Archbishop Warns Obama: You’ll Cause 'Conflict Between Church and State of Enormous Proportions’

[vz71]

So the DOMA that you feel is being corroded and rendered meaningless by the evil satanic elements of the homosexual community, is in your opinion an attack on your catholic conscience, being perpetrated by the state?

And discussion of the homosexual community’s view about the degree and true origins of their sins is an off topic subject?

Surely the mods would have been kind enough to warn me of my off topic encroachments by now, friend?

jomoco

Surely if the topic were truly close to your heart and needed resolution, you would find opportunity to post a thread for it in the apologetics area.

I am sure that the group that hangs around there is much better at arguing the minutia of dogma then those of us in the news forum.

And I am certain your questions can be answered to your satisfaction.

For now though…
It is great to see a Bishop standing up for church teaching so publicly.

 

[qui_est_ce]

So the DOMA that you feel is being corroded and rendered meaningless by the evil satanic elements of the homosexual community, is in your opinion an attack on your catholic conscience, being perpetrated by the state?

I did not see those words in the Archbishop’s letter.

And discussion of the homosexual community’s view about the degree and true origins of their sins is an off topic subject?

Again, not relevant, belongs in the apologetics section. The Archbishop is defending the Catholic POV. Argue the merits of his letter here, Catholic Teaching in Apologetics. The portion dealing with homosexual behavior was only one of many other points the Archbishop pointed out. If you don’t think homosexual behavior corrodes DOMA, argue that rather than attack Catholicism’s opposition to homosexual behavior.

Surely the mods would have been kind enough to warn me of my off topic encroachments by now, friend?

If you’re reported, they would warn you. Obviously that hasn’t happened.

 

[estesbob]

For now though…
It is great to see a Bishop standing up for church teaching so publicly.

Could not agree more! And with the recent installation of Archbishop Chaput into the archdiocese of Philadelphia we are going to see more of this on the east coast

 

[qui_est_ce]

It is great to see a Bishop standing up for church teaching so publicly.

 

[scipio337]

The fact that either a contained masturbatory, or homosexual act, being consumated, can then be used to create life when joined with a female egg, or eggs in the proper sequence, whether naturally or in a scientific clinic, quite effectively shades any black or white definitive answer into a more veiled modern shade of grayish brown, scientifically speaking.

God may indeed jive with our future, far more effectively than He has our past.

jomoco

I think I just threw up in my mouth a little.

I’ve never seen that level of moral equivalency, combined with logical gymnastics.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

Could not agree more! And with the recent installation of Archbishop Chaput into the archdiocese of Philadelphia we are going to see more of this on the east coast

In Philadelphia, anyway. There are bishops who guard their perogatives and who may be lukewarm about a bishop from another diocese giving advice to his flock.

 

[qui_est_ce]

In Philadelphia, anyway. There are bishops who guard their perogatives and who may be lukewarm about a bishop from another diocese giving advice to his flock.

I think it’s going to be a matter of osmosis. The bishops are starting to speak up instead of cringing in their little corners.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

It is great to see a Bishop standing up for church teaching so publicly.

I’ve not seen many who shy away from standing up for Church teaching. My bishop does stand up for it. More publicity, however, is given Bp Chaput because he is more vocal across the board - q.v. his feud with the New York Times.

 

[jomoco]

I think I just threw up in my mouth a little.

I’ve never seen that level of moral equivalency, combined with logical gymnastics.

Does modern science scare you?

Is it too, going to be summarily declared off topic?

Kind of a onesided discussion of how catholic consciences’ are under attack at that rate friend.

jomoco

 

[The_Reginator]

So the fact that homosexual sin is integral to the body of the original post’s topic, somehow renders discussion and debate of that subject off topic in your opinion?

An interesting and perhaps even telling judgement on your part friend?

jomoco

jomoco,

Maybe you’d be more interested in
Is it objectively meaningful and functionally correct to class Same Sex Attraction as a genuine form of human Sexuality?
or
The Current Political Climate & The Gay Identity

You have taken this thread and set it on your own ‘agenda’ (I hate using that word sometimes). These other threads are already discussing your concerns … and I don’t see your name in either one of them.

-]Please don’t go away mad,/-] Please don’t go away. Just discuss the bishop’s letter and any news related to it.

• Thanks, Reg.

