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[me_again]

SDAs choose to follow the pinhole view of Ellen White and her interpretations of the bible. This is a woman who had demonic “visions” of Enoch on a planet with four moons…
Protestant101;6805709:

When will you be providing the references for this statement? Or has the proverbial cat got your tongue?

At the following link between 19:24 and 19:43, an SDA apologist admits that Ellen White claimed to see Enoch on a planet with four moons during one of her visions**:**

audioverse.org/sermons/recordings/303/the-last-adventist-deception.html :hypno:

Hearing is believing!!!

 

[BibleTruth]

At the following link between 19:24 and 19:43, an SDA apologist admits that Ellen White claimed to see Enoch on a planet with four moons during one of her visions**:**

audioverse.org/sermons/recordings/303/the-last-adventist-deception.html :hypno:

Hearing is believing!!!

Have you even listened to anything after 19:43? I just had to chuckle to myself in the fact that you’re now circulating this link because ALL it does is refute your attacks on Ellen White. Just after speaking about this Enoch issue, she talks about slaves, as you’ve referenced.

This link is from a series that reveals how Ellen White’s writings are in harmony with the Bible. Please keep sending the link!!!

 

[CatholicLover]

1. • while not an unreasonable answer, the issue of how we know the days line up remains. Having the Jewish calender around does provide evidence, but personally, I don’t quite see it as enough because then we have the question as to whether or not the Jewish calender itself shifted a day or two some time in history.
     If there is any proof around that the 7th day Sabbath remained unchanged since creation I don’t know about it. That’s a pretty tall order I do know that there is no proof to the contrary. Until there is proof to the contrary I will keep Saturday as His Sabbath Day and have faith that He has protected it.
2. • I really don’t see at all how the first answer applies to the 2nd.
     It applies because although some nations have changed Monday to the first day of the week and Sunday to the 7th, the Jewish calendar has not made the change and confirms that the day we call Saturday is the 7th day of the week.
3. • But with that answer you have a serious problem involving SDA theology, which declares Sunday worship the mark of the beast. I certainly agree that God welcomes worship no matter what day it is. It’s part of the reason I love Catholicism - we can go to church on every day of the week if we want. But your problem remains - that Sunday worship is NOT ok for you. In addition, while you may be able to think of no better way to keep the sabbath holy than to worship on that day, it still does not answer the question - where are we COMMANDED to worship on the sabbath?

I don’t look at Sunday worship as the problem, it’s the lack of keeping the Sabbath holy. I’m not sure if that’s the official Adventist stand on the matter. As I said in my first post, I may have a unique perspective on certain matters because of my wife. Worshipping God on Sunday is just like worshipping him on Monday through Friday, I think he welcomes it. My belief is that God created the Sabbath day and made it Holy and I have seen nothing in the Bible that changes that. You are correct though, I do not see a command to worship on the sabbath in my version of the bible. My question for you is, if you’re already resting and doing no work on a Holy Day why not worship the God who created you the day before he told you to rest?

 

[CatholicLover]

Of course you disagree**;** that’s because you’re an Adventist and you espouse the demonic teachings of Ellen Gould White, who was a liar with demonic visions of Enoch on other planets in the solar system [sic].

Rid yourself of those demonic SDA teachings and “come out of her.”

I disagree because I am an Adventist AND you provide no basis for your assertion Ellen White was a liar with demonic visions. I’d be happy to discuss specific Ellen White writings with you but I won’t continue to try to defend her against your baseless accusations. It’s easy to say someone is a liar without saying what they specifically lied about and it’s very difficult to argue against. So please, be more specific.

 

[CatholicLover]

Good post! May God continue to bless you & your wife.

Thankyou

 

[Javl]

Once again I see that the SDA put their own spin on scripture “proving” that they are correct and the rest of Christianity is wrong. They have been given all sorts of scriptural proof ( Biblical ) about keeping the Sabbath on Sunday, “the Lord’s Day”, yet the SDA insists that they are correct and we “violate” God’s law and carry the mark of the beast.

I am beginning to be convinced that they are not interested in the total truth at all but only in what they alone decide is the truth and what they alone ( without authority ) decide what the Bible says. Much has been placed before them to explain Christianity’s stance but it has been totaly ignored. I have posed questions and have given answers and made comments pertaining to the subject of this thread and in return in many instances have been totaly ignored.

It is therefore of no use for any of we non-SDA to try to carry on any meaningful dialog or exchange of information with the SDA since there is no interest on their part to learn the truth.

