Democratic convention

[JimG]

This woman will not be voting for Obama.

 

[PTL]

Thank your for your honesty…admitting that President Obama does not require worship…

John

Please note Mao required 100% worship. And I said in US, it is not the same degree **yet **. It is very chilling, not just my opinion. Go watch the documentary movie 2016. Any person has a clear mind and an informed conscience will agree.

 

[ringil]

I’ll be praying for the conversion of your soul, if not your mind.

Oh scott, don’t inject seriousness into my toying with more interesting posters.

I enjoy having dialogue when I read the less “subtle” ideas expressed.

 

[oldcelt]

And I said in US, it is not the same degree yet .

Not even close…
Although, there are some who could be easily accused of hero worship/personality cult when it comes to the President. As I said earlier, perhaps on another thread, this is not uncommon in either party.

John

 

[datritle]

Is it too soon to remind everyone that voting in accordance with such ideas is not something a Catholic should do? The denial of life trumps all other considerations. These women may never utter the word “abortion” but they will advocate both contraception and abortion in order to facilitate their lifestyle.

I know that some persons, under the banner of “Social Justice”, will point to programs for the poor offsetting the grave evil that is abortion, and thus state that their vote is for those things, not for abortion, and justify their vote that way. I’ve seen this before, and I’ve heard this before.

To any such persons I will always reply that Jesus said WE were obligated to do charity, to help the poor, feed the hungry, cloth the naked, visit the sick and those in prison. He never said we should outsource our personal obligation to the government which will then forcibly extract that “charity” from everyone. It’s no longer charity then. Charity only exists in a state of voluntary giving.

Genuine philanthropy is done in person, not through the lens of a telescope.

Have none of you guys ever tken political philosophy or social studies or any such basic course? Government is the expression of a collective of individuals. it’s not some us against them situation. it’s not the middle ages. we aren’t serfs. the gov’t does things that small groups of individuals can’t possibly do. build roads, build infrastructure, safety net, etc. no man is an island, and we NEED to come together as a society to serve the “LEAST AMONG US”. thats not anti-christian. stop using your religion as an excuse for your hateful politics. that goes for everyone here.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Oh scott, don’t inject seriousness into my toying with more interesting posters.

I enjoy having dialogue when I read the less “subtle” ideas expressed.

So, just your mind then…

 

[oldcelt]

Protesters descend on Charlotte

content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2012/09/protesters-descend-on-charlotte/1

Guess they all have the same problems. I thought a communist would know how to deal with this.

John

 

[_Abyssinia]

Bill Clinton on Obama: ‘A Few Years Ago, This Guy Would Have Been Carrying Our Bags’

Former President Bill Clinton tried to get former senator Ted Kennedy to endorse Hillary Clinton for president in the 2008 election by describing Barack Obama this way: “A few years ago, this guy would have been carrying our bags.”

This anecdote is revealed in a New Yorker

article on the relationship between Bill Clinton and Obama:

Tim Russert told me that, according to his sources, Bill Clinton, in an effort to secure an endorsement for Hillary from Ted Kennedy, said to Kennedy, “A few years ago, this guy would have been carrying our bags.”

Clinton is giving a keynote address at the Democratic convention this week in Charlotte, North Carolina.

weeklystandard.com/blogs/bill-clinton-obama-few-years-ago-guy-would-have-been-carrying-our-bags_651489.html

 

[_Abyssinia]

Bill Clinton on Obama: ‘A Few Years Ago, This Guy Would Have Been Carrying Our Bags’

Former President Bill Clinton tried to get former senator Ted Kennedy to endorse Hillary Clinton for president in the 2008 election by describing Barack Obama this way: “A few years ago, this guy would have been carrying our bags.”

This anecdote is revealed in a New Yorker

article on the relationship between Bill Clinton and Obama:

Tim Russert told me that, according to his sources, Bill Clinton, in an effort to secure an endorsement for Hillary from Ted Kennedy, said to Kennedy, “A few years ago, this guy would have been carrying our bags.”

Clinton is giving a keynote address at the Democratic convention this week in Charlotte, North Carolina.

weeklystandard.com/blogs/bill-clinton-obama-few-years-ago-guy-would-have-been-carrying-our-bags_651489.html

 

[ishii]

Bill Clinton on Obama: ‘A Few Years Ago, This Guy Would Have Been Carrying Our Bags’

weeklystandard.com/blogs/bill-clinton-obama-few-years-ago-guy-would-have-been-carrying-our-bags_651489.html

The Democrats are basically racists - they empower a few minority activists - Jesse Jackson, e.g. and a handfull of politicians, but as for the other 98% - they keep them down “where they belong.” - carrying bags, etc. by keeping them dependent on welfare and handouts. And they make sure the minorities abort their babies. What a group, these Democrats. I don’t believe a Catholic can in good conscience vote for any of them.

Ishii

 

[CaptFun]

This woman will not be voting for Obama.

Thanks for posting Melissa’s story. The stories of others, like Gianna Jessen’s and Rebecca Kiesslings and Sarah Smith.

Here is Sarah’s testimony as an “abortion survivor” rather the opposite of the women the Democratic Party is featuring so prominently.

prolife.com/SARAH2.html

 

[_Abyssinia]

Newt Gingrich blasts Thomas Friedman on abortion, Biden on race, Rove on Todd Akin remarks

Gingrich - And– and– and– I’m– I’m frankly, fed up, with the one-sided bias, okay. Let me give you two examples. Vice president of the United States goes to a black audience and says if the Republicans win you will be in chains. Now, where is the– how can Biden remain as vice president? Where is the outrage over overt, deliberate racism? And we talk about people saying things they ought to get off tickets. How come Biden shouldn’t get off the ticket? Second example, the Democratic Party plank on abortion is the most extreme plank in the United States. The president of United States voted three times to protect the right of doctors to kill babies who came out of abortion still alive. That plank says tax-paid abortion at any moment of– of, meaning, partial birth abortion, that’s a 20 percent issue. The vast majority of women do not believe the taxpayers should pay to abort a child in the eighth or ninth month. Now why isn’t it shocking that the Democrats on the social issue of abortion have taken the most extreme position in this country and they couldn’t defend their position for a day if it was made clear and a vivid– as vivid as all the effort is made to paint Republicans?

Mr Friedman - I’m a Planned Parenthood Democrat on– on– on the issue of– of choice. And I think that that is where the country should be. That is where many, many women in this country are. And I’m glad there are people running for the presidency who will defend that position. Period. Paragraph. End it.

Greogry - Newt, I guess the question, too, is whether– whether you’re seeking even in the Akin example of this kind of to seek an equivalency between that and say, Biden, who is using language that Republicans have used about, you know, the regulatory shackles, as opposed to making an overt racial…

Gingrich - Biden was not talking to a black audience about regulatory shackles, okay. But– but I’m making– I’m making– let me go back to Tom’s point, because I’m– so– so you think it’s acceptable to have a party committed to tax-paid abortion in the eighth and ninth month? And you think that’s a sustainable position in the United States. If the news media spent as much time on the extremism of the Democrats as they spend trying to attack us, you would– they would not be able to adopt that plank this week.

Mr Friedman - Yeah, I– I do believe that’s a defensible position but I also believe I’m– I’m here as a journalist, I’ll let the Democratic Party defend it.

dailycaller.com/2012/09/02/newt-gingrich-blasts-thomas-friedman-on-abortion-biden-on-race-rove-on-todd-akin-remarks

 

[PTL]

The Democrats are basically racists - they empower a few minority activists - Jesse Jackson, e.g. and a handfull of politicians, but as for the other 98% - they keep them down “where they belong.” - carrying bags, etc. by keeping them dependent on welfare and handouts. And they make sure the minorities abort their babies. What a group, these Democrats. I don’t believe a Catholic can in good conscience vote for any of them.

Ishii

Totally agree!!

 

[CatholcCrusader]

Yep, and the most truly revolting thing of all is that about half the people in America who claim to be Catholic will vote for that abomination.

Sometimes I wish the Pope would just make a sweeping excommunication of all “pro-choice” Catholics (and I choke on that phrase).

I am Catholic and I will be voting for Obama mr. Crusader! :knight1:

So you are in favor of murdering children by abortion and same-sex marriage. Don’t say you are not, because a vote for the people who keep those things legal is a vote to keep those things legal.

I suggest you read the Catholic Answers Voters’ Guide, especially bullet points 1 and 5:

“The Five Non-Negotiables”

Video: youtube.com/watch?v=N4HMaf7GEwU&feature=player_embedded

Five items that no Catholic can vote in favor of:

1. Abortion: The Church teaches that, regarding a law permitting abortions, it is “never licit to obey it, or to take part in a propaganda campaign in favor of such a law, or to vote for it” (EV 73). Abortion is the intentional and direct killing of an innocent human being, and therefore it is a form of homicide. The unborn child is always an innocent party, and no law may permit the taking of his life. Even when a child is conceived through rape or incest, the fault is not the child’s, who should not suffer death for others’ sins. Another sub-set issue within this subject area that is non-negotiable pertains to Human Reproductive Technologies, which includes the Church’s position against Contraception, In-Vitro Fertilization and Sterilization.
2. Euthanasia: Often disguised by the name "mercy killing;’ euthanasia is also a form of homicide. No person has a right to take his own life, and no one has the right to take the life of any innocent person. In euthanasia, the ill or elderly are killed, by action or omission, out of a misplaced sense of compassion, but true compassion cannot include intentionally doing something intrinsically evil to another person (cf. EV 73).
3. Embryonic Stem Cell Research: Human embryos are human beings. “Respect for the dignity of the human being excludes all experimental manipulation or exploitation of the human embryo” (CRF 4b). Recent scientific advances show that medical treatments that researchers hope to develop from experimentation on embryonic stem cells can often be developed by using adult stem cells instead. Adult stem cells can be obtained without doing harm to the adults from whom they come. Thus there is no valid medical argument in favor of using embryonic stem cells. And even if there were benefits to be had from such experiments, they would not justify destroying innocent embryonic humans.
4. Human Cloning: “Attempts … for obtaining a human being without any connection with sexuality through ‘twin fission,’ cloning, or parthenogenesis are to be considered contrary to the moral law, since they are in opposition to the dignity both of human procreation and of the conjugal union” (RHL 1:6). Human cloning also involves abortion because the “rejected” or “unsuccessful” embryonic clones are destroyed, yet each clone is a human being.
5. Homosexual “Marriage”: True marriage is the union of one man and one woman. Legal recognition of any other union as “marriage” undermines true marriage, and legal recognition of homosexual unions actually does homosexual persons a disfavor by encouraging them to persist in what is an objectively immoral arrangement. “When legislation in favor of the recognition of homosexual unions is proposed for the first time ina legislative assembly, the Catholic lawmaker has a moral duty to express his opposition clearly and publicly and to vote against it. To vote in favor of a law so harmful to the common good is gravely immoral” (UHP 10).

 

[ringil]

So you are in favor of murdering children by abortion and same-sex marriage. Don’t say you are not, because a vote for the people who keep those things legal is a vote to keep those things legal.

I suggest you read the Catholic Answers Voters’ Guide, especially bullet points 1 and 5:

“The Five Non-Negotiables”

Video: youtube.com/watch?v=N4HMaf7GEwU&feature=player_embedded

Five items that no Catholic can vote in favor of:

