Do Catholics really want to be aligned with MAGA?

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A lot of ex-military like Trump, this old timer at Church always brings his MAGA cap, another Catholic down the street has the bumperstickers. I can be supportive of MAGA without being aligned.
Again, I will go with the opinion of numerous Popes who find the pro-life issue of great importance rather than dismissing it as a mortal sin affecting the individual primarily. The ramifications of being pro-life certainly reach through our whole society, some societies are close to breaking down because they can’t replace their population. Humanae Vitae by St. John Paul II addresses this.

The Holy See has spoken and I think it is unjust if some downplay what is at stake; this is what they have been told in Church. They are trying to do their duty as good Catholics, the fault is not with those trying to faithfully fulfill what the church asks of them.

Mother Teresa also, seemed to find it very important. Whom am I to argue on this point?
 
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Victoria33 said:
Again, I will go with the opinion of numerous Popes who find the pro-life issue of great importance rather than dismissing it as a mortal sin affecting the individual primarily.
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Abortion is a straw man on this website, as it is when dealing with Catholicism. No one is arguing it.
 
pnewton said:
This may be reading too much into MAGA, but this is just my opinion.
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I believe you are, and believe you should reconsider.
Make America Great Again says that this country is no longer what it once was and should be.
And considering that when the slogan appeared we were experiencing an incredibly bad economy, they were not far off.
 
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No one is arguing it.
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I disagree, making contentious remarks that it is a mortal sin like gluttony or any of the other mortal sins seems to be a point of contention. Why even mention it then? It seemed to be downgrading the seriousness of it. All I said was numerous Popes and Mother Teresa have reiterated how grave it is.

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While abortion is a mortal sin, Catholics ought not align with any mortal sin, including pride and greed. So that might be one problem.
gracepoole said:
I don’t want to beat a dead horse here. And it’s clear that you believe it’s important to vote for Trump because he claims to be pro-life. That’s fine
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I believe in voting for the pro-life candidate, not that I believe in voting for Trump because he is pro-life. I’d vote for Obama or Robert Menendez if they were pro-life. That may not negate what you said but I think it is important to clarify this point.
 
To be actively pro-life is to contribute to the renewal of society through the promotion of the common good. It is impossible to further the common good without acknowledging and defending the right to life, upon which all the other inalienable rights of individuals are founded and from which they develop. A society lacks solid foundations when, on the one hand, it asserts values such as the dignity of the person, justice and peace, but then, on the other hand, radically acts to the contrary by allowing or tolerating a variety of ways in which human life is devalued and violated, especially where it is weak or marginalized.
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St. John Paul - Evangelium Vitae
 
She posts a lot about people she doesn’t actually know anything about, both good and bad.

Why? Seems pointless without intimate knowledge of them.
 
Seems obvious to me and everyone I know too. Even my kids get it.
 

Peter Kreeft - How to Win the Culture War​


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“Jesus Christ is not running for president. Don’t politicize the faith, don’t reverse means and end, natural and supernatural, temporal and eternal. Absolutely nothing wrong with political involvement and social activism, and social justice, and social peace. All very good things, but they’re not God. Only God is God, there is no god but God.”
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Better to be aligned with MAGA than some side that, at least in one of our states and is touching on it in many others, is basically standing up for infanticide. Is there no shame with these people?
 
I remember a gubernatorial debate some years ago. There were the democrat, the republican, and the libertarian. A friend of mine was talking about what she thought watching the debate. She said that for her the libertarian made the most sense. I asked her, “so you voted for the libertarian?”
She replied, “No I did not want to throw my vote away.”
To my way of thinking, If you don’t vote for who makes the most sense to you then you are throwing your vote away.
As far as MAGA, or making America great, I would suggest that Donald Trump does not have the monopoly on making America great and we could have a serious debate about what would actually make America great that would not include him.
 
I saw some old Marco Rubio campaign information, “America, Safer/Stronger”, this isn’t much different than saying “Make America Great Again”. We have to remember, in 2016, this was just after the Obama administration, ISIS grew in great power, Russia took Crimea, parts of Ukraine, a lot of strife over BLM and such. Obama himself voted against the Born Alive Infant Protection Act a number of times.

We voters need to take responsibility ourselves as well in whom we vote in. Trump, a devout Christian has enacted pro-life measures, has not gotten us entangled in wars, has sought to protect America.
 
poche said:
I remember a gubernatorial debate some years ago. There were the democrat, the republican, and the libertarian. A friend of mine was talking about what she thought watching the debate. She said that for her the libertarian made the most sense. I asked her, “so you voted for the libertarian?”
She replied, “No I did not want to throw my vote away.”
To my way of thinking, If you don’t vote for who makes the most sense to you then you are throwing your vote away.
As far as MAGA, or making America great, I would suggest that Donald Trump does not have the monopoly on making America great and we could have a serious debate about what would actually make America great that would not include him.
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Do you think America can be great without you?

I know it can be without me but I don’t see the need to pointedly insult President Trump here.

And anyone can read the libertarian platform, the one around since 2012; I think those values would go against many of our values, at least mine.
 
Victoria33 said:
I think Obama is a man of integrity, is basically a good man but he was a very strong pro-choice type
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many overlook his faults that got people killed, the fast and furious gun scandal and bengazi are just two.

Not to mention the number of times he jumped the gun and vocally misjudged police actions that became even bigger events.

all recent presidents have been bad and most politicians pf both parties
 
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