Abortion?

[The_Barrister]

Naphali:

What I’m saying is that in the 30’s 40’s 50’s and 60’s before abortion was legal there was such a system in place – There were some ways to diagnose a life threatening pregnancy and sometimes people had legal abortions even before abortion was legal –

Ah, turning to the rare exception to justify the rule. That proposition - choosing the mother’s life over the child’s life - is something we as Catholics do not believe. I believe we have a new saint who expressed that by her actions far better than I could in words.

Naphali:

Please do not make determinations about my faith or my belief for me – I know what I am and I have stated it –

Just because you say it does not make it so. You believe you are “pro-life”, yet you propose exceptions that result in the death of a child.

Naphali:

You might not like the way I choose to express myself – what I am saying is that if abortion were illegal (what’s this like the 3rd time) IF ABORTION WERE ILLEGAL THERE WOULD STILL BE CASES WHERE IT HAPPENED LEGALLY … and that’s not up to me or you that’s up to a physician and a family.

“Legal” is a rather nebulous term. Killing Jews was legal under Hitler, but that didn’t make it right.

Naphali:

Would I do it, no, as I’ve said a number of times – Do I think that there are cases VERY VERY VERY rare cases (not dwarfism, downs, etc. please!) where it is more merciful to “disconnect the Oxygen” I think those cases can exist and I think that those people can be at peace with their choice and with their relationship with God –

Hairlip? Club foot?

I know I’m being facetious, but I’m simply pointing out that your version of “mercy” differs from the ones others might propose. There’s a kook teaching in Boston who proposes that any defect is worthy of abortion at any point in time. Even if the defect is discovered after birth. I’m not kidding. I suspect you’re appalled by that - is it any surprise to you then that a pro-life Catholic might be appalled at your statements?

Naphali:

man oh man – I really am pro-life people, I’m just trying to get you to think outside the box here – ectopic abortions do indeed deliberately kill the baby – if you were trying to keep the baby alive you wouldn’t take it out of it’s mother.

“Thinking out of the box” results in more babies going in the box.

And “ectopic pregnancies” are not aborted. A procedure removes the injured body part, the UNINTENDED result of which is the death of the child. Do a search on “ectopic” to see the Catholic position.

:ehh: I’m growing weary here – must be nice to live in a world with no shades of gray.

De Debbil loves shades of gray. Read The Screwtape Letters.

 

[trayC123]

And where the heck did Jack say that MURDER (i.e.abortion) was OK??? Please answer this ProLifeAction.

 

[ProLifeAction]

trayC123:

And where the heck did Jack say that MURDER (i.e.abortion) was OK??? Please answer this ProLifeAction.

Post# 44 4th & 5th line for starters.

 

[The_Barrister]

trayC123:

And where the heck did Jack say that MURDER (i.e.abortion) was OK??? Please answer this ProLifeAction.

“For a number of reasons, however, abortion after the first trimester remains a necessary option for some women.”

Direct quote.

 

[ProLifeAction]

“For a number of reasons, however, abortion after the first trimester remains a necessary option for some women.”

Direct quote.

I feel like this thread is either the twilight zone or people have very short memories.

 

[Toni]

I stand for life in all issues, including capital punishment! :tiphat:

You’ve got to stand for something or you’ll fall for anything! (Who said that)

 

[trayC123]

If some of you would read a bit further through the posts, however, I think you would also find that those weren’t his words…he was quoting from a source…this isn’t want he believes.

 

[ProLifeAction]

trayC123:

If some of you would read a bit further through the posts, however, I think you would also find that those weren’t his words…he was quoting from a source…this isn’t want he believes.

OK but when referencing a source it should be stated at the beginning so there is no misunderstanding. Otherwise we think its the posters own words or they stand by the words of the source. Also, we do not even know who the source is?? It’s definitely a Pro-Abortion source since they use the words “Anti-Choice”.

We still do not know the posters position then.

 

[Jacksquat89]

None

ProLifeAction:

Then what is your position. What circumstances do you feel abortion OK?

 

[Jacksquat89]

“For a number of reasons, however, abortion after the first trimester remains a necessary option for some women.”

Direct quote.

But who is it a direct source from? That source (not me writing) was to show that first trimester abortions are the most common.

