Judas... great sinner or great necessity?

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Why would a disciple of the devil confess his sin? Surely he would have boasted about it and not felt any remorse.

Judas told the truth to the Jews!

Judas almost certainly had a false concept of the Messiah which was current among the Jews and demonstrated by Peter’s words:

Matthew 16:23
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		 		 	 	 How did Mormon writings become an authority on Judas?  They don't even recognize the same God the Catholics do?
I am very confused by this post. Odd. Why would you use non christian writings to clarify a christian point?

What do the Muslims think of Judas? forums.catholic-questions.org/images/buttons_khaki/quote.gifHow did Mormon writings become an authority on Judas? They don’t even recognize the same God the Catholics do?

I am very confused by this post. Odd. Why would you use non christian writings to clarify a christian point?

What do the Muslims think of Judas?
Your questions have nothing whatsoever to do with the points in my post.
  1. Why would a disciple of the devil have confessed his sin?
  2. Wouldn’t a disciple of the devil have boasted about it without feeling any remorse?
  3. Did Judas tell the truth to the Jews? If so why?
  4. Did the Jews have a false concept of the Messiah?
  5. Why did Jesus rebuke Peter?
 
Your questions have nothing whatsoever to do with the points in my post.
  1. Why would a disciple of the devil have confessed his sin?
  2. Wouldn’t a disciple of the devil have boasted about it without feeling any remorse?
  3. Did Judas tell the truth to the Jews? If so why?
  4. Did the Jews have a false concept of the Messiah?
  5. Why did Jesus rebuke Peter?
Why do you declare yourself a catholic while you are looking for “inspiration” in Mormon texts?
 
Your questions have nothing whatsoever to do with the points in my post.
  1. Why would a disciple of the devil have confessed his sin?
  2. Wouldn’t a disciple of the devil have boasted about it without feeling any remorse?
  3. Did Judas tell the truth to the Jews? If so why?
  4. Did the Jews have a false concept of the Messiah?
  5. Why did Jesus rebuke Peter?
LOL! Are you serious!? You are the one citing Mormon texts for your argument and then when I ask why you say it has nothing whatsoever to do with it? Then why did you cite them?

Are you aware of the Mormon faith?
Do you believe that Jesus and the Devil were Brothers?

As a former Mormon I can speak to these texts if you wish. I can also tell you that they are absolutely 100 percent not relevant to the discussion. I am really wondering why you brought them into it and it discredits your previous arguments which I must say were very well thought out and logical. Is this a accidental citation of works to support your theory that you just found in doing a search? Or did you mean to post them?

Either way, it means nothing. You might as well cite Harry Potter novels on the subject.😉
 
I had not given Judas much thought until I came across this thread.

It is interesting that he was chosen as a disciple and that he betrayed Jesus when really there would have been other ways the authorities could have apprehended Him.
What is his role? How is He needed and essential to the Story.

I have to consider that:
Matt 26:24 " . . . But woe to that man who betrays the Son of Man! It would be better for him if he had not been born."
Mark 14:21" . . . But woe to that man who betrays the Son of Man! It would be better for him if he had not been born."
Luke 22:22 " . . . But woe to that man who betrays him!”
John 13 . . . Having loved his own who were in the world, he loved them to the end. The evening meal was in progress, and the devil had already prompted Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot, to betray Jesus. Jesus knew that the Father had put all things under his power, and that he had come from God and was returning to God; so he got up from the meal, took off his outer clothing, and wrapped a towel around his waist. After that, he poured water into a basin and began to wash his disciples’ feet, drying them with the towel that was wrapped around him. . . . Jesus answered, “Those who have had a bath need only to wash their feet; their whole body is clean. And you are clean, though not every one of you.” For he knew who was going to betray him, and that was why he said not every one was clean. . . Very truly I tell you, no servant is greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him. Now that you know these things, you will be blessed if you do them. “I am not referring to all of you; I know those I have chosen. But this is to fulfill this passage of Scripture: ‘He who shared my bread has turned against me.’“ . . . After he had said this, Jesus was troubled in spirit and testified, “Very truly I tell you, one of you is going to betray me.” . . . Jesus answered, “It is the one to whom I will give this piece of bread when I have dipped it in the dish.” Then, dipping the piece of bread, he gave it to Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot. As soon as Judas took the bread, Satan entered into him. So Jesus told him, “What you are about to do, do quickly.” But no one at the meal understood why Jesus said this to him. Since Judas had charge of the money, some thought Jesus was telling him to buy what was needed for the festival, or to give something to the poor. As soon as Judas had taken the bread, he went out. And it was night." . . .