 

[qui_est_ce]

jomoco,

Maybe you’d be more interested in
Is it objectively meaningful and functionally correct to class Same Sex Attraction as a genuine form of human Sexuality?
or
The Current Political Climate & The Gay Identity

You have taken this thread and set it on your own ‘agenda’ (I hate using that word sometimes). These other threads are already discussing your concerns … and I don’t see your name in either one of them.

-]Please don’t go away mad,/-] Please don’t go away. Just discuss the bishop’s letter and any news related to it.

• Thanks, Reg.

Man, those threads are getting so tiresome.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

Man, those threads are getting so tiresome.

'Round and round the mulberry bush.

 

[Monte_RCMS]

If you take the money from the government, then you BELONG to the government.

 

[Swiss_Guy]

If you take the money from the government, then you BELONG to the government.

Not necessarily.

Man, these threads are so conservative.

Welfare is a good thing.

 

[jomoco]

Not necessarily.

Man, these threads are so conservative.

Welfare is a good thing.

Nah, real conservatives believe in the principle of fiscal conservatism enough that like Dwight D, they paid even as high as a 90% upper bracket marginal taxrate to fulfil their fiscal duty, and keep their burdens off the shoulders of their children and grandchildren.

No, today’s neoconservative GOP get their principles from wolfowitz and cheney, who set the precedent for lowering taxes during wartime as a means of meeting their fiscal duties, even though the math used by them is completely antithetical to ever fulfilling that goal.

It’s complete baloney, and over 80% of Americans aint buyin it.

jomoco

 

[Swiss_Guy]

Nah, real conservatives believe in the principle of fiscal conservatism enough that like Dwight D, they paid even as high as a 90% upper bracket marginal taxrate to fulfil their fiscal duty, and keep their burdens off the shoulders of their children and grandchildren.

No, today’s neoconservative GOP get their principles from wolfowitz and cheney, who set the precedent for lowering taxes during wartime as a means of meeting their fiscal duties, even though the math used by them is completely antithetical to ever fulfilling that goal.

It’s complete baloney, and over 80% of Americans aint buyin it.

jomoco

Eisenhower is one of my favorite presidents (interstate highways are very useful ).

 

[estesbob]

Nah, real conservatives believe in the principle of fiscal conservatism enough that like Dwight D, they paid even as high as a 90% upper bracket marginal taxrate to fulfil their fiscal duty, and keep their burdens off the shoulders of their children and grandchildren.

And paid an effective tax rate that is nearly the same today. . The difference between today and the days of Dwight D is about twice as many people pay no federal income tax today than they did in the 50s.

No, today’s neoconservative GOP get their principles from wolfowitz and cheney, who set the precedent for lowering taxes during wartime as a means of meeting their fiscal duties, even though the math used by them is completely antithetical to ever fulfilling that goal.

There we go with the neo-conservative label again

It’s complete baloney, and over 80% of Americans aint buyin it.

jomoco

. I thought it was 99%? !

 

[estesbob]

Eisenhower is one of my favorite presidents (interstate highways are very useful ).

there is an obscure monument Washingto, DC that shows the start of the auto/truck convoy Eisenhower made on behalf of the Army in the early 1920s from Washington DC to the West Coast. . It took him several months and that, added . His experience in Europe in World War II, convinced him that we needed a modern highway system linking the country in case we ever got involved a the war in the continental United States.

 

[donsnow]

From the Bishop’s letter:

From the article you’ve linked to Don:

So clearly, with this anti-life and anti-family agenda, both the Church and the state suffers.
The Church receives less money for charitable works and the state looses a valuable institution to carry out those works.
WHAT A MESS!

Good evening, Reginator,

I think you’ve summed it up nicely.

What bothers me, is the impression that prostitutes may not be helped out of prostitution by the HHS, but rather unwittingly find themselves maintained in prostitution because of the lack of the Church.

As well, the article mentioned immigrants. And, I know the Church has offices to help refugee immigrants seeking sanctuary in America from hardship or crime … even from being killed. What will the HHS do with these?

God loves you,
Don

 

[Swiss_Guy]

there is an obscure monument Washingto, DC that shows the start of the auto/truck convoy Eisenhower made on behalf of the Army in the early 1920s from Washington DC to the West Coast. . It took him several months and that, added . His experience in Europe in World War II, convinced him that we needed a modern highway system linking the country in case we ever got involved a the war in the continental United States.

Thanks for the history lesson.