Democratic convention

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meltzerboy said:
You don’t think the GOP has done a rather successful job in pitting groups against each other, such as favoring the rich by means of tax breaks and planning to cut essential programs, for example Medicaid, for the poor? And they haven’t been so good at ingratiating themselves toward gay people either, have they?
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No, I think the tax cuts they propose are across the board for everyone, not for one group. And their proposed budget cutting measures are born of a desire to save entitlments rather than go bankrupt like Greece and endanger them completely. The Republicans generally don’t pick a group and try to engratiate themselves to them - they try to appeal to common sense - fiscal sanity, free-market economics, etc. The liberal Democrat brags, “we have 10% minorities in our group, we’re inclusive.” The Republicans say, “if you believe in free market economics, opportunity and less government, then come join us.” They don’t care what color or group you belong to.

Ishii
 
_Abyssinia said:
Will never stop trying because the unborn deserve to be protected and if it can be shown to 1 person who is in the dark its worth it
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Keep it up, and don’t get discouraged - you are doing good work.

Ishii
 
meltzerboy said:
It’s unusual for the Democratic Party to appear unified, thinking of past conventions. And the RNC wasn’t actually so unified this year, although the dissenting Ron Paul constituents were hidden from view.
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If you watched the convention, it would have appeared unified. That said, there are plenty of liberal Democrats who have been disappointed with Obama. They have said so on this forum. If you want to pretend you are all unified, go ahead.
 
rlg94086 said:
Why does a political party need to “ingratiate” itself to a group?
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I was responding to ishii’s comment that the Democratic Party has divided people, including gays and straights. I think the Republican Party needs no help from the Democrats on that score.
 
meltzerboy said:
I was responding to ishi’s comment that the Democratic Party has divided people, including gays and straights. I think the Republican Party needs no help from the Democrats on that score.
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Gay-straight relationships don’t work. One will eventually leave the other. Division is probably the better course. 😉
 
rlg94086 said:
If you watched the convention, it would have appeared unified. That said, there are plenty of liberal Democrats who have been disappointed with Obama. They have said so on this forum. If you want to pretend you are all unified, go ahead.
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Comparatively speaking, I think we are unified, in large part because of our opposition to the Republicans. Same for the Republicans, I suppose, in reverse. Does that mean we all think and behave in lockstep? Of course not.
 
i am not a democrat and i will not vote for Obama, but, in all fairness, i thought i heard julian castro say God Bless America at the end of his speech tonight. i was tired so maybe i heard incorrectly. i couldn’t stand to listen to the whole speech that michelle gave so i don’t know how she ended her speech.

i wonder if everyone who calls themselves a democrat really knows everything the democrat party stands for. maybe more democrats will be leaving their party like i did a long time ago. i wasn’t a serious democrat. i voted for whomever i felt was right for the job. there is no way, however, i could ever register again as a democrat considering what the party stands for now.
 
rlg94086 said:
I don’t think two brothers (one of the pairings I listed 😛 ) or two sisters can have off spring, so you are okay with that? How about the post-menopausal mother with her son? No offspring, so okay?
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I figured I better bump this, meltzerboy, because you seem stumped and/or missed my post.
 
meltzerboy said:
Comparatively speaking, I think we are unified, in large part because of our opposition to the Republicans. Same for the Republicans, I suppose, in reverse. Does that mean we all think and behave in lockstep? Of course not.
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Exactly my point. Thank you for reinforcing it. 👍
 
it should be the point!
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You do realize that this part of the thread was hours ago and has absolutely nothing to do with the current topics, right?

John
 
meltzerboy said:
Are you referring specifically to contraception or to comprehensive health care? If the latter, I don’t think it’s hypocritical because who nowadays can pay out-of-pocket for prescription drugs, medical exams and surgical procedures with the high cost of health care?
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I was referring to all aspects of a persons private life. Asking for money from the government (or anything else) is inviting the government into your private life. Rather hypocritical to invite them in and then complain about them being there.
 
rlg94086 said:
I figured I better bump this, meltzerboy, because you seem stumped and/or missed my post.
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Am I required to answer everything? I guess so. OK, if no one is hurt and the relationship is consensual, I reluctantly approve from a legal perspective. Do I think it is morally advisable? Probably not. I don’t think adultery is advisable either, and this does hurt other people; but we cannot legislate all moral values.
 