As to his fate, it seems to me that if one is to spend eternity face-to-face with God, it is good that he was born.

Jesus is having Passover meal with those He loves. Judas had succumbed to the Devil’s temptation before the meal, having made arrangements with the chief priests. As Cain was warned by God, so is Judas. In the act of taking the bread, Judas, like Adam, chooses to betray our Lord. Satan enters into him. No one could imagine that someone who knew Jesus and had witnessed all that He had done, could betray Him. It can be difficult to accept that someone, all of us actually when we sin, can reject God’s love.

Scripture reveals the extent of God’s love for us. It also makes it perfectly clear that there is judgement. There are reasons why Judas was chosen as an apostle; he could have chosen not to betray Jesus, and what then could have been his ministry would have brought many to God. As it is, he does so by making us reflect on the nature of sin, how readily we can succumb to it as well as on its dire consequences.
 
Why do you declare yourself a catholic while you are looking for “inspiration” in Mormon texts?
Do you think every single statement made by a Mormon is false?

You have still failed to answer these questions:
  1. Why would a disciple of the devil have confessed his sin?
  2. Wouldn’t a disciple of the devil have boasted about it without feeling any remorse?
  3. Did Judas tell the truth to the Jews? If so why?
  4. Did the Jews have a false concept of the Messiah?
  5. Why did Jesus rebuke Peter?
 
LOL! Are you serious!? You are the one citing Mormon texts for your argument and then when I ask why you say it has nothing whatsoever to do with it? Then why did you cite them?

Are you aware of the Mormon faith?
Do you believe that Jesus and the Devil were Brothers?

As a former Mormon I can speak to these texts if you wish. I can also tell you that they are absolutely 100 percent not relevant to the discussion. I am really wondering why you brought them into it and it discredits your previous arguments which I must say were very well thought out and logical. Is this a accidental citation of works to support your theory that you just found in doing a search? Or did you mean to post them?

Either way, it means nothing. You might as well cite Harry Potter novels on the subject.
Do you think every single statement made by a Mormon is false?

You have failed to answer these questions:
  1. Why would a disciple of the devil have confessed his sin?
  2. Wouldn’t a disciple of the devil have boasted about it without feeling any remorse?
  3. Did Judas tell the truth to the Jews? If so why?
  4. Did the Jews have a false concept of the Messiah?
  5. Why did Jesus rebuke Peter?
 
I had not given Judas much thought until I came across this thread.

It is interesting that he was chosen as a disciple and that he betrayed Jesus when really there would have been other ways the authorities could have apprehended Him.
What is his role? How is He needed and essential to the Story.

I have to consider that:
Matt 26:24 " . . . But woe to that man who betrays the Son of Man! It would be better for him if he had not been born."
Mark 14:21" . . . But woe to that man who betrays the Son of Man! It would be better for him if he had not been born."
Luke 22:22 " . . . But woe to that man who betrays him!”
John 13 . . . Having loved his own who were in the world, he loved them to the end. The evening meal was in progress, and the devil had already prompted Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot, to betray Jesus. Jesus knew that the Father had put all things under his power, and that he had come from God and was returning to God; so he got up from the meal, took off his outer clothing, and wrapped a towel around his waist. After that, he poured water into a basin and began to wash his disciples’ feet, drying them with the towel that was wrapped around him. . . . Jesus answered, “Those who have had a bath need only to wash their feet; their whole body is clean. And you are clean, though not every one of you.” For he knew who was going to betray him, and that was why he said not every one was clean. . . Very truly I tell you, no servant is greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him. Now that you know these things, you will be blessed if you do them. “I am not referring to all of you; I know those I have chosen. But this is to fulfill this passage of Scripture: ‘He who shared my bread has turned against me.’“ . . . After he had said this, Jesus was troubled in spirit and testified, “Very truly I tell you, one of you is going to betray me.” . . . Jesus answered, “It is the one to whom I will give this piece of bread when I have dipped it in the dish.” Then, dipping the piece of bread, he gave it to Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot. As soon as Judas took the bread, Satan entered into him. So Jesus told him, “What you are about to do, do quickly.” But no one at the meal understood why Jesus said this to him. Since Judas had charge of the money, some thought Jesus was telling him to buy what was needed for the festival, or to give something to the poor. As soon as Judas had taken the bread, he went out. And it was night." . . .

As to his fate, it seems to me that if one is to spend eternity face-to-face with God, it is good that he was born.

