity to arrive at 70% which is above the 66% guideline. So NY state is already there. Recall that 65% of NY state population is in the NYC metro area. Now it should be obvious to one and all why the protests in NYC did not result in new spikes. Further, it was ham handed of the authorities to come down as hard as they did on the Orthodox Jewish population.

Those states that are having issues are the ones where the penetration plus 50% haven’t reached that 66% level. But they’re not that far away either and the spikes are almost exclusively occurring in the metro areas of those states. It’s long past time to admit there will be no detonation spikes from here. So estimates of 300k dead do not hold any water here in light of the new data.

Then there is the unspoken story that hospitals have gotten better treatment outcomes in spite of the misleading guidelines from the NIH and CDC. The NIH specifically recommends against marker tests for blood clotting and coagulation; they also recommend against steroids. It’s not a matter of cost; the tests are common and the two tests (d-dimer and troponin) together cost about $32. Hospitals have been discovering that the most common issue in severe cases is with micro clotting in the lungs which explains why ventilators are nearly always fatal. So they came up with regimens that included testing for clotting and coagulation factors and the use of anticoagulants and steroids in treatment. The following release touches on this:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...tors-see-hope-in-new-treatments-idUSKBN23X1I5

The use of d-dimer and troponin was first published in PubMed back in February and it turns out they were accurate markers for severe cases of Covid-19 at a time when Covid-19 tests were scarce and results often took days to report.

But the NIH won’t change its guidance. So yes they’re complicit with Cuomo, Whitmer, Wolf, et al, in killing our elderly to keep up the fatalities and scare us into trashing our economy.
 
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Thbolt said:
Looking at the number of new cases in Europe vs. the US, I think we Americans might want to get used to the idea that we are quickly becoming a backwater country where we can expect to be well behind other first world countries in most measures that determine the average person’s standard of living.
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How can you say that? Our wonderful vice president just had this to say last Friday at the first coronavirus task force briefing in almost two months:
We have made a truly remarkable progress in moving our nation forward. We’ve all seen the encouraging news as we open up America again.
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NightOwl said:
Did you seriously post an InfoWars video???
First of all - your credibility is now zero.
Second of all, you use an oxygen sensor to measure your blood saturation.
You don’t stick a CO detector below a mask. Come on.
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The point is one is rebreathing exhaled gases. This results is hypercapnia. The source should never matter if it is true. The only issue to be discussed is whether this illustration is true. The meter either detected high levels or not. This test can be duplicated.
 
Zzyzx_Road said:
We have known since the Diamond Princess episode that there is substantial cross immunity in the population. This was confirmed by the USS Roosevelt episode. Current estimates put that cross immunity at 50%.
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No. This is not a fact. It’s only a wild theory.
Zzyzx_Road said:
But we know that for an R0 of 3.0, herd immunity occurs at 66% of the population. So let’s crunch the numbers for New York state. 391,000 confirmed cases. Multiply by 10x to get 3.91m. That is about 20% of the state population. Add 50% cross immunity to arrive at 70% which is above the 66% guideline. So NY state is already there
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Today’s coronavirus trend doesn’t bear that out:

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NightOwl said:
This is a NOVEL virus. There is no cross-immunity. Just because 50% of the passengers did not get the disease does not at all mean they are immune.
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Some immunity does exist. That’s undeniable. But you’re denying it in the face of evidence that says it’s out there.

Without a significant level of immunity, how on earth is it possible the passengers and the crew on the Diamond Princess can be confined to the ship for four weeks and yet 80% of the people on board never get infected? Same deal with the USS Roosevelt. If there is no immunity at all, as you propose, many more persons should have got infected; the percentage of persons infected should significantly higher. Remember, this disease spreads by both breath and fecal/oral means, it is pernicious that way.
NightOwl said:
Already your math is wrong. You do not add cross-immunity and recovered cases.
And cross-immunity is never 100%. It’s usually far lower, perhaps even less than 10% (like the flu). Even if 50% of the population had some form of cross-immunity, you can’t assume it provides 100% protection.
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I never said 100%. That is YOU putting that in my mouth.

What I did say is that if some percentage of people are already immune as we know to be the case, that has to be factored in. I never said 100% immunity; I said for an R0 of 3, herd immunity occurs at when 66% of the host population is either immune or has antibodies. Does not mean cases disappear, does not mean 100% immunity, only that it won’t be the problem it was. Which is clearly what’s happening in NY. Remember not everyone who is exposed gets the flu either.

So if you believe NY has not reached herd immunity, then do you have an explanation why NY has NOT suffered a new spike in cases following the protests? At the same time many other cities ARE experiencing spikes. Is there some magical factor that you can wave your hands and explain this away?
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Today’s coronavirus trend doesn’t bear that out:
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It does if you look back a few months. On the day George Floyd died, New York reported 1279 new cases. The day before, they reported 1603 new cases. The last day New York reported over 1000 new cases was June 6. In other words, compared to what went before, there is no new spike and NY is no longer considered a Covid-19 hotspot. That despite the thousand of protesters who flooded the city for weeks following Floyd’s death. Yet since June 6, the daily count has been above 900 only once and above 800 only one other time.


Thousands of protesters. But no climb in cases back to the counts at the time Floyd died. Them’s the numbers. While cases in other cities with protests have definitely climbed. So riddle me that, both of you.
 
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