Is the Republican party truly pro-life?

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Obama admin had children in cages.

You want to talk about racism?? The demographics of abortion are outrageous. Support this with my vote? Hardly.


Though only 12-14% of the population, a third of all abortions are of unborn African Americans. That’s for starters. Does one feel doing this to a group of people is okay?

I don’t see how that is pro-life, I think the inner city will be in trouble as long as life is seen as disposable.

Sure, one weighs the pros and cons. It’s pretty clear.
 
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I think there are a number of issues that are conflated here. The Pro-Life Movement is specifically interested in preventing the government from making laws or policies that allow the government to kill the innocent. Typically these involve issues of abortion, assisted suicide, and euthanasia. In that sense the Republican Party is almost universally pro-life at least in its platform. We could argue whether they have been particularly strong in action. The rest of the issues you address appear to me to be either straw man arguments brought up by the left, or some other logical fallacy.
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-complicent with inhumane border control detention centers where people are put in cages, and some even dying.
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The Republican party did not invent the process of detaining people for breaking the law. This is bi-partisan, and is not a bad thing. Where people have died in custody is another issue altogether, and is nearly always not the result of cruelty of law enforcement, but the physical rigors involved in illegally crossing the border into desert country with inadequate supplies. This could be alleviated completely by the way by entering the United States legally through ports of entry.
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-looking down on the welfare system that would allow poor mothers to actually take care of the child when it’s born.
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I am not aware of mainstream Republicans looking down on the welfare system. Most if not all Republicans believe that some form of welfare is necessary. The question is whether the welfare system in place incentivizes poor decision-making or is susceptible to fraud. This is not a bad question to ask. Even St. Paul said if people in the Church capable of working do not work, they shouldn’t eat.
 
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-Passive on climate change.
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Believe it or not, climate change is not a life or death issue. It is a quality of life issue. When you look at the issue of climate change there are several questions: 1) how much does man contribute to climate change, 2) and what policies should we pursue to mitigate climate change? The issue is that liberals actually propose policy solutions that are so radical they would drastically reduce the quality of life of all mankind while making minimal impact to mitigating climate change. Conservatives tend to talk about moving populations out of at risk areas, and improving energy efficiency using available and cost effective technologies. However, those on the left frequently rule out cost effective technologies from consideration.
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-Blackballing people who protest police brutality and racial injustice.
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You would need to demonstrate what you even mean by this comment. Republicans don’t have an issue with someone protesting instances of actual racial injustice or police brutality. The issue we have is when any instance regardless of the individual set of facts is automatically ruled as an instance of racial injustice or police brutality, and we reject violent protest or protest that paints the entire country as racist apart from actual evidence of individual racism.

I think the big takeaway from the points you brought up is that we can agree that there are issues that need to be addressed while having different ideas about the proper way to address those issues. What we can’t agree upon though is when the government passes laws that allow for the killing of the innocent without due process, or funds such killing.
 
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Central American nation Guatemala shuts out Planned Parenthood International.

I guarantee you, one party likes to fund Planned Parenthood International who are currently, not funded. I don’t know all of the details.

So, do I want the US and my taxpayer dollars to fund Planned Parenthood International? Of course not.

They’ve been active in Africa too. 3rd world nations.

Not for me.

Likewise, if one is essentially supporting abortion, they should have some accountability per the acts of the abortion industry.

I can also create my pro-life definition, we need a secure border that keeps out drugs like fentanyl that kill people.
 
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appointed justices, and Republicans have done little to nothing to restrict abortion even when they have had a majority in the house and senate.

Abortion is a marketing tool for the GOP. If they were to outlaw it, they would lose their single issue voters.
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And, Senate advises and consents to who is on the Supreme Court, Democrats likely controlled the Senate when those justices, most or all were confirmed.

Pro-Life laws have been passed, some struck down.

Why do not Democrat Senators vote for Amy Coney Barret or Kavanaugh?

Let’s not forget how they blocked Robert Bork from sitting on the Court.

Maybe a better question is, “is the Democrat party pro-infanticide?”, Maybe I’ll post that later.
 
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The fact that direct abortion is an intrinsic evil which should not be promoted or supported can be stated in a concise manner. But it is also possible to bury that fact in a mountain of distracting verbiage.
 
My experience has been this. I think that the party is pro life in a lot of ways and many members are. That being said, many are not. Of course there are a few who are openly pro choice, including some prominent voices in the conservative movement like Tomi Lahren and Candace Owens (I think), but I also think there are plenty who are what I would call practically pro choice. They might vote Republican and call themselves pro life but they deceive others by secretly getting or paying for abortions, or living sordid private lives, which I’d argue is not pro life. Not to mention a lot of the redneck conservative crowd that’s socially libertarian is typically pro choice though not militantly so. Basically they don’t care what happens but don’t want taxes going to pay for it or something like that.
 
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I am not aware of mainstream Republicans looking down on the welfare system. Most if not all Republicans believe that some form of welfare is necessary. The question is whether the welfare system in place incentivizes poor decision-making or is susceptible to fraud. This is not a bad question to ask. Even St. Paul said if people in the Church capable of working do not work, they shouldn’t eat.
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Totally agree.

Republican-leaning voter here.

President Reagan used to say in the 1980s that we had to help the “truly needy.”

Believe me, my father grew up in the 1920s-1930s Depression, when we didn’t have the programs we do now, and I heard a lot of “poor stories” like the one about my father’s friend who couldn’t go to college because he couldn’t even afford shoes. So I totally agree with the idea of a social safety net.

But, we can legitimately disagree about who’s needy and should get help. Maybe the person on public assistance who can somehow afford to go on a luxury vacation maybe isn’t needy; maybe there’s fraud involved.
 
They are not Pro-Life! It’s a carrot 🥕 on a stick to get votes from religious Conservatives that vote single issue. To really be Pro-Life is to first acknowledge that humanity is fallen. It’s fine to have strong morals and ethics, but the law without compassion is tyranny. The cause of crisis pregnancies is very complex. The root cause in my opinion is the socialization of girls that don’t encourage them to own their sexuality. Also, a woman is not incomplete without a man. She should only enter a sexual union when her sexuality is respected from beginning to end, everything in between, and afterwards.
 
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They are not Pro-Life! It’s a carrot 🥕 on a stick to get votes from religious Conservatives that vote single issue.
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If the Democrats want these single issue voters they know what to do.
 
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WannabeSaint said:
-complicent with inhumane border control detention centers where people are put in cages, and some even dying.
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The Obama administration built those cages. Do I agree with Trump’s child separation policy? No. It was a mistake and poorly managed in any case. However, the Democratic Party’s solution to the problem is simply to give illegal immigrants who bring children into the country a free pass and essentially amnesty. This encourages more illegal immigrants to come here with children, breaking our laws and in many cases placing children in danger on the journey.
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-looking down on the welfare system that would allow poor mothers to actually take care of the child when it’s born.
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Republicans don’t look down on the welfare system. However, we do worry about financial sustainability and creating a culture of dependency. Government assistance is a blessing that helps people in need, but there are some families who have depended on welfare for generations. Sometimes people can exist in a cycle of poverty that creates learned helplessness. In these situations, it can seem easier to receive welfare than to actually get a job.

There is also something to be said for welfare policy contributing to the breakdown of the family. I’m not sure about the current situation, but I know that in the past, mothers on welfare received less assistance if there was a father in the picture.
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-Passive on climate change.
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As opposed to the Democratic platform which wants to shut down the oil industry and replace it with wind and solar? The Republican position is that there is climate change. Human action is contributing to it. However, joining the Paris Climate Accord will not solve anything. First, the US can’t stop climate change on its own. Second, the world’s biggest polluters (China) are not going to voluntarily cripple their own economies to combat it. Third, if the US went all out to fight climate change the affect would be negligible on the climate but ruinous to our economy.
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-Blackballing people who protest police brutality and racial injustice.
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I don’t know what this is referring to. Lots of Republicans agree that police need to be held accountable for brutality. Many Republicans would object that this is a racial issue. It’s more likely a social class issue. People in poorer neighborhoods have more interaction with the cops and are more likely to be involved in incidents with them. See
“Police Kill Too Many People—White and Black” written by John McWhorter, who is black and not a Republican.

Some conservatives object to the organization Black Lives Matter. It was founded by self-proclaimed Marxists and advocated for the destruction of the nuclear family. It’s not just nice slogan; it has a political agenda beyond race. See “Like the Soviets, Black Lives Matter Purges Its History.”
 
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ltwin said:
Republicans don’t look down on the welfare system.
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That is wrong. The republican party includes moderates who don’t mind the welfare system, but also many who want to abolish welfare entirely.
 
StudentMI said:
That is wrong. The republican party includes moderates who don’t mind the welfare system, but also many who want to abolish welfare entirely.
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Then they are incredibly incompetent. They’ve had many chances to abolish it over the years when they’ve been in power. Haven’t done it yet. Or maybe they realize the people who elect them (other Republicans) would never support abolishing welfare.
 
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