I am quite sure that they will now post their answer saying that I am mistaken, wrong and have a non-Christian attitude in my statement. By their doing so will undoubtedly prove my being correct in my assessment.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

 

[me_again]

The SDAs are pretty much like the JWs. In fact, they go hand-in-hand, regarding their belief systems. They parrot their leaders’ scriptural interpretations and they cannot deviate from them. Some are worse than others and I believe that some of them will enter the kingdom of heaven, but others won’t because they are too deluded (the Lord knows who they are and we don’t). The bible says that in the last days, God will send them great delusion – and many of the SDAs and JWs are believing delusional belief systems. However, they find comfort in their false doctrines, so at least it’s meeting a spiritual need, albeit a demonic one.

 

[greggy53]

“Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.” Leviticus 23:3.

A “convocation” is the same things as a sacred assembly. Hebrews 10:25 says that we should not forsake the assembling of ourselves together.

Galations 2:16 But knowing that man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ; we also believe in Christ Jesus, that we may be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: because by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.

We are not under the old law, you guys fail to realize the finishing work of Christ on the cross.

Mathew :16 And the eleven disciples went into Galilee, unto the mountain where Jesus had appointed them. 17 And seeing him they adored: but some doubted. 18 And Jesus coming, spoke to them, saying: All power is given to me in heaven and in earth. 19 Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world.

All power and authority is given to Jesus
Christ. He is the only law we need.

2Cor 5:16 Wherefore henceforth, we know no man according to the flesh. And if we have known Christ according to the flesh; but now we know him so no longer. 17 If then any be in Christ a new creature, the old things are passed away, behold all things are made new.

The SDA say they believe in Christ, but you quote the old Testament like he was never here. Jesus fulfilled every prophesy in the OT. We look to him not the law of Moses.

 

[greggy53]

Once again I see that the SDA put their own spin on scripture “proving” that they are correct and the rest of Christianity is wrong. They have been given all sorts of scriptural proof ( Biblical ) about keeping the Sabbath on Sunday, “the Lord’s Day”, yet the SDA insists that they are correct and we “violate” God’s law and carry the mark of the beast.

I am beginning to be convinced that they are not interested in the total truth at all but only in what they alone decide is the truth and what they alone ( without authority ) decide what the Bible says. Much has been placed before them to explain Christianity’s stance but it has been totaly ignored. I have posed questions and have given answers and made comments pertaining to the subject of this thread and in return in many instances have been totaly ignored.

It is therefore of no use for any of we non-SDA to try to carry on any meaningful dialog or exchange of information with the SDA since there is no interest on their part to learn the truth.

I am quite sure that they will now post their answer saying that I am mistaken, wrong and have a non-Christian attitude in my statement. By their doing so will undoubtedly prove my being correct in my assessment.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

I wonder why they not only visit here, but some are regular contributors? Do they consider themselves evangalists? Or perhaps, hopefully some have doubts about their beliefs…We can only hope and pray that this is the case.

 

[Rexpi]

Thanks for your help, but it’s really just double talk. They were gathered to worship and share the Eucharist (break bread) on the 1st day, Sunday. But even if it was Saturday night after sundown Sabbath was over. Just another SDA smoke screen, a way around the truths of the Bible.

In that case Thursday is the day of the Lord… Didnt Jesus and his disciples ‘break bread’ that day?

And when did Christ rise from the dead?..On the first day Sunday.

So what? Does the Bible say thats a reason to change the Sabbath? Not at all… I dunno if you know about the covenant or testament, but it was sealed with the blood and after the testament was sealed [or after the person dies in our days] nothing can be add to the covenant or testament. Jesus died he sealed the testament with his blood and then he resurrected, resurrection was after He died, so no way will become a new day of the Lord.

If St John had meant the Sabbath when he said “The Lords Day” being a jew he would have said “I was in the spirit on the Sabbath”, but he didn’t. Therefore one can only conclude that he did not mean the Sabbath. And Jesus being Lord even of the Sabbath rose from the dead on Sunday the first day of the week.

One can conclude in anything but the Bible does not say we are to keep the SUNday holy.

 

[Rexpi]

I wonder why they not only visit here, but some are regular contributors? Do they consider themselves evangalists? Or perhaps, hopefully some have doubts about their beliefs…We can only hope and pray that this is the case.

Perhaps in order to clarify all mistakes around God’s word and to bring pure God’s message to anyone who is truly looking for the truth and by the way everyone called christian should share Jesus with everyone.