Jesus is having Passover meal with those He loves. Judas had succumbed to the Devil’s temptation before the meal, having made arrangements with the chief priests. As Cain was warned by God, so is Judas. In the act of taking the bread, Judas, like Adam, chooses to betray our Lord. Satan enters into him. No one could imagine that someone who knew Jesus and had witnessed all that He had done, could betray Him. It can be difficult to accept that someone, all of us actually when we sin, can reject God’s love.

Scripture reveals the extent of God’s love for us. It also makes it perfectly clear that there is judgement. There are reasons why Judas was chosen as an apostle; he could have chosen not to betray Jesus, and what then could have been his ministry would have brought many to God. As it is, he does so by making us reflect on the nature of sin, how readily we can succumb to it as well as on its dire consequences.
👍 Even though many are swift to condemn Judas they forget “it is good that he was born” and suffered the unimaginable torment of remorse - which is a far cry from the pure evil and diabolical delight of Satan reflected in those who derive pleasure from torturing and murdering children, an atrocity which serves no beneficial purpose whatsoever.
 
Your dogmatism is inconsistent with the Church’s teaching:

It also contradicts the teaching of Jesus that for God all things are possible.

We are expected to acknowledge our ignorance, not be like Pharisees who condemn others and bring religion into disrepute.
I am dogmatic and I love it! :love:
 
*Your dogmatism is inconsistent with the Church’s teaching:
When dogmatism contradicts the teaching of Jesus it becomes fanaticism…
  1. Why would a disciple of the devil have confessed his sin?
  2. Wouldn’t a disciple of the devil have boasted about it without feeling any remorse?
  3. Did Judas tell the truth to the Jews? If so why?
  4. Did the Jews have a false concept of the Messiah?
  5. Why did Jesus rebuke Peter?
 
When dogmatism contradicts the teaching of Jesus it becomes fanaticism…
  1. Why would a disciple of the devil have confessed his sin?
  2. Wouldn’t a disciple of the devil have boasted about it without feeling any remorse?
  3. Did Judas tell the truth to the Jews? If so why?
  4. Did the Jews have a false concept of the Messiah?
  5. Why did Jesus rebuke Peter?
You might have learned Catholicism from the Mormon writings:whistle:

Now just for the sake of the truth, which is Christ our Lord, which can’t be found in the Mormon writings…

Confession and repentance is not merely saying by your own perception what have you done wrong and being sorry because the consequences feel bad, or other people suffer in some way, and you did not intended it.

The most important thing that you acknowledge repenting a sin is that you have offended God. And this is the part missing in Judas regrets: he did not recognized that he betrayed the Master. Instead of “I have sinned, I have betrayed my master” which takes you right away on the way of reconciliation with the Master, he thought " I have sold innocent blood" which keeps you in a irreconcilable conflict with everybody.

You commit suicide you commit mortal sin with no repentance possible. If someone jumps off a cliff, saying sorry on the way down is not enough.
And if that person commit suicide thinking that anyway God can save him from hell, it might add the sin of presumption.

If you take as truth the Mormon writings that’s all yours, but have the common sense and put it in your banner…and do not judge other people fanatics because they do not agree with the Mormon texts.
 
Do you think every single statement made by a Mormon is false?

You have failed to answer these questions:
  1. Why would a disciple of the devil have confessed his sin?
  2. Wouldn’t a disciple of the devil have boasted about it without feeling any remorse?
  3. Did Judas tell the truth to the Jews? If so why?
  4. Did the Jews have a false concept of the Messiah?
  5. Why did Jesus rebuke Peter?
I think that when speaking on Catholic boards talking about Christian Characters in a Christian faith you should cite Christian sources. Why would you use other religions to back up a Christian assertion? What do the Muslims think of Judas? What does the Koran say?

See, it doesn’t matter.
  1. I don’t know.
  2. I don’t know what a disciple of the devil would have done. But remorse is not enough for forgiveness. You should know that. Many a felon is “sorry”
  3. When? What “truth” What are you meaning here? What is your source?
    As to why? I don’t know. Perhaps Judas spoke true in His life and died in mortal sin.🤷\
  4. What do you mean the “Jews”? All of them? Some of them? Sure some had a false idea of the messiah. Some CHristians still do. Heck, some Mormons still do. Why is that relevant?
  5. Why did Jesus rebuke Peter? I guess you can read the Bible. And I guess that when Jesus denies Jesus you can see how he was repentant. You can see that after the resurrection and pentecost the apostles were given graces and powers that Judas missed out on, Peter, the man who was rebuked went on to be rebuked by Paul as well, during which time he was Pope, and leader of the Church. The Vicar of Christ. Peter, the same man who fled, who did not understand, whom CHrist rebuked. DIed. But he died in and for Christ. Crucified Upside down. Judas took his own life rather than make amends, rather than believe in Mercy and by extension Jesus.
Now I have been polite enouig to answer your questions. Could you please answer mine.

