You are correct. Yet to be a pro-choice voter promotes abortions and places roadblocks in the protection of life.being a pro choice voter does not mean that one personally
believes in a “pro abortion” position
Let’s face it there are both sides of the isle voting to fund abortions for the poor, etc.
I want no abortion and no war/s! Both lofty and good Catholic ideals to strive for, ok? tks
In fact being a pro-choice [in regards to abortion] does make one a promoter of abortion [and that affirmative position allows for abortion on demand]…being a pro choice voter does not mean that one personally
believes in a “pro abortion” position
Let’s face it there are both sides of the isle voting to fund abortions for the poor, etc.
I want no abortion and no war/s! Both lofty and good Catholic ideals to strive for, ok? tks
How then does one explain the position of the Massachusetts congressman Father Drinan, who has a 100% perfect pro-abortion record in Congress and was never excommunicated from the Catholic Church?In fact being a pro-choice [in regards to abortion] does make one a promoter of abortion [and that affirmative position allows for abortion on demand]…
We as christins must work for justice … we must work for peace, we must promote morality …
Killing the child in the womb … the falilure to protect the most innocent of life … actually demeans all life … promoting abortion increases war and a war response … it is the root to the denigration of the human person
… if a mother can kill her unborn child, then she can equally kill the 2 year old child?
… if a father has no say in the life of his unborn child why should he feel responsibility for the 10 year old?
…If I can take the life of the unborn becuase it is inconvenient … then why not my 75 year old parent, equally inconvenient?
Or the inconvenient neighboring nation?
Abortion is always and intrinsically evil … yesterday, today and tomorrow …
A christian cannot life their baptismal promises in Christ and be “Pro-choice” … they cannot morally vote for laws that allow abortion, fund abortion or promote abortion …
Because of the scandal of that Jesuit priest in congress, the Holy See has forbidden priests to run for congress.How then does one explain the position of the Massachusetts congressman Father Drinan, who has a 100% perfect pro-abortion record in Congress and was never excommunicated from the Catholic Church?
I personally would not base my decisions about what is moral upon the voting record of Father Drinan but upon the teachiing of the chruch … Pope John Paul II and Benedict XVI, the catechism, all teach that abortion is always an intrinsic evil … do you doubt that? Do you believe that abortion is a moral good, if so how?How then does one explain the position of the Massachusetts congressman Father Drinan, who has a 100% perfect pro-abortion record in Congress and was never excommunicated from the Catholic Church?
Of course abortion is wrong. My question has to do with why the Catholic authorities and hierarchy saw fit to have a Catholic Jesuit priest as a US member of Congress voting so solidly and firmly in favor of abortion rights.I personally would not base my decisions about what is moral upon the voting record of Father Drinan but upon the teachiing of the chruch … Pope John Paul II and Benedict XVI, the catechism, all teach that abortion is always an intrinsic evil … do you doubt that? Do you believe that abortion is a moral good, if so how?
Even the Didache lists abortion [specifically] as a sinful action …
And by his voting record faterh Drinan excommunicated himself … something I hope he will rectify if he has not already …
Excommunication is not so much an action of the church as in permanently seperating a person … A formal sancton by the church is not necessary for a person to be out of fellowship with Christ and the Chruch …
It is a wake-up call for the individual to turn away from sin, seek Christ, seek reconcilliation and return to the baptismal promises …
But that is the fa,acy of your thought … the Jesuit priest decided on his own to run for congress …Of course abortion is wrong. My question has to do with why the Catholic authorities and hierarchy saw fit to have a Catholic Jesuit priest as a US member of Congress voting so solidly and firmly in favor of abortion rights.
Hey man, whatever helps you sleep at night after voting for a Dem.being a pro choice voter does not mean that one personally
believes in a “pro abortion” position
Let’s face it there are both sides of the isle voting to fund abortions for the poor, etc.
I want no abortion and no war/s! Both lofty and good Catholic ideals to strive for, ok? tks
I didn’t see where this happened in the case of the most pro-abortion congressman in U.S. history, the Roman Catholic Jesuit priest, Father Drinan.… if a priest chooses to run for political office they are laicized…
Or in the case of Fr. Raymond Gravel, who is currently a member of Parliament in Canada.I didn’t see where this happened in the case of the most pro-abortion congressman in U.S. history, the Roman Catholic Jesuit priest, Father Drinan.
theinterim.com/2008/feb/02debate.htmlGravel also claimed that while he is pro-life, he believes “when a fetus is in its mother’s womb, they are one being,” and that it is not a child until it leaves the womb, a definition of human being he says the Supreme Court [of Canada] endorsed in 1969.
I hate to admit it, but I do share some of your frustrations. It is just so hard for me to reconcile what I know to be the Holy Father’s position (elucidated in his many writings) on pro-abort politicians and the events that transpired at this Mass.If the Pope beleives what he says about the reception of communion, what the church teaches, then why at least at his Mass can this not be enforced?!
Frankly the excuses are telling. The extraordinary ministers did it. Yes, the Pope could have had these handpicked. but didn’t.
Does he not beleive what he preaches? Is he just fearful of a schism in the West that would finacially cripple the church?
He’d be better to act even if in fear as peter did.
His visit is turning into a major disappointment IMO.
It is my “impression” that divorced Catholics must obtain the permission of the Chruch (somehow) to be divorced and allowed to receive the Sacraments.Divorce is not a sin, remarriage without annulment is the sin. Divorced people may receive all the Sacraments.
I think the post referred to whether one could accept the sacrament of Communion. I don’t think anyone would say that the husband abandoning his family did not sin. But consider the divorced wife then, is she to be barred from receiving communion? As long as she does not marry again, it is my understanding that she is not barred. And as for the husband, as long as he does not marry again, and confesses his sin, I believe the Church allows him to accept communion as well.I’m a little confused here. A man marries a woman and has a family and then decides to divorce his wife and abandon his family after 15 years of marriage, since he prefers the single life. You tell me that it is not a sin to refuse to live up to your family and marriage committments? Where did you hear this teaching?
The argument you use to oppose laws that make abortion illegal could be applied to all laws. All laws either require or forbid certain actions, that is, they disallow choice in specific areas, something you claim that Jesus never did. Do you then oppose all laws because Jesus never forced his opinions on others?I too will defend the unborn, but I will not force my view on others. Why? Well, my role model, Jesus, was that way and that is good enough for me. He said, “Come follow me” and he turned and walked. He never forced anyone to do things His way.
Unless you have a reliable cite, I think this is incorrect. Here is a related thread.There were no EMHCs used at any papal Masses, thank the Lord! The plan was to use them and the Holy Father got wind of it and said, ‘no way’.
Well, Fr… Drinan ran before Rome said that priests could not hold public office … and laicization may not be the only option … a priest can only function in his priestly role under the authoization of the local ordinary … the bishop …I didn’t see where this happened in the case of the most pro-abortion congressman in U.S. history, the Roman Catholic Jesuit priest, Father Drinan.