 

[me_again]

Have you even listened to anything after 19:43? I just had to chuckle to myself in the fact that you’re now circulating this link because ALL it does is refute your attacks on Ellen White. Just after speaking about this Enoch issue, she talks about slaves, as you’ve referenced.

This link is from a series that reveals how Ellen White’s writings are in harmony with the Bible. Please keep sending the link!!!

BibleTruth, here is the SDA link (click here) to the audio-taped message of an SDA apologists who discusses many of Ellen Gould White’s strange demonic visions and false prophecies, to include**:**

• Ellen White falsely prophesied that some of the SDA cult members at that SDA revival would be “translated” without seeing death. They all died without being translated.
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• Ellen White also falsely prophesied at that SDA revival that some of their cult members would see the seven last plagues described in Revelation before they died. They all died without seeing the fulfillment of Ellen White’s false prophecy.
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• Those two kooky false prophecies are demonic lies which prove that Ellen Gould White is a false prophet. You can listen to these two kooky false prophecies in the SDA audiotape starting at 2345 by clicking here. :tsktsk:
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• During another one of Ellen White’s demonic “visions,” she claimed that God showed her Enoch visiting a planet with four moons. Why would God show Ellen White that kind of a vision?
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• You can listen to it between 19:24 and 19:43 in the audiotape.

Ellen White also falsely prophesied that some American black slaves would never be resurrected. The bible says that all men will be resurrected for either the Judgment Seat of Christ or the Great White Throne Judgment.

Ellen White is an old SDA diddy who is filled with false prophecies and kooky stories – and her deluded SDA followers continue to try to justify her false prophecies as being true.

The bible says that in the last days, God will send great delusion to these people who reject the leading of the Holy Spirit. We see this unfolding before our very ideas in Ellen White’s SDA cult. Beware!!!

Hang in there little buddy. :console:

It’s not too late to “come out of her.” Please come out of the SDA cult before it’s too late!!!

 

[Rexpi]

BibleTruth, here is the SDA link (click here) to the audio-taped message of an SDA apologists who discusses many of Ellen Gould White’s strange demonic visions and false prophecies, to include**:**

• Ellen White falsely prophesied that some of the SDA cult members at that SDA revival would be “translated” without seeing death. They all died without being translated.
  .
• Ellen White also falsely prophesied at that SDA revival that some of their cult members would see the seven last plagues described in Revelation before they died. They all died without seeing the fulfillment of Ellen White’s false prophecy.
  .
• Those two kooky false prophecies are demonic lies which prove that Ellen Gould White is a false prophet. You can listen to these two kooky false prophecies in the SDA audiotape starting at 2345 by clicking here. :tsktsk:
  .
• During another one of Ellen White’s demonic “visions,” she claimed that God showed her Enoch visiting a planet with four moons. Why would God show Ellen White that kind of a vision?
  .
• You can listen to it between 19:24 and 19:43 in the audiotape.

Ellen White also falsely prophesied that some American black slaves would never be resurrected. The bible says that all men will be resurrected for either the Judgment Seat of Christ or the Great White Throne Judgment.

Ellen White is an old SDA diddy who is filled with false prophecies and kooky stories – and her deluded SDA followers continue to try to justify her false prophecies as being true.

The bible says that in the last days, God will send great delusion to these people who reject the leading of the Holy Spirit. We see this unfolding before our very ideas in Ellen White’s SDA cult. Beware!!!

Hang in there little buddy. :console:

It’s not too late to “come out of her.” Please come out of the SDA cult before it’s too late!!!

Hahaha, thanks for the link before in audio verse, it was actually a sermon I heard before and it helped me a lot :]

 

[Rexpi]

Once again I see that the SDA put their own spin on scripture “proving” that they are correct and the rest of Christianity is wrong. They have been given all sorts of scriptural proof ( Biblical ) about keeping the Sabbath on Sunday, “the Lord’s Day”, yet the SDA insists that they are correct and we “violate” God’s law and carry the mark of the beast.

I am beginning to be convinced that they are not interested in the total truth at all but only in what they alone decide is the truth and what they alone ( without authority ) decide what the Bible says. Much has been placed before them to explain Christianity’s stance but it has been totaly ignored. I have posed questions and have given answers and made comments pertaining to the subject of this thread and in return in many instances have been totaly ignored.

It is therefore of no use for any of we non-SDA to try to carry on any meaningful dialog or exchange of information with the SDA since there is no interest on their part to learn the truth.

