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gracepoole
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Strictly speaking, homosexual acts were once described as one of four sins that cry to heaven for vengeance. When was the last time you heard this phrase applied to the other three sins?
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AlNg
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That is true. But it is also true that the word abomination was used for homosexual sin and I don’t see it used for other sexual sins ? Although it is used for other sins.
We hear it applied to abortion and infanticide all the time. Late term abortion in particular is a terrible sin that cries to heaven for vengeance. It is sad to see Roman Catholic politicians in high position calling for the right to late term abortion.
That is just not true.
Homosexual sins are an abomination and call to heaven for vengeance.
Catechism of the Catholic Church 1867 The catechetical tradition also recalls that there are “sins that cry to heaven”: the blood of Abel, the sin of the Sodomites, the cry of the people oppressed in Egypt, the cry of the foreigner, the widow, and the orphan, injustice to the wage earner.
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For those that may be curious, the four sins that cry to heaven are:
- Murder
- Sodomy
- Oppressing the poor
- Injustice to the wage earner.
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TMC
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No, but the other things that are described as an “abomination” are mostly things that are not even considered sins anymore, such as wearing fabrics of mixed fibers, eating shellfish, lending with interest, and so forth.
Tis_Bearself
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Now you’re just giving your own opinion, as a non-Catholic.
For Catholics, a mortal sin is a mortal sin. Period.
I think I"ll be on my way now. Good day to you.
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AlNg
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Not true for the Catholic Dante. There are different levels of hell depending on the extremity of the level of the grave sin committed. Catholic priests have given sermons on this. And as the Catholic Catechism says, there are some sins that cry to heaven.
Do you say that the CCC is wrong on this?
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puer.dei
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He was a poet, not a theologian.
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gracepoole
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Can you cite what you’re referring to?Tis_Bearself:
And as the Catholic Catechism says, there are some sins that cry to heaven.
Additionally, are you aware that many Jewish scholars and rabbis do not see sodomy as the sin of Sodom that’s referred to in the Bible?
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AlNg
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The Catechism of the Catholic Church paragraph 1867.
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AlNg
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But he was a Catholic, was he not? And St. Augustine was a theologian, No?
St. Augustine said: “In their wretchedness the lot of some of the damned will be more tolerable than that of others” (Enchir. III).
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puer.dei
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So am I. Doesn’t mean my views on Hell are dogma. Or even doctrine.
Nor is every opinion of St. Augustine’s doctrine.
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gracepoole
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You need to understand portions of the Catechism in their proper context, which in this case is “the proliferation of sin.”gracepoole:
The Catechism of the Catholic Church paragraph 1867.
I don’t understand, though, why you’re committed to proving that Catholicism sees homosexual acts as worse than any other (She doesn’t) when you yourself aren’t Catholic.
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AlNg
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True. But what is the Roman Catholic interpretation of it?
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gracepoole
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Again, why do you care?gracepoole:
True. But what is the Roman Catholic interpretation of it?
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AlNg
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In the end it often times reduces to an ad hominem argument. But if you must know, I like to understand the truth of a given situation.
It is pretty clear that homosexual sins are an abomination and that there are degrees of mortal sins. St. Augustine mentions this as have others. It is a terrible sin that cries to heaven according to the CCC.
“You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination. . . . If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death, their blood is upon them” (Lev. 18:22, 20:13).
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gracepoole
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Asking why you care is not an ad hominem argument – perhaps review that term before applying it to others’ claims. And I’m still confused. Why isn’t the “truth” presented by your own church satisfactory for you?gracepoole:
In the end it often times reduces to an ad hominem argument. But if you must know, I like to understand the truth of a given situation.
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AlNg
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Of course it is. It does not refer to the abominable nature of the sin itself. I had nothing to do with the Scriptural references on this, nor did i have anything to do with the writing of the CCC. And I was not around when St. Augustine stated that “In their wretchedness the lot of some of the damned will be more tolerable than that of others” (Enchir. III).
Regardless of what Joe Biden or Nancy Pelosi say about it, the Bible states differently.
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AlNg
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Nor is it infallible doctrine that artificial birth control is a mortal sin. Even Pope Paul said that his encyclical was not infallible. But it is the teaching of the Catholic Fathers of the Church and deserves respect. You can’t just go around ignoring a teaching of a Church Father.
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gracepoole
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No, it’s not. I didn’t dismiss your argument (if you’re offering one). I asked a clarifying question.gracepoole:
Of course it is.
This is just too weird for me – a non-Catholic attempting to catechize. You’ve been given answers to many questions and I hope you carefully consider them lest you misrepresent the faith. Sorry, I’m out.