Apparitions - Deceptions of Satan?

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jim1130:
How many Marian apparitions have occurred over the centuries? Right away, I can think of Fatima, Lourdes, and Guadalupe. What are the others?
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Here’s a links to The Miracle Hunter listing approved apparitions of the 20th. Century: miraclehunter.com/marian_apparitions/approved_apparitions/approved_table.html

and a list of approved apparitions prior to the 20th. Century: miraclehunter.com/marian_apparitions/approved_apparitions/approved_pre_1900.html
 
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Wildgraywolf:
Interesting… Actually, I don’t recall of hearing of any apparitions to protestants, but that dosen’t mean they don’t happen… Or maybe, and I’m just speculating now, that it has something to do with this:

Mat 13:58* Because they did not have faith, he did not perform many miracles there.*

Now, I am by no means saying that Protestants have no faith, what I am saying is that there may be a difference in the quality of faith between Catholics and Protestants.
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Apparitions and miracles the same?
I don’t see it that way, and I see and hear and read of miracles almost daily
 
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myfavoritmartin:
Apparitions and miracles the same?
I don’t see it that way, and I see and hear and read of miracles almost daily
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lol… I do tend to group apparitions and miracles together simply because of their supernatural nature. While miracles are miracles; miracles often occur as a result of an apparition. So it is difficult to seperate terms when an apparition itself can be considered a miracle and miracles can happen from apparitions.
 
so far you have given a jew and a person at a convent.?
No protestants/evangelicals?
 
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jim1130:
How many Marian apparitions have occurred over the centuries? Right away, I can think of Fatima, Lourdes, and Guadalupe. What are the others?
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Fatima, Lourdes and Guadeloupe are three of those listed as worthy of belief on this website. There are four others on here: Our Lady of Good Success, The Miraculous Medal, La Salette, and Knock:

www.fisheaters.com/apparitions.html
 
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Wildgraywolf:
lol… I do tend to group apparitions and miracles together simply because of their supernatural nature. While miracles are miracles; miracles often occur as a result of an apparition. So it is difficult to seperate terms when an apparition itself can be considered a miracle and miracles can happen from apparitions.
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Apparition:
A ghostly figure; a specter.
A sudden or unusual sight:
The act of appearing; appearance.
Miracle
An event that appears inexplicable by the laws of nature and so is held to be supernatural in origin or an act of God: “Miracles are spontaneous, they cannot be summoned, but come of themselves” (Katherine Anne Porter).
One that excites admiring awe.
 
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myfavoritmartin:
so far you have given a jew and a person at a convent.?
No protestants/evangelicals?
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You are looking for apparitions experienced by Protestants, specifically Evangelicals? I don’t believe I have every heard of anyone in those categories being chosen to receive the message of an apparition. Sorry.

The types of miracles Evangelicals experience seem to be less supernatural and unexplainable by science and more in the category of “odds”. Statistically, if you have a car accident and the car rolls over 5 times - odds are at least once someone will survive that kind of tragedy. I’m not saying walking away from a car accident is *not *a miracle. I’m just saying that science or atheist would have an easier time explaining these kinds of phenomena with “statistical odds”. These kinds of survival stories or amazing recoveries from disease are often described by secular media as stories about “beating the odds”.

Something like the miracles witnessed in connection with an approved apparition, uncorruptible bodies of saints or the Eucharistic miracles do not have easy scientific answers that can be explained by “odds”.
 
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myfavoritmartin:
Apparition:
A ghostly figure; a specter.
A sudden or unusual sight:
The act of appearing; appearance.
Miracle
An event that appears inexplicable by the laws of nature and so is held to be supernatural in origin or an act of God: “Miracles are spontaneous, they cannot be summoned, but come of themselves” (Katherine Anne Porter).
One that excites admiring awe.
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I believe Wildgraywolf is referring to the miracles that have happened during apparitions, for instance the “Miracle of the Sun” at Fatima and the healings that have taken place.
 
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myfavoritmartin:
Not necessarily what he may have been quoting, here are some other references.

Jonah 4:1
Proverbs 3:27
Leviticus 19:18
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Not so. Really, not even close.

