I agree with what you wrote, BUT how are you aware of this???yes…she was my friend. SDA theology is based on Ellen G. Whites visions. without E.G. White. the SDA would not exist. miller could not have continued the movement after the great dissapointment. also miller was more arian in his beliefs about the God head. was he not? peace
I’m not suggesting anything. Just want to get your take on these scriptures.
It’s really neat how you create this straw man by saying “if seems as if you’re suggesting that the Lord Jesus is “re-sacrificed” at every mass.” And then in the end I am no longer suggesting but it is my implication. Which you tear down with “I would suggest that your implication is a gross theological misunderstanding.” All this without any (name removed by moderator)ut of mine. You apparently are not only talking to yourself. You are arguing with yourself. Anyways, Ihave said that I don’t know of nor have I ever seen any Adventist or Ellen White exegesis on Heb. or Jer. But for some reason you don’t want to believe me. Oh, wellI’m not qualified to articulate official Catholic teachings on Hebrews 10:7-16 because I’m still in the exploration phase of theological research. However, if seems as if you’re suggesting that the Lord Jesus is “re-sacrificed” at every mass. Is that what you’re suggesting? . Although I haven’t studied the theological issue yet, I would suggest that your implication is a gross theological misunderstanding. Exactly what does Adventism’s founder (Ellen G. White) teach on this issue?
Ok, let me get to it. Remember this.
hello my friend. i could very well have to correct myself on miller. it is quite possible i am wrong about him on this. but james white and joseph bates were from what i have seen,( at least in the millerite movement) anti trinitarian. this should be cause for some concern i would think. that they couldnt agree about the trinity even among themselves. looking into adventist, that have branched off from the main body. and to see if they hold to the trinity. one of which would be the branch davidians. and some others. fascinating study actually. PeaceI agree with what you wrote, BUT how are you aware of this???
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Kathleen, this was your last question.
The bible passages that I provided answer this question. If you know those passages “very well” then why did you ask the question?
Here is your exegesis on Heb.10:1-16. You say you are not qualified to “articulate official Catholic teachings” but I can assume that this is a fairly accurate exposition of what you think it says.
I agree with most everything you say here
It’s this that I have a problem with. You seem to be saying that the Ten commandments have been replaced by Jesus law of love. That simply is not the case. The Ten Commandments ARE God’s law of love. Take a look at Heb. 10:16This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Javl seems to think that this is talking about an exclusive covenant with the Jews and that if I/we disagree with this then we/I are at odds with the ECF who I think would be espousing official church teachings. What do you think about this dilema?
hello benidict how are you? Long time don’t hear from you.hello my friend. i could very well have to correct myself on miller. it is quite possible i am wrong about him on this. but james white and joseph bates were from what i have seen,( at least in the millerite movement) anti trinitarian. this should be cause for some concern i would think. that they couldnt agree about the trinity even among themselves. looking into adventist, that have branched off from the main body. and to see if they hold to the trinity. one of which would be the branch davidians. and some others. fascinating study actually. Peace
That isn’t what you asked at all. Here it is again.
But now that you ask. Jesus didn’t tell His believers, apostles, deisciple, to ensure anything. That is a CC invention to affirm it’s so called authority. What He did say was.
This is a Catholic misunderstanding of Maatt.16
I trust the Holy Spirit no matter who He chooses to work through.
Is this part of a question or are you just tooting your horn? I’m not sure what your point is or why you posted this. By the way how is anything that I have posted of questionable context? Pick one, any one.