Why are you citing mormon references. Mormons, who do not even understand the trinity. Who think Jesus is not The Triune God. Who have modern holy books that contain many many errors. Who are not even Christian?

Why would you use these texts? Are you mormon? Do you know about the mormon faith?
 
I think that when speaking on Catholic boards talking about Christian Characters in a Christian faith you should cite Christian sources. Why would you use other religions to back up a Christian assertion? What do the Muslims think of Judas? What does the Koran say?

See, it doesn’t matter.
  1. I don’t know.
  2. I don’t know what a disciple of the devil would have done. But remorse is not enough for forgiveness. You should know that. Many a felon is “sorry”
  3. When? What “truth” What are you meaning here? What is your source?
    As to why? I don’t know. Perhaps Judas spoke true in His life and died in mortal sin.🤷\
  4. What do you mean the “Jews”? All of them? Some of them? Sure some had a false idea of the messiah. Some CHristians still do. Heck, some Mormons still do. Why is that relevant?
  5. Why did Jesus rebuke Peter? I guess you can read the Bible. And I guess that when Jesus denies Jesus you can see how he was repentant. You can see that after the resurrection and pentecost the apostles were given graces and powers that Judas missed out on, Peter, the man who was rebuked went on to be rebuked by Paul as well, during which time he was Pope, and leader of the Church. The Vicar of Christ. Peter, the same man who fled, who did not understand, whom CHrist rebuked. DIed. But he died in and for Christ. Crucified Upside down. Judas took his own life rather than make amends, rather than believe in Mercy and by extension Jesus.
Now I have been polite enouig to answer your questions. Could you please answer mine.

Why are you citing mormon references. Mormons, who do not even understand the trinity. Who think Jesus is not The Triune God. Who have modern holy books that contain many many errors. Who are not even Christian?

Why would you use these texts? Are you mormon? Do you know about the mormon faith?
The truth is not the monopoly of Catholicism. Your other questions are discourteous - an infringement of the forum rules - unnecessary and irrelevant. The topic is whether Judas is a great sinner or compelled to act as he did - to which the reply is that we do not know to what extent he was possessed:
During supper, the devil having already put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon, to betray Him…
John 13:2

The key word in your post is “perhaps” - which implies that you are not certain that Judas is in hell. It is possible that he was a Zealot who had a false concept of the Messiah who would lead the Jews to victory over the Romans:
Not even Jesus’ triumphal entry into Jerusalem as King of Israel could dissuade him from his course. Judas had convinced himself that Jesus was a false Messiah and that He had to pay for His deception.
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So Judas betrayed Jesus, who was arrested, tried, convicted, and sentenced      to die — just as He had foretold. With the prophecies fulfilled before his      eyes, Judas Iscariot saw how He had misunderstood all along:
          [INDENT]             *Then Judas, His betrayer, seeing that He had been              condemned, was remorseful and brought back the thirty pieces of              silver to the chief priests and elders, saying, "I have sinned by              betraying innocent blood." And they said, "What is that to us? You              see to it!" Then he threw down the pieces of silver in the temple              and departed, and went and hanged himself. (Matthew 27:3-5*
         [/INDENT]    It was too late. All the remorse in the world could not undo      the damage he had caused—he had condemned the Savior of the world, the King      of kings, to a cruel, shameful, painful death by crucifixion. 

What terrible destruction we can cause when we proudly act on our own      private interpretations of Jesus' teachings or scripture.
thenazareneway.com/holy_week/why_did_judas_betray.htm
 
The truth is not the monopoly of Catholicism. Your other questions are discourteous - an infringement of the forum rules - unnecessary and irrelevant. The topic is whether Judas is a great sinner or compelled to act as he did - to which the reply is that we do not know to what extent he was possessed:

John 13:2

The key word in your post is “perhaps” - which implies that you are not certain that Judas is in hell. It is possible that he was a Zealot who had a false concept of the Messiah who would lead the Jews to victory over the Romans:

thenazareneway.com/holy_week/why_did_judas_betray.htm
If I am breaching forum rules, a moderator will let me know. So far as I am aware I am not. I doubt you know much about mormonism but until you can speak to my questions I cannot contribute to an intellectually dishonest discussion. You brought mormon texts into the discussion. I have asked repeatedly why. You will not answer. I have no other alternative except to assume you have an agenda you do not wish to disclose at this time, or you are ignorant of the writings you posted. I am sorry we cannot continue this discussion. As I said earlier, you were making a very logical and sensical position. Now, that has been clouded. 🤷
 
Of course other non christian faiths have had an idea about this subject as well.