I am quite sure that they will now post their answer saying that I am mistaken, wrong and have a non-Christian attitude in my statement. By their doing so will undoubtedly prove my being correct in my assessment.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

The problem is you still havent really proved that Sunday is now the day to keep holy, you guys just mention verses in the Bible that say ‘first day of the week’ but nothing else… Come on! Give me real proof in the Bible and I’ll keep Sundays from now on

 

[me_again]

Ms. BibleTruth, here is the SDA link (click here) to the audio-taped message of an SDA apologists who discusses many of Ellen Gould White’s strange demonic visions and false prophecies, to include**:**

• Ellen White falsely prophesied that some of the SDA cult members at that SDA revival would be “translated” without seeing death. They all died without being translated.
  .
• Ellen White also falsely prophesied at that SDA revival that some of their cult members would see the seven last plagues described in Revelation before they died. They all died without seeing the fulfillment of Ellen White’s false prophecy.
  .
• Those two kooky false prophecies are demonic lies which prove that Ellen Gould White is a false prophet. You can listen to these two kooky false prophecies in the SDA audiotape starting at 2345 by clicking here. :tsktsk:
  .
• During another one of Ellen White’s demonic “visions,” she claimed that God showed her Enoch visiting a planet with four moons. Why would God show Ellen White that kind of a vision?
  .
• You can listen to it between 19:24 and 19:43 in the audiotape.

Ellen White also falsely prophesied that some American black slaves would never be resurrected. The bible says that all men will be resurrected for either the Judgment Seat of Christ or the Great White Throne Judgment.

Ellen White is an old SDA diddy who is filled with false prophecies and kooky stories – and her deluded SDA followers continue to try to justify her false prophecies as being true.

The bible says that in the last days, God will send great delusion to these people who reject the leading of the Holy Spirit. We see this unfolding before our very ideas in Ellen White’s SDA cult. Beware!!!

Hang in there little buddy. :console:

It’s not too late to “come out of her.” Please come out of the SDA cult before it’s too late!!!
Rexpi;6806328:

Hahaha, thanks for the link before in audio verse, it was actually a sermon I heard before and it helped me a lot

It gives me great pleasure to provide links to these SDA heresies and false prophecies from Ellen Gould White because knowledge is power!

 

[KathleenGee]

When my friend who joined SDA started researching it, they left because of Ellen.

 

[greggy53]

Perhaps in order to clarify all mistakes around God’s word and to bring pure God’s message to anyone who is truly looking for the truth and by the way everyone called christian should share Jesus with everyone.

While those are nice sentiments the reality of the situation is quite different. As you so arrogantly put it “clarify all mistakes” means that our beliefs are not only not correct, but we are satans pawns by following the Church. That is the reality of the SDA teaching. It is not Christian in the sense that you welocme or encourage others with God’s love, but rather denounce and vilify those who follow Christ and his word in any other manner… Case in point: You teach that Christians should worship on Saturday, and you give your bible quotes to back your belief. That would ber fine if you didn’t also teach that those who choose to Honor Christ by worshipping on Sunday are worshipping Satan. We do not accuse you of worshipping Satan because you worship on Saturday even though we know it is wrong, and goes against God’s word.

 

[Richard_Kastner]

Since there’s a topic, I have a few questions for the SDA’s here.

1. The Gregorian calender was adopted in the 1500’s. What guarantee can you provide that when the switch was made, Saturday STAYED Saturday. In other words - how do we know that when the calender was changed, the old Saturday didn’t overlap with/BECOME the new Sunday, so that today, on what we now call Sunday is actually the sabbath of biblical times?

Here’s a link that eplains what happened godssabbathtruth.com/sabbath-calendar.html

1. For what reason do you conclude that the sabbath is on Saturday in the first place? Scripture does tell us that the sabbath is on the 7th day of the week, but exactly what the 7th day of the week is varies from country to country. In the United States, Saturday is the 7th day, but in many other countries, Sunday is considered 7th.

If you pay attention scripture tells us that the Sabbath is Saturday.
Luke 23
52This man went unto Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus.

53And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid.

54And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.

55And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid.

56And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

Luke24
1Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.

These vs. clearly show that Jesus died on the Preperation day (Friday). He rested in the tomb on the Sabbath. By the way v. 56 says the women rested the Sabbath day according to the commandment. Apparently they knew nothing of a change in God’s law. They returned Sunday to finish their work.

1. For what reason do you conclude that the sabbath is to be our day of worship? I know what you’re thinking. You’re thinking that I must be crazy, but seriously - ask yourself this question. I’ve read the bible. It tells us to rest on the sabbath. It tells us to keep the sabbath holy. But nowhere does the bible tell us to worship on the sabbath. So why do you?