 

[Jacksquat89]

Source:
plannedparenthood.org/library/facts/abotaft1st_010600.html
7/20/2004

ProLifeAction:

OK but when referencing a source it should be stated at the beginning so there is no misunderstanding. Otherwise we think its the posters own words or they stand by the words of the source. Also, we do not even know who the source is?? It’s definitely a Pro-Abortion source since they use the words “Anti-Choice”.

We still do not know the posters position then.

Talk about short memory I already stated my position
Post #49

Also the only reason I used that source is because it used statistics to prove my point. Not (as I already pointed out) becuase I agreed with them. Just becuase they are pro-choice does not make their statistics wrong.

 

[AnnieD]

Jacksquat89:

I just wanted to see all of your positions on abortion.

Jack

:nope: Abortion :yup:

I am definitely against Abortion, but I’m afraid I might have clicked on the choice under it by mistake. If I accidentally clicked on the one under it which was Mother’s should have a choice, could you please change it?

Annir

 

[AnnieD]

Lilyofthevalley:

As for rape and incest victims, they did not consent to having sex so why should they be forced to go through with a pregnancy?
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Lily, If the rapist isn’t killed, I don’t think an innocent baby who did nothing wrong should be killed.

The baby didn’t consent to anything either, so using your analogy, why should the baby be forced to go through being killed?

Annie

 

[AnnieD]

Since there is so little respect for life, I wonder how long before the elderly are put to death, because they are just too much trouble.

Annie

 

[RomanRyan1088]

Jacksquat89:

Those abortion techniques are rarely used. Also abortions are usually administered before the baby can feel, or at least it has not been proven that it can feel. Abortion is wrong, but lets get our facts straight.

Will you please tell me the most common way to Kill a baby? Who cares about the most common way to kill a baby, its still killing him.

 

[RomanRyan1088]

I hear people in here talking about the baby not feeling it. Ok, lets say that you had no feeling in your right arm, but if someone came up and chopped it off, would it be ok because you had no feeling in that arm? Common people, Pro-Life.

 

[Jacksquat89]

AnnieD:

I am definitely against Abortion, but I’m afraid I might have clicked on the choice under it by mistake. If I accidentally clicked on the one under it which was Mother’s should have a choice, could you please change it?

Annir

No you voted for the one against abortion.

 

[Jacksquat89]

RomanRyan1088:

Will you please tell me the most common way to Kill a baby? Who cares about the most common way to kill a baby, its still killing him.

Your sort of talking to yourself there. :ehh:

 

[Jacksquat89]

RomanRyan1088:

I hear people in here talking about the baby not feeling it. Ok, lets say that you had no feeling in your right arm, but if someone came up and chopped it off, would it be ok because you had no feeling in that arm? Common people, Pro-Life.

No one ever said because the fetus (baby) cannot feel you can kill it.

 

[Veronica_Anne]

ProLifeAction:

When looking at a picture of an aborted baby all you can think about is what a shame it was for the baby to be intentionally murdered. You don’t make exceptions with this statement whether the baby was conceived out of marriage, rape or incest. It really does not matter.

If a man went and robbed a bank, would it be right for the son or daughter of the father to go to prison because of the sin of their father? The same thing can be said about rape & incest. The son or daughter should not have to be murdered because their father commited sin (rape or incest).

If the baby is not wanted the only moral thing to do is take the baby to term & give the baby to adoptive parents.

A good friend of mine was raped and chose to have her baby, who was the result of that man raping her.

She says it’s the ONE good thing that come from it.

She also says that she couldn’t imagine life without having given birth to her son, who is now an adult and still the apple of her eye.

Yes, she told her son when he was a teenager that his father had raped her. Her son could not have been more supportive of her choice to give birth to him.

It actually brought them even closer together in their already healthy relationship as mother and son.

My friend makes it a point to tell people when the topic of abortion (i.e. “right to choose to commit abortion”) comes up about her having been raped and having her son, anyhow.

She wants to make sure that people who have not been raped and who still think that the woman, “of course” would definitely decide to abort her and the rapists baby have no idea what they’re talking about!

She is doing a campaign to save babies’ lives when she tells her story. And she asks that I tell her story, too, every chance I get.

Here’s stories from other women, who for some reason or other themselves had an abortion.

priestsforlife.org/postabortion/postabortiontestimonywomen.htm