hi rexpi. thank you for your kind response. i have read many of Ellen G. Whites writings. and she was a prolific author. very talented. but do you think that miller could have continued the movement after what happened? if not for Ellen G. White, the adventist movement could very well have died out. there may have been dissapointments in the bible that we read about, but never because of a huge error, made on the part of a prophet that God had chosen. quite the opposite. to be a prophet of God, they had to be 100% accurate. otherwise they were false. they did not make mistakes. it is also interesting to note, that in 1845 the albany confrence was held, and the adventist movement split 4 ways. you had the evangelical adventist, the life and advent union, the advent christian church, and of course the Seventh Day Adventist, who are the largest of the 4 groups. the reason for the split, was because of a disagreement in doctrines such as the state of the soul after death, and the annialation of the wicked. at least one of these seperate adventist movements is nearly extinct. so without Ellen G. White. do you honestly think your movement could have survived. Peace
Miller was NEVER a Seventh-day Adventistyes…she was my friend. SDA theology is based on Ellen G. Whites visions. without E.G. White. the SDA would not exist. miller could not have continued the movement after the great dissapointment. also miller was more arian in his beliefs about the God head. was he not? peace
my friend, may i be the first to say, i stand corrected. you are quite right. but he was the founder of the advent movement was he not? also i am curious as to his ties to free masonry. he may not have been an adherent to the sabbath, but he was adventist. its interesting how like Joseph Smith, the founder of the Mormons, he was also a high level mason. did this have any influence on his theology? i really do find both these movements and their respective histories to be quite fascinating. Peace
No. Actually Miller wasn’t the founder of our Chrch either. And yes, our Church would have survived just fine without Ellen White’s ministry thereof. None of our doctrines originated with her; in fact, the seventh-day sabbath doctrine had it’s beginnings elsewhere.my friend, may i be the first to say, i stand corrected. you are quite right. but he was the founder of the advent movement was he not? also i am curious as to his ties to free masonry. he may not have been an adherent to the sabbath, but he was adventist. its interesting how like Joseph Smith, the founder of the Mormons, he was also a high level mason. did this have any influence on his theology? i really do find both these movements and their respective histories to be quite fascinating. Peace
Sorry; there isn’t much you can say to me about Ellen White’s character or believability that would make me change my beliefs about her and her ministry in the beginning days of The Remnant Church. Her writings have done nothing but open up the Bible to me more, and help me to walk closer to Jesus. Such “analogies” as you have resorted to here only serve to show the lack of Biblical proof or correct knowledge of the concerns expressed. I have given our books to many fine Catholic Christians, and they have been quite appreciative. So I guess the internet makes people a little more apt to say strong opinions for or against, but in person; my experience has been much different.
I do honestly believe with all my heart and mind that God always did and will guide His people no matter what, with or without Ellen White. But I am actually happy our church have the Spirit of Prophecy because it helps in our journey.hi rexpi. thank you for your kind response. i have read many of Ellen G. Whites writings. and she was a prolific author. very talented. but do you think that miller could have continued the movement after what happened?
Yes benidict, indeed Ellen white was an awesome writer and amazing considering her previous education. She also talks about some details in the Bible that would be difficult to understand if you dont know the original language but she knew without that knowledge
if not for Ellen G. White, the adventist movement could very well have died out.
I strongly believe that if not Ellen White, God would lift up somebody else to help His remnant to go back to the Bible and keep going eventhough the dissapointment suffered. God will always guide His people.
there may have been dissapointments in the bible that we read about, but never because of a huge error, made on the part of a prophet that God had chosen. quite the opposite. to be a prophet of God, they had to be 100% accurate. otherwise they were false. they did not make mistakes.
If thats the case John the Baptist was not a true prophet… the Bible is clear and shows that John did make mistakes regarding Jesus but later he understood the real purpose of Jesus’ first coming. I think I told you before about prophet Nathan, under your allegation, Nathan then was not a prophet, since He told error to David, and then God corrected him. Jesus’ disciples also were wrong but later understood about Jesus… they thought He came to be a king and also when Jesus enter the city and everyone thought of Him as a king. Everyone was wrong, they didnt understand Jesus came to die first for our sins… Does this make the prophets, disciples, etc liers? Being a prophet of the Lord does not mean a perfect human being right away… they grew up in the Lord as so you and me can do in certain way.
it is also interesting to note, that in 1845 the albany confrence was held, and the adventist movement split 4 ways. you had the evangelical adventist, the life and advent union, the advent christian church, and of course the Seventh Day Adventist, who are the largest of the 4 groups. the reason for the split, was because of a disagreement in doctrines such as the state of the soul after death, and the annialation of the wicked. at least one of these seperate adventist movements is nearly extinct.
I havent study much about this groups benedict. The only thing I know is that is amazing how one way or another God has kept His remnant through history . And like I said before in previous conversations, all of our church fundamental beliefs are well stablished and based on the Scriptures… If we SDA would but read and study more our Bibles as we should, then we wouldnt even had to have Ellen White… she is a helper for us specially in this times we are living at and like I said, she is always in accordance to the principles found in the Bible.
About these doctrines, the Bible again explains about the state of the death, “hell” and others for many controversial topics. But also I know Satan is behind many of this non biblical theories… I dont know why people have a problem with the term “sleeping” when Jesus was the one that compared death to that, but thats another interesting topic.
so without Ellen G. White. do you honestly think your movement could have survived. Peace
I have to say that I have experienced the same. Before I used to think Oh its boring or old fashion, but then I realised she is a true messanger from our Lord and what a blessing its been for me her writtings, which helped me to improve my relationship with Jesus a lot. Sadly many people comment things about her without real knowledge of the matter.