1. Abortion: The Church teaches that, regarding a law permitting abortions, it is “never licit to obey it, or to take part in a propaganda campaign in favor of such a law, or to vote for it” (EV 73). Abortion is the intentional and direct killing of an innocent human being, and therefore it is a form of homicide. The unborn child is always an innocent party, and no law may permit the taking of his life. Even when a child is conceived through rape or incest, the fault is not the child’s, who should not suffer death for others’ sins. Another sub-set issue within this subject area that is non-negotiable pertains to Human Reproductive Technologies, which includes the Church’s position against Contraception, In-Vitro Fertilization and Sterilization.
2. Euthanasia: Often disguised by the name "mercy killing;’ euthanasia is also a form of homicide. No person has a right to take his own life, and no one has the right to take the life of any innocent person. In euthanasia, the ill or elderly are killed, by action or omission, out of a misplaced sense of compassion, but true compassion cannot include intentionally doing something intrinsically evil to another person (cf. EV 73).
3. Embryonic Stem Cell Research: Human embryos are human beings. “Respect for the dignity of the human being excludes all experimental manipulation or exploitation of the human embryo” (CRF 4b). Recent scientific advances show that medical treatments that researchers hope to develop from experimentation on embryonic stem cells can often be developed by using adult stem cells instead. Adult stem cells can be obtained without doing harm to the adults from whom they come. Thus there is no valid medical argument in favor of using embryonic stem cells. And even if there were benefits to be had from such experiments, they would not justify destroying innocent embryonic humans.
4. Human Cloning: “Attempts … for obtaining a human being without any connection with sexuality through ‘twin fission,’ cloning, or parthenogenesis are to be considered contrary to the moral law, since they are in opposition to the dignity both of human procreation and of the conjugal union” (RHL 1:6). Human cloning also involves abortion because the “rejected” or “unsuccessful” embryonic clones are destroyed, yet each clone is a human being.
5. Homosexual “Marriage”: True marriage is the union of one man and one woman. Legal recognition of any other union as “marriage” undermines true marriage, and legal recognition of homosexual unions actually does homosexual persons a disfavor by encouraging them to persist in what is an objectively immoral arrangement. “When legislation in favor of the recognition of homosexual unions is proposed for the first time ina legislative assembly, the Catholic lawmaker has a moral duty to express his opposition clearly and publicly and to vote against it. To vote in favor of a law so harmful to the common good is gravely immoral” (UHP 10).

I prefer to listen to the Bishops mr. sir. knight crusader.

 

[Swiss_Guy]

I am Catholic and I will be voting for Obama mr. Crusader! :knight1:

Why? Really, I just don’t understand. Maybe you could PM me or something because I actually want to understand why Catholics would vote for Obama. It just doesn’t make any sense to me.

 

[CatholcCrusader]

I prefer to listen to the Bishops mr. sir. knight crusader.

Really? Is there a bishop that says abortion is okay? Is there a bishop that says same-sex marriage is okay? I think you are listening to Oprah, not the bishops.

I repeat: A vote for the people who keep those things legal is a vote to keep those things legal.

 

[seekerz]

Have none of you guys ever tken political philosophy or social studies or any such basic course? Government is the expression of a collective of individuals. it’s not some us against them situation. it’s not the middle ages. we aren’t serfs. the gov’t does things that small groups of individuals can’t possibly do. build roads, build infrastructure, safety net, etc. no man is an island, and we NEED to come together as a society to serve the “LEAST AMONG US”. thats not anti-christian. stop using your religion as an excuse for your hateful politics. that goes for everyone here.

Ah, but we are islands in the stream, Datritle. Stick around and you’ll get used to it…

 

[Jeanne_S]

The Democrats are basically racists - they empower a few minority activists - Jesse Jackson, e.g. and a handfull of politicians, but as for the other 98% - they keep them down “where they belong.” - carrying bags, etc. by keeping them dependent on welfare and handouts. And they make sure the minorities abort their babies. What a group, these Democrats. I don’t believe a Catholic can in good conscience vote for any of them.

Ishii

So many have blinders on

 

[CaptFun]

I am Catholic and I will be voting for Obama mr. Crusader! :knight1:

At first I couldn’t make much sense of this statement. But then …

It’s genius! Here in the midst of the Obama years is a new job possibility. A new genre of comedy. Well it is a bit similar to the “demonstrating absurdity by being absurd” thing the Rush Limbaugh show does sometimes (which is also much funnier to those “in the know” if some people aren’t); but this might be a good “car game” for the kids to play on those family cross-country trips.

I am Catholic and I will be voting for Obama take the original statement.

I am _________ and __________________. Create blanks and fill them in with contradictory terms! Nonsequiturs! Baffling incongruities! How fun.

Some examples

I am a bricklayer and I like to use Jello Chocolate Pudding for mortar!

Germane to the thread:

I am a conventioneer and I like to drink milk and lead prayer groups.

and

I am a Democrat and ____________________. fill in the blank (funny).