Would She perhaps wish to join us here?I did ask her your a & b question the first time exactly as you phrased it and as I stated she responded with the fundamental teaching that they believe in one God. The same thing I had previously quoted myself. But I will run it by her once more and get back with you if she has any further enlightenment to add.
Yes I am familiar.And the majority of protestant Churches. The doctrine of the Trinity, was not one that was changed by Luther or Calvin. It is an old heresy, ressurected by Ellen G. White and company. Are you familiar with the gnosticts? The Arians? the Nestorians? The Cathlolic Church Is the Church that Christ founded, and is still in existence today. But that my friend is a topic for another thread. If I may ask. Are you Adventist, or are you studying to be one. Or are you just sympathetic. Its ok to admit your loyalties here. What is your denomination? Adventist are notorious for hiding their affilliation. Thank you. Peace
But no further contact from them. They did not come knocking on my door nor did they infiltrate my mail. :bigyikes: 3) One email and one response from a SDA pastor.Actually my friend. its not so much a matter of faith when it comes down to the founding of the Catholic Church, its a historical fact. Many of us, have left protestantism because of this, and many other things. however, im getting off topic. you do raise some good points for other threads however. Thank you for your candor, and peace also to you and prayers for you and yours my friend. you have a good night. at least its night where i am at…Yes I am familiar.
“The Catholic Church is the Church that Christ founded” is subject to faith in what the Catholic Church interprets Herself to be and to faith in ECFs.
Of course you may ask. I am not in hiding and have no problem answering these questions.
No I am nowhere close to being Adventist. My sole experience with Adventism other than on online forums consists of 1) Having SDA Christian friends. 2) Completing a basic SDA online Bible Study so I could learn more about my friends faith. I did get a passing grade and received a nice certificate in the mail.
No am not studying to become one. Am sympathetic when people don’t consider them Christian since they believe in Christ as Lord and Savior and believe in one God.
My loyalty is to my conscience after informing it, to my faith in God and His Son, and to my faith as I feel it is guided by His Holy Spirit. I am human however and do not declare infallibilty. I just plug along the best I can in my walk like many of us. Understanding we walk by faith. Not by sight.
My official “denomination” or rather official membership/affifliation depends entirely on whether you go by what is said in the Catholic Church, in what the Catholic Church teaches or what the private forum CA allows in identification. There’s a difference.
You’re more than welcome Benedict. And peace to you as well. God bless you always my friend.
I don’t know. She leads a very busy schedule 6 days a week. And I know she’ll be busy this afternoon with preparation for the Sabbath. And tomorrow she and her family will attend church or perhaps some Catholics might say her ecclesial community, to worship the one God she believes in, study Scripture and rest.Would She perhaps wish to join us here?
Muslims say they worship the ONE God Too.
along with JWs and others. Is it all the same God?Well yes Benidict, many have left Protestantism and many have left the faithful practice of Catholicism because of many things. If it was so simple and factual and more than faith, everyone would be of the same faith which of course is not the case. You have a good night as well. I pray all is well with you there. God bless you.Actually my friend. its not so much a matter of faith when it comes down to the founding of the Catholic Church, its a historical fact. Many of us, have left protestantism because of this, and many other things. however, im getting off topic. you do raise some good points for other threads however. Thank you for your candor, and peace also to you and prayers for you and yours my friend. you have a good night. at least its night where i am at…
Because they Baptize using the Trinitarian formula with the intention of doing what the Early Church did when it Baptized.
To me yes since I believe there is one God. I happen to have other friends with a picture of Allah in their home. (I befriend His children of all beliefs)Muslims say they worship the ONE God Too.
Allah is their word for the one God. Different beliefs or faith interpretations about? Sure. But in the end the same God since there is only one. Peace upon on all those He created whom walk the earth.But you see the difference is this, (I’m guessing here) when someone asks an LDS “do you believe in the Trinity” you tell them, “yes, but not in the sameway you do. We believe . . .” and you explain exactly what and how you believe. When someone asks an SDA “do you believe in the Trinity” they say, “Oh yeah.” and keep moving. So the Church takes them at their word. The truth is that the majority of SDAs do not clearly understand what their denomination believes regarding the Trinity.But it seems that the Catholic Church disagrees if it accepts SDA baptism as a valid Christian baptism…
I must say that this discussion has been enlightening, since I always assumed that Seventh-day Adventists were simply traditional Trinitarian Christians. I was aware of their view of Jesus-Michael, however I didn’t know that their view of the Trinity was more similar to the LDS view (a oneness of purpose and intent of three distinct divine personages) than to the traditional view. Which makes the issue of why the Catholic Church accepts their baptisms as valid all the more interesting (in comparison to the rejection of LDS baptisms as valid).
Marsha, ok have an email into my friend for you.
Not sure she’s going to agree the majority doesn’t know what their denomination teaches though. And she like you graduated from an SDA college. One in AL. Oh yeah Oakwood. A problem I’m having though myself with your scenario is you keep resorting to SDAs are polytheists even though they believe in one God.What was her major/minor? My minor was religion although with 54 credits of religion it was the equivalent of a major.Marsha, ok have an email into my friend for you.
No idea of her minor or credits. Her major was education. Yes I understand what you are saying if their concept of how there is one God indeed differs somewhat from the Catholic perspective. But I’m just not sure it matters in the end in determining whether Adventism is Christian if they arrive at one God nonetheless. And profess Christ Lord and Savior. But then if you are not going to accept their word that they believe in one God, anything anyone tells you will not matter I guess. God bless and peace be with you.
Marsha, I am sorry I had missed this answer. My apologies. Yes but Adventists do not only baptize on pt of death. And yet they are accepted.
My point was that the baptism on the point of death was a valid baptism not because of WHEN it was done, but because of HOW it was performed. Since the SDAs perform it using the Trinitarian formula and with the intention of doing what the Early Church did, that there baptism is also valid.
Ok then if their intent is the Trinitarian formula and doing it in the Christian manner. And accepted by the Church as Christian. In all those Baptisms performed by Adventists beyond simply in pt of death cases. Then that’s good enough for me as to whether Adventism is Christian.
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The Church assumes it is, as far as muslimsMuslims say they worship the ONE God Too.
Not so. Because even a Bhuddist or an atheist or an Islamic could perform a baptism using the Trinitarian formula and with the intent of doing what the Church does and it would be valid. That does not make them Christian.
I know that’s your view Marsha. But as you have said you choose to make a point of only “how” and not “when” or as to my point in “how often”. But I see a difference. It’s one thing for the Church to accept any ol’ person baptizing at the pt of death. But I would think it’s another to accept countless Baptisms performed by Adventists when not at the pt of death if Adventism was not considered Christian.
God bless you and peace.