Amazon Synod and Pagan Rituals

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This is ridiculous. Pagan worship doesn’t belong in the vatican. What exactly was the point of this ritual?? The Church is currently in VERY stormy seas.
 
Another of Christ’s commandments: “Make disciples of the nations…”
 
Who cares what St Paul has to say. He was sexist and mean and close minded.

Yes, I am being sarcastic… Unfortunately, some people actually think this way
 
I 100 percent understand how you feel, I feel the same way. But remember, to prevail means to definitively win forever. The Church may become very, VERY ill. She may even lay upon her death bed. But if she gets up again, cured and refreshed, then the gates of hell have not prevailed over her. Christ didn’t promise that the Church wouldn’t suffer…
 
If you read the context, the message comes from Jesus. I guess Protestants would not believe the Holy Spirit guides the Catholic Church though.
 
It wasn’t worship.

So what was this statue? I think I will ignore the news and think of this like archeology. I have been searching for imagery on statues from this area of some fertility goddess. I have yet to find anything. If I find anything, I will post back.

Otherwise, I think it best for to wait for the synod to run its course before judging what will have had happened.
 
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Trying2overcome said:
Another of Christ’s commandments: “Make disciples of the nations…”
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Check your theology, all commandments are contained in the the commandment of charity.

But, what is really reminiscent of your remark is not missionary work!! It’s the bigotry that characterized many of the “false missionaries”, protestant, catholic, or other, who proposed to shove their beliefs down other people’s throats.
APOSTOLIC JOURNEY OF HIS HOLINESS POPE FRANCIS
TO ECUADOR, BOLIVIA AND PARAGUAY
(5-13 JULY 2015)

PARTICIPATION AT THE SECOND WORLD MEETING OF POPULAR MOVEMENTS

ADDRESS OF THE HOLY FATHER

Expo Feria Exhibition Centre, Santa Cruz de la Sierra (Bolivia)
Thursday, 9 July 2015

Here I wish to bring up an important issue. Some may rightly say, “When the Pope speaks of colonialism, he overlooks certain actions of the Church”. I say this to you with regret: many grave sins were committed against the native peoples of America in the name of God. My predecessors acknowledged this, CELAM, the Council of Latin American Bishops, has said it, and I too wish to say it. Like Saint John Paul II, I ask that the Church – I repeat what he said – “kneel before God and implore forgiveness for the past and present sins of her sons and daughters”.
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APOSTOLIC JOURNEY OF HIS HOLINESS POPE FRANCIS
TO MOROCCO
[30-31 MARCH 2019]

MEETING WITH PRIESTS, RELIGIOUS, CONSECRATED PERSONS
AND THE ECUMENICAL COUNCIL OF CHURCHES

ADDRESS OF HIS HOLINESS

Cathedral of of Saint Peter (Rabat)
Sunday, 31 March 2019

This means, dear friends, that our mission as baptized persons, priests and consecrated men and women, is not really determined by the number or size of spaces that we occupy, but rather by our capacity to generate change and to awaken wonder and compassion. We do this by the way we live as disciples of Jesus, in the midst of those with whom we share our daily lives, joys and sorrows, suffering and hopes (cf. Gaudium et Spes , 1). In other words, the paths of mission are not those of proselytism. Please, these paths are not those of proselytism! Let us recall Benedict XVI: “the Church grows not through proselytism, but through attraction, through witness”.

The paths of mission are not those of proselytism, which leads always to a cul-de-sac, but of our way of being with Jesus and with others. The problem is not when we are few in number, but when we are insignificant, salt that has lost the flavour of the Gospel – this is the problem – or lamps that no longer shed light (cf. Mt 5:13-15).
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I may be misunderstanding your post, but are you saying Christ was a bigot? He is the one who commanded his Church to preach the faith, not me.
 
adgloriam said:
@DaveBj any comment from a musical expert?
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I have nothing to add; my alleged expertise doesn’t run to ethno-musicology. The identification in the YT video looks legit to me. With regards to Voris’s comment, and paraphrasing Sigmund Freud, sometimes a pau-de-chuva is just a pau-de-chuva.

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I may be misunderstanding your post, but are you saying Christ was a bigot? He is the one who commanded his Church to preach the faith, not me.
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If you go into the gospels you find a man who accompanies people on their turf. He teaches them to love and to forgive and to pray and repent of sin. There’s not much of teaching rules and forms of worship. Those things are incidental to His mission among people.
 
Roland_Deschain said:
The long and the short of it is that people are going to latch on to this as Pope Francis tacitly approving syncretism and religious relativism. This is not a good thing.
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They have been doing that for some time. He makes a statement about gays on an airplane and the news media is all a buzz with news that this pope may change doctrine on gay marriage. We need to stop and take a breathe.

John Paul II was criticized for allowing a statue of Buddha on the alter as he should have been and the church will hear of the criticism on this event also.

No doctrine has changed, only constant speculation that doctrine will be changed. Are we all happy with some of the things we have witnesses no, but we need to step back a bit, wait and pray.

Agree, that large tube does look like a musical instrument, a rain tube/stick… This is a very common toy for children…
 
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Rules and forms of worship are quite integral to Catholicism (The Mass, the sacraments). Christ Himself gives us many rules to follow. Though obviously they should be kept out of love for God, self, and others. “If you love me, keep my commandments.”
 
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I may be misunderstanding your post
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First off, I’ve been studying Brazilian-Portuguese history my entire life. That includes ecclesiastic history in those respective countries.

Then, in recent memory (latter 20th century) there’s been plenty of harm coming from:
Trying2overcome said:
“Make disciples of the nations…”
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The amount of proselytizing that has been done to the native south-American people is just criminal. In case you don’t know, during the 70’s and 80’s there was a fashion of “US protestant missionaries”, fresh out of college, going to Amazonia trying to forcibly proselytize the Indians.
 
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I think the figure they are talking about is next to that large rain tube/stick. Look at the little man with something sticking out of him. Someone above, however, stated it was his arm
 
of course not. I thought by proselytizing you meant preaching. What exactly do you consider proselytsm?
 
Mark121359 said:
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Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches.”
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Now why do I get the feeling that this is exactly what will be said on here in the future, if say, blessing same sex unions, or women priests is being debated. Such as is the case in the German Church at this very moment. “This is the direction the Spirit is leading us,” they’ll say.
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But doesn’t this give us pause for thought? Especially since Jesus most dire warning was about blaspheming against the Holy Spirit. That’s what always sits with me when I’m discerning whether I trust the guidance of the Holy Father or whether I reject it. I’m not a new Catholic. I’ve lived the faith for my whole life. Different Popes, different season, different world issues. The drama’s about the failings of Popes have swirled around the circumference of the Church as long as I can remember and probably since the beginning. I remember one of the important things I learnt doing the Spiritual Exercises was to be at peace becuse discernment is peaceful. Never make big decisions about faith or life in a state of angst or distress because that is fertile ground for the wrong spirit to take charge.
 
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