_Abyssinia said:
Michelle Obama said, 'and he believes that women are more than capable of making our own choices about our bodies and our health care. ‘That’s what my husband stands for’

Clearly she is referencing abortion but does not have the guts to say the word as none of the pro abortion speakers will

And she said ‘creating jobs again’ :whistle:

Reading the speeches from her and Julian Castro, it seems like they were trying to sell themselves more than sell Obama and Castro’s speech sounds similar to Marco Rubio’s

Julian Castro is not telling the truth, he said Mitt Romney wants to dismantle the middle class but median household incomes has dropped $4300 under Obama, 1 in 6 in poverty. he is accusing Romney of what Obama has done\

Castro said ‘Obama brings jobs home.’ Obama has used stimulus money to create jobs overseas, he is an outsourcer in chief and his jobs council is filled with outsourcing companies
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i was not impressed with julian castro’s speech tonight and i was not impressed with michelle obama’s speech either. michelle was so sickening sweet and had that air about her again that she and barack were such wonderful people and deserved to have another 4 years and what would America do without such wonderful people as the Obamas. i thought she was fake and i couldn’t even watch her entire speech. thank goodness i turned off the tv around the time she was giving us the grim details of when she and barack were poor. oh, the suffering!! barack and his rusted car and the coffee table he dug out of the dumpster! who are they trying to kid?
julian castro just didn’t do a thing for me. he looked kind of sleezy. like rahm emanuel.
he told a lot of untruths about mitt romney.
 
meltzerboy said:
Am I required to answer everything? I guess so. OK, if no one is hurt and the relationship is consensual, I reluctantly approve from a legal perspective. Do I think it is morally advisable? Probably not. But I don’t think adultery is advisable either, but we cannot legislate all morality.
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Just trying to figure out your boundaries. Most liberals scoff at the complaint that legalizing same-sex marriage will lead to polygamy, incest, etc. You seem to embrace more than the average liberal (no pun intended on the “embrace” part).
 
Dawnia said:
I was referring to all aspects of a persons private life. Asking for money from the government (or anything else) is inviting the government into your private life. Rather hypocritical to invite them in and then complain about them being there.
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I’m not so sure about that. In the first case, you’re inviting them in because you need assistance to survive. In the second case, they’re coming in uninvited. I think there’s a difference, and isn’t the latter what the Republicans are complaining about when it comes to Obamacare?
 
DNC hit a grand slam on opening night. David Gergen, former advisor to 3 Republican Presidents and Bill Clinton, said on CNN, 2 more nights like this and the Democrats could pull away.

Showing Senator Kennedy’s debate with Mitt Romney when Romney was pro choice and Kennedy saying Mitt was multiple choice on issues was a good start. It was mentioned that Mitt Romney did not say anything about the troops in Afghanistan last wk at his convention. Gov Deval Patrick did a good job exposing to the American people Romney’s failed record in Mass. It was my first time hearing San Antonio Mayor Julian Castro speak. But I remember in 2004 listening to Barack Obama speak for the first time and saying to myself I had just witnessed the first African American President. I thought as I listened to Mayor Castro that he could someday be the first Latino President. I loved his line about how Romney told Ohio college students to just borrow money from their parents and open a business. And Mayor Castro saying why didn’t I think of that! He also did a good job discussing the need to invest in things such as education, that you can’t be pro business without being pro education. Explained Democrats understand that sometimes people need help pulling up their boot straps. And pointed out Mitt Romney was for healthcare before he was against it. First Lady Michelle Obama was great as usual. Speaking of family and the President’s and her backgrounds. And how President Obama turned down jobs which would have paid a lot more money, to work instead in communities to serve people. Because to Barack Obama success is not determined by how much money you make.

The theme of forward not back was a good one. There were many speakers who brought it home. One of the most touching who actually brought tears to my eyes was the mother whose 6 yr old due to a heart condition had already used a huge amount of her lifetime health care benefits cap before Obamacare.

And how for her daughter and all those with pre existing conditions, we can not turn back.

All in all a great night showing how Mitt Romney, Paul Ryan, and the Republican Party are out of touch with most of the American people.
 
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