Inside Rudy Giuliani's attempt to sow chaos on behalf of Trump and steal the election

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We don’t actually know who is stealing the election from who. That’s what is being figured out.
 
I think there are some people who know very much about this, intelligence and the like. Not so much the common people at this stage.
 
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Victoria33 said:
In fact, yes, I do think Trump won. What are our votes doing being counted overseas? Why is our military seizing servers in Germany? Why is Dominion cancelling out from an appearance to discuss this?
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Victoria, this is not true. There is no siezure of servers by the US military. The German police would be doing it with the FBI assigned to the embassy. There were no seizures.
Victoria33 said:
Take it or leave it, Dr. Gorka’s show was saying this is somewhat of an incident akin to the assassination of JFK, I think it is. I think Sidney Powell will go down in American history for her heroic efforts.
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Two people who are not credible.
 
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JonNC said:
True, and young Republicans need to look down ballot where the party gained double digit in the House, 2 state legislatures (significant in a redistricting year), and a couple of governors.
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The Republicans did very well. But they regained only some of what they lost in 2018. The question is whether the pendulum swings back in 2022. And will either side be motivated to vote without Trump campaigning. Personally I don’t think Trump or even Obama does a good job of campaigning for others.

As for the Senate that will be interesting to watch too past 2022. The Republicans have a lot more seats to defend than the Democrats again but the Republicans held quite well this time. Gotta hand it to McConnell and Graham and others as they know how to stay in power. They will make life difficult for the President.
 
Victoria33 said:
No, I think Trump won and something nefarious is going on.
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For better or worse, it seems 77% of Trump supporters agree with you, according to polls. (It doesn’t exactly define who the Trump supporters are though, as a percentage of the population.)
 
Victoria33 said:
He has something like 73 million votes, historically, second to only Biden’s as it stands now.
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True.
Victoria33 said:
No, I think Trump won and something nefarious is going on.
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Maybe. I would be thrilled for trump to have a second term. But they need evidence in court. Suspicions don’t count.
Victoria33 said:
In fact, yes, I do think Trump won. What are our votes doing being counted overseas? Why is our military seizing servers in Germany? Why is Dominion cancelling out from an appearance to discuss this?
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I can’t answer any of these. The courts need to view evidence and rule.
Victoria33 said:
Take it or leave it, Dr. Gorka’s show was saying this is somewhat of an incident akin to the assassination of JFK, I think it is. I think Sidney Powell will go down in American history for her heroic efforts.
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Only if her efforts include evidence in court.
 
ProVobis said:
The Republicans did very well. But they regained only some of what they lost in 2018. The question is whether the pendulum swings back in 2022. And will either side be motivated to vote without Trump campaigning. Personally I don’t think Trump or even Obama does a good job of campaigning for others.
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Agreed.
ProVobis said:
As for the Senate that will be interesting to watch too past 2022. The Republicans have a lot more seats to defend than the Democrats again but the Republicans held quite well this time. Gotta hand it to McConnell and Graham and others as they know how to stay in power. They will make life difficult for the President.
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They were lucky Cunningham couldn’t control his urges, or we might be st 49 - 49 right now.
 
As I said, evidence. If they don’t have evidence, the courts will say no, and the republic will survive.
 
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JonNC said:
They were lucky Cunningham couldn’t control his urges, or we might be st 49 - 49 right now
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I was surprised Susan Collins managed to hold her seat but she was running against a weak candidate. The Democrats need more Joe Manchins imo.
 
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pnewton said:
I do not think most Democrats believed him to be illegitimate. I know some did, but he was elected and sworn in.
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A majority of Democrats thought the Russians actually changed votes.
Democrats Say Russia Altered Election Outcome; Republicans Disagree
Democrats widely believe Russians interfered in the 2016 campaign and that it changed the outcome of the election (78% say this), presumably by helping Trump defeat Hillary Clinton.
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pnewton said:
That makes a president legitimate, regardless of the popular vote, or subjective opinions about him. A lot did not like him, evidenced by this record-breaking election.
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No doubt, but this and the rhetoric from the dishonest DNC media that Trump is a fascist, the Orange Hitler, is what I’m talking about.
 
ProVobis said:
I was surprised Susan Collins managed to hold her seat but she was running against a weak candidate. The Democrats need more Joe Manchins imo.
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One wonders how long Manchin will be tolerated by the woke leftists
 
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JonNC said:
he woke leftists
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They’re already making unrealistic demands on Biden. I agree they are bad news.

On the bright side Mike Madigan’s days may be numbered as Speaker in Illinois. I hope.
 
JonNC said:
A majority of Democrats thought the Russians actually changed votes.
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Your link does not say that a majority of Democrats thought the Russians actually changed votes. What they did believe was that the Russians actually changed the outcome, but not through altering votes that were cast.
 
There’s no helping these people. Pray for them. God will judge them, as He will all of us. I will face my Lord with a clear conscience, at least in this regard, as I have not given my support to a president who will aid the genocide of unborn babies.
 
Perhaps civil war is indeed too big, as I doubt the masses will ever organize into standing armies. But I do see civil unrest turning violent. So far it has been almost exclusively (though not absolutely exclusively) the left (BLM and Antifa). If these right wing militias, who are allegedly heavily armed, decide to fight fire with fire? God help us.
 
I genuinely believe it was stolen. Watching how things are unfolding, the fact that they are finding cases of voter fraud all over the place. True, from what’s been revealed publicly so far, it’s only been individual cases of several thousand votes here and several thousand votes there. It hasn’t been enough to overturn any states. BUT, and this is important. This is only counting the fraud that has been caught. The fact that there has been THIS much certainly leads me and many others to believe that there is much more fraud being committed that has not been caught. I mean you’ve surely seen the rallies. Literally nobody was excited about a Biden-Harris presidency. No one. Yet Trump was drawing tens of thousands no matter where he went. All over Santa Barbara County, California (where I live) there’s nothing but Trump signs. I’ve seen literally 2 Biden signs compared to dozens and dozens of Trump signs. And one Hillary for Prison sign which is aging well lol. Trump was dominating the election as we all went to bed election night. Then in the wee hours of the morning, suddenly there’s hundreds of thousands of ballots being counted for Biden and computer glitches and errors that are accidentally not counting Trump ballots, or accidentally counting Biden ballots more than once? And all the other individual cases of fraud that have happened? And while Trump is taking this to the courts and fighting to have everything investigated, Biden and party are using their MSM allies to act as though the election is officially decided (when it’s not). Look how often he’s posing in front of these ridiculous signs that say “Office of the President Elect”. There’s no such office! They are trying to hurry and convince everyone that this election is over and that they are the winners. If they are so certain they won fair and square, why the rush? They should be enjoying Trump destroying his own legacy as President. And let’s not pretend it’s out of any genuine care for people and covid. The democrat politicians and governors are the reason covid is so bad in their states, and everywhere. While Trump was and is funding vaccines and getting the economy going again, dem politicians want to isolate us and force us into our homes and wearing our cloth masks that don’t prevent covid from spreading or stop us from spreading it to others. God help us if Biden hangs on to the presidency at the end of all this. He won’t last six months before they get rid of him. Then President Harris and her radical “progressive”/socialist friends will really do some damage. The only upside of Biden hanging on to the election, is that after four years of socialism under Democrats, it will literally be the death of the democrat party. No one will vote democrat again for at least 100 years. So there’s always hope.
 
Biden didn’t even run a campaign. He put on a show at the end because he knew they had it all set up for him
to win. It is so obvious.
 
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