Isaiah 58
13If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

14Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

Sounds like worship to me.

Exodus 31:13
Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.

Exodus 31:16
Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

Leviticus 19:30
Ye shall keep my sabbaths, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.

Leviticus 23:3
Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

A holy convocation is a time to convene together for worship.

Ezekiel 20:13
But the house of Israel rebelled against me in the wilderness: they walked not in my statutes, and they despised my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; and my sabbaths they greatly polluted: then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them in the wilderness, to consume them.

Ezekiel 22:26
Her priests have violated my law, and have profaned mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane, neither have they shewed difference between the unclean and the clean, and have hid their eyes from my sabbaths, and I am profaned among them.

The word sabbath occures 146 times in the bible and as I read through most of them, I got a profound sense that the Lord takes His Holy day very seriously.

Genesis 2
1Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

2And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

3And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

God finished creating all of the physical things of the world, but on the seventh day God ended His work. What did He have left to do? Well, along with all the physical things of the world that God was creating, He was also creating the days, but in Gen. 2 we see that all the physical things of the universe were completed and THE ONLY THING THAT GOD CREATED ON THE SEVENTH DAY WAS THE DAY ITSELF. It says in v. 3 “3And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it” He didn’t bless the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th. 5th. or 6th. HE BLESSED THE SEVENTH DAY.

Exodus 31:13
Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.

It says here that the Sabbath is a sign between God and His people that we may know that it is God who sanctifies us and Exodus 31:16 says
Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. The sabbath is a perpetual covenant.

So, Farsight who sanctifies you?

 

[Richard_Kastner]

Once again I see that the SDA put their own spin on scripture “proving” that they are correct and the rest of Christianity is wrong.

How is quoting scripture putting “their own spin on scripture”

They have been given all sorts of scriptural proof ( Biblical ) about keeping the Sabbath on Sunday, “the Lord’s Day”, yet the SDA insists that they are correct and we “violate” God’s law and carry the mark of the beast.

The only so called proof were text that mention the first day. Non of which say the day was changed and in the case of Rev.1:10 The Lord’s day which is an obvious allusion to Mark 2: 28Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath. Where Jesus says that He is the Lord of the Sabbath BECAUSE HE CREATED IT. Making the Sabbath the Lord’s day. And nobody has the mark of the beast YET. That will happen after everyone has been shown that God’s law is still in force and men decide to make a law replacing God’s holy day with the counterfit making it illegal to keep God’s commandment. So, it’s not too late Javl.

I am beginning to be convinced that they are not interested in the total truth at all but only in what they alone decide is the truth and what they alone ( without authority ) decide what the Bible says.

I have seen people quoting the bible on this thread. Are you saying that the bible is not true?

Much has been placed before them to explain Christianity’s stance but it has been totaly ignored. I have posed questions and have given answers and made comments pertaining to the subject of this thread and in return in many instances have been totaly ignored.

Much has been posted to explain the CC’s stance.

It is therefore of no use for any of we non-SDA to try to carry on any meaningful dialog or exchange of information with the SDA since there is no interest on their part to learn the truth.

The truth is contained in the word of God.
Jn.17
17Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

I am quite sure that they will now post their answer saying that I am mistaken, wrong and have a non-Christian attitude in my statement. By their doing so will undoubtedly prove my being correct in my assessment.

Are you saying that to avoid your correct assesment we should ignore you?

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

 

[me_again]

Once again I see that the SDA put their own spin on scripture “proving” that they are correct and the rest of Christianity is wrong.
Richard Kastner;6807596:

How is quoting scripture putting “their own spin on scripture”

The SDAs and JWs force the scriptures to say things that the Lord did not intend. Here is an example**:**

The Lord Jesus is God, so He knows exactly what happens when the mortal body dies. As an illustration of what happens immediately after death, God (Jesus) said that when Lazarus and the rich man died, the angels came and took them away. The angels took the rich man to a place of torment**;** and he was conscious of his torment. Lazarus was taken to be with Abraham**;** he was conscious of this event. Instead of soul sleeping without consciousness until the resurrection (as the SDAs and JWs teach), both men were conscious of their afterlife surroundings. God said it, but the SDAs and JWs argue against it. That’s an example of how the SDAs “put their own spin on scripture.”

Furthermore, Adventists teach that when Jesus died on the cross, He ceased to have consciousness until His resurrection e.g. SDAs teach that Jesus soul slept. Richard, as a devoted SDA, will you please confirm this heresy? :yup:

Jesus is God, so He cannot cease to have consciousness for three days in the grave. :extrahappy: