Is the Republican party truly pro-life?

[StudentMI]

Then they are incredibly incompetent. They’ve had many chances to abolish it over the years when they’ve been in power. Haven’t done it yet. Or maybe they realize the people who elect them (other Republicans) would never support abolishing welfare.

You’re the one who said they don’t look down on it. I said the truth is more mixed.

 

[ltwin]

You’re the one who said they don’t look down on it. I said the truth is more mixed.

I don’t know of any mainstream Republican who wants to abolish welfare. I’m sure you can find someone who identifies as Republican who supports ending welfare entirely, but I don’t know of any. And I find it hard to believe they would ever get elected. Republican history with welfare demonstrates they are not in favor of abolishing it. Instead, they’ve reformed it in ways designed to encourage people to not live on welfare permanently.

 

[StudentMI]

Instead, they’ve reformed it in ways designed to encourage people to not live on welfare permanently.

I know people who have to live on welfare permanently.

 

[ltwin]

I know people who have to live on welfare permanently.

Abled bodied people capable of working?

 

[StudentMI]

Abled bodied people capable of working?

You know there are disabled people who are not ‘able bodied people capable of working.’

 

[ltwin]

You know there are disabled people who are not ‘able bodied people capable of working.’

Disabled people are eligible for Social Security Disability Insurance. That is not welfare. That is something we pay into with our payroll taxes.

 

[StudentMI]

Disabled people are eligible for Social Security Disability Insurance. That is not welfare. That is something we pay into with our payroll taxes.

Strange I’ve seen your side call it welfare. I’ve seen your side refer to such people as, well, not gonna write it.

 

[ltwin]

Strange I’ve seen your side call it welfare. I’ve seen your side refer to such people as, well, not gonna write it.

Strange, I don’t know what you’re talking about. Republicans get sick too. They get old as well and live on Social Security and Medicare.

 

[Dracarys]

Accusations can be made by anyone. It doesn’t mean any of it is true.

 

[blackforest]

They’re articles with evidence. Either show us why they’re wrong or accept that people are enduring abuse while in cages.

 

[Dracarys]

They’re articles with evidence. Either show us why they’re wrong or accept that people are enduring abuse while in cages.

That is ridiculous . If there is evidence then there would be massive arrest and/or lawsuits. There are thousands of people who came here illegally. What would you have the border patrol do? Just let them go into the U.S. population? Maybe we should put them up at the Hilton.

 

[ATraveller]

My fast from US politics is over.
The fundamental problem is Americans enjoy their 2 party system. Instead of reforming the system to allow more parties, Americans prefer to fight for and defend the alleged lesser evil. That’s easier than looking at the intricacies of electoral reform.

 

[blackforest]

If there is evidence then there would be massive arrest and/or lawsuits.

So something’s only true if there’s a lawsuit? Seriously?? OK, I’ll play the game.

Mothers separated from their children at the border sue Trump admin over 'clear abuse'

https://topclassactions.com/civil-r...lass-action-demands-restitution-for-families/

https://www.usnews.com/news/politic...der-patrol-detention-conditions-goes-to-trial

What would you have the border patrol do? Just let them go into the U.S. population? Maybe we should put them up at the Hilton.

How does any of this justify abuse?

 

[Sarcelle]

Instead, they’ve reformed it in ways designed to encourage people to not live on welfare permanently.

Is depending on food stamps a form of welfare?

Even having a job doesn’t guarantee you a living wage. A lot of jobs do not pay well and the once well paying jobs such as factory jobs have either been automated or have moved abroad.

Meanwhile we have McJobs and temployment. Temployment, meaning short lived contract jobs or jobs cut short due to lay-offs which are becoming increasingly common.

Skilled workers may have leverage but wages have remained stagnant, benefits have been cut while the cost of living has gone up.

Unskilled workers are in a worst situation.

We also have a government that bails out huge corporations but spends months locked in conflict when it comes to giving ordinary people some financial relief.

Meanwhile Canada and Europe help out the ordinary people in the pandemic.

 

[Victoria33]

Is depending on food stamps a form of welfare?

Even having a job doesn’t guarantee you a living wage. A lot of jobs do not pay well and the once well paying jobs such as factory jobs have either been automated or have moved abroad.

Meanwhile we have McJobs and temployment. Temployment, meaning short lived contract jobs or jobs cut short due to lay-offs which are becoming increasingly common.

I agree. “Temp” does not seem good to me.

Believe it or not, some folks probably like “Temp”.

Government jobs seem fairly solid long term which is not always good.

On the other hand, some states have jobs galore. Maybe one does not want to pick up and move there, that is a consideration too.

 

[Sarcelle]

The problem with temployment is that there are no benefits, especially health benefits.

Also constantly moving around for jobs leads to an increasingly transient society where the sense of community is lost.

I’m sure there are long term ramifications to this.

We wonder why young people don’t settle down and start a family. How can they, when they’re constantly moving around to where the jobs are?

 

[ltwin]

Is depending on food stamps a form of welfare?

Yes. And as a Republican, I think SNAP is a wonderful program.

Even having a job doesn’t guarantee you a living wage. A lot of jobs do not pay well and the once well paying jobs such as factory jobs have either been automated or have moved abroad.

Meanwhile we have McJobs and temployment. Temployment, meaning short lived contract jobs or jobs cut short due to lay-offs which are becoming increasingly common.

Skilled workers may have leverage but wages have remained stagnant, benefits have been cut while the cost of living has gone up.

Unskilled workers are in a worst situation.

This is a much bigger, complex issue, and the solution is not to just give everyone food stamps. But I have no issue with people receiving food stamps if they need them. My family received food stamps at one time.

We also have a government that bails out huge corporations but spends months locked in conflict when it comes to giving ordinary people some financial relief.

I agree. Both Republicans and Democrats have been horrible when it comes to any financial crisis. I remember back to the 2008 financial crisis. Both Bush and Obama bailed out the banks who caused the crisis and left the victims behind.

 

[benjammin]

The problem is, who counts as truly needy. I have a brother with high functioning autism and some on our community have said to me that it seems like he’s “ faking it” though I’m guessing when most think of mental disabilities, they think of mental retardation so it might seem like those on the spectrum are not really struggling.

 

[Aulef]

The Republican party isn’t pro life in the sense that they promote contraception or at least are not against contraception.

 

[Dracarys]

So something’s only true if there’s a lawsuit? bySeriously?? OK, I’ll play the game.

How does any of this justify abuse?

You can post all the allegations you want, but you have no actual evidence of rampant abuse. Anyone can sue the deep pocketed US, but that doesn’t mean they prevailed in court. I know several border patrol and ICE agents. They don’t abuse anyone. They just want to do their job without being shot, stabbed, or have rocks thrown at them in the middle of the desert.

The illegal aliens broke the law and came here knowing this was a criminal act. So again I ask you; what would you have border patrol do with these criminals? Where should we put them?