Look at the wording:

Jonah 4:1 But it displeased Jonah exceedingly, and he was very angry.

Proverbs 3:27 Withhold not good from them to whom it is due, when it is in the power of thine hand to do it.

Leviticus 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

None of these quotes has the “to them, as you would have them do to you” phrasing.

Christ’s reference can be found in Tobit.
 
Regarding Tobit, from the Protestant sources I have seen, the teaching is that what has become known as “the Golden Rule” appears only once in the Bible. They do not acknowledge that Christ is referring to something from the Old Testament because it is clearly not in their Old Testament.
 
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Eden:
You are looking for apparitions experienced by Protestants, specifically Evangelicals? I don’t believe I have every heard of anyone in those categories being chosen to receive the message of an apparition. Sorry.
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Now that we agree on this.
Let me ask you this do you consider anyone other than Catholics to be christian and worthy of salvation?
 
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myfavoritmartin:
Apparitions and miracles the same?
I don’t see it that way, and I see and hear and read of miracles almost daily
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You mean like when 30,000 people saw the sun fall in the sky at fatima?

It’s interesting that people will accept the word of 12 guys 2000 years ago, but not 30,000 less than a century ago. Satan has power of the earth, but not the heavens. And attributing to Satan the same power as God, well…

Peace and God Bless
Nicene
 
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myfavoritmartin:
Now that we agree on this.
Let me ask you this do you consider anyone other than Catholics to be christian and worthy of salvation?
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I am not the judge of who will be saved. I abhor being asked by anyone whether someone else is worthy of salvation. It is an exercise in futility as I cannot look into the heart of anyone in the way that God does. The practice by some Protestants of deciding who is saved and who is not is, I feel, not a witness of Christian humility.
 
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myfavoritmartin:
Now that we agree on this.
Let me ask you this do you consider anyone other than Catholics to be christian and worthy of salvation?
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If you read the catechism you would know the answer to this question. (And I suspect you already do)

Peaqce and God Bless
Nicene
 
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Batjacboy:
Not so. Really, not even close.

Leviticus 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

Christ’s reference can be found in Tobit.
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You don’t think this is even close? :confused:
 
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Eden:
I am not the judge of who will be saved. I abhor being asked by anyone whether someone else is worthy of salvation. It is an exercise in futility as I cannot look into the heart of anyone in the way that God does.
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But that is a protestant conception. If asked by certain sects of protestant who will be saved, it’s an invisible church. Anyone who believes in Christ is saved, unless of course your catholic then you aren’t part of that invisible church. So apparently the invisible church isn’t so invisible but has visible boundries.

Peace and God Bless
Nicene
 
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myfavoritmartin:
Apparition:
A ghostly figure; a specter.
A sudden or unusual sight:
The act of appearing; appearance.
Miracle
An event that appears inexplicable by the laws of nature and so is held to be supernatural in origin or an act of God: “Miracles are spontaneous, they cannot be summoned, but come of themselves” (Katherine Anne Porter).
One that excites admiring awe.
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Oh, okay. I see where you’re comming from… Do you imply then that people can summon apparitions of Jesus, Mary or anyone? In all of the apparitions I’m familiar with no one has summoned anyone to appear. I would say that apparitions at least in the Catholic context happen spontaneously and are not summoned.
 
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Wildgraywolf:
Oh, okay. I see where you’re comming from… Do you imply then that people can summon apparitions of Jesus, Mary or anyone? In all of the apparitions I’m familiar with no one has summoned anyone to appear. I would say that apparitions at least in the Catholic context happen spontaneously and are not summoned.
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Never heard of one that was summoned yet.

Peace and God Bless
Nicene
 
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myfavoritmartin:
You don’t think this is even close? :confused:
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Not even close.

Christ specifically says in Matthew 7:12: All things therefore whatsoever you would that men should do to you, do you also to them.

He does not use the term “love” here (as was used in Leviticus), and Leviticus does not use the “do to them as you would have them do to you” phrasing.

Leviticus here is similar to the second of Christ’s Great Commandments. It is not the Golden Rule.
 
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