So, here goes.

Muslims have a very different account of the entire story. The quran states that Jesus was not crucified.
Qur’an 4:15,
“They slew him not nor crucified but it appeared so unto them.”
But what happened to Jesus you ask?

Some Muslims have used the “gospel of Barnabas” Using Judas, on the Cross, in the likeness of Jesus.
Chapter 216: Judas Transformed:“Judas entered impetuously before all into the chamber whence Jesus had been taken up. And the disciples were sleeping. Whereupon the wonderful God acted wonderfully, insomuch that Judas was so changed in speech and in face to be like Jesus that we believed him to be Jesus. And he, having awakened us, was seeking where the Master was. Whereupon we marvelled, and answered: ‘You, Lord, are our master; have you now forgotten us?’
And he, smiling, said: ‘Now are you foolish, that know not me to be Judas Iscariot!’ And as he was saying this the soldiery entered, and laid their hands upon Judas, because he was in every way like to Jesus. We having heard Judas’ saying, and seeing the multitude of soldiers, fled as beside ourselves. And John, who was wrapped in a linen cloth, awoke and fled, and when a soldier seized him by the linen cloth he left the linen cloth and fled naked. For God heard the prayer of Jesus, and saved the eleven from evil.”
Chapter 217: Judas was Crucified “The soldiers took Judas; and bound him, not without derision. For he truthfully denied that he was Jesus; and the soldiers, mocking him, said: ‘Sir, fear not, for we are come to make you king of Israel, and we have bound you because we know that you do refuse the kingdom.’ Judas answered: ‘Now have you lost your senses! You are come to take Jesus of Nazareth, with arms and lanterns as [against] a robber; and you have bound me that have guided you, to make me king!’ … So they led him to Mount Calvary, where they used to hang malefactors, and there they crucified him naked;, for the greater ignominy. Judas truly did nothing else but cry out: ‘God, why have you forsaken me, seeing the malefactor has escaped and I die unjustly?’ *Truly I say that the voice, the face, and the person of Judas were so like to Jesus, that his disciples and believers entirely believed that he was Jesus; …”

This of course is not Christian, and many scholars have noted inconsistencies in the book even some Muslims agree. But others, use it to defend the Islamic view of Jesus.

My point is this.

Using other, non Catholic sources, leads down a rabbit hole of falsehoods.

Quran, Book of Mormon, Gospel of Judas, Gospel of Barnabas. Etc. For a Catholic, These books have a false view of Jesus and Judas.
 
Dante puts Judas in the 9th circle. The deepest part of hell. Judas, Brutus, and Cassius are in the Devils mouth, chewed for all eternity. Ptolemy Cain and others are also there.

While Dante is hardly an authority on doctrine I think he is quite relevant to the discussion from a Catholic perspective.
 
My point is this.

Using other, non Catholic sources, leads down a rabbit hole of falsehoods.

Quran, Book of Mormon, Gospel of Judas, Gospel of Barnabas. Etc. For a Catholic, These books have a false view of Jesus and Judas.
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If I am breaching forum rules, a moderator will let me know. So far as I am aware I am not.
Moderators don’t usually intervene on the first occasion…
I doubt you know much about mormonism but until you can speak to my questions I cannot contribute to an intellectually dishonest discussion. You brought mormon texts into the discussion. I have asked repeatedly why. You will not answer. I have no other alternative except to assume you have an agenda you do not wish to disclose at this time, or you are ignorant of the writings you posted. I am sorry we cannot continue this discussion. As I said earlier, you were making a very logical and sensical position. Now, that has been clouded.
It is evident to everyone that the view about Judas I cited is not specifically Mormon. Your implication that I am intellectually dishonest and your surmise about my hypothetical agenda are further infringements of the forum courtesy rule.
 
Dante puts Judas in the 9th circle. The deepest part of hell. Judas, Brutus, and Cassius are in the Devils mouth, chewed for all eternity. Ptolemy Cain and others are also there.

While Dante is hardly an authority on doctrine I think he is quite relevant to the discussion from a Catholic perspective.
Non sequitur. “hardly an authority” is an inadequate basis for the conclusion that** Judas is in hell from a Catholic perspective**.
 
Of course other non christian faiths have had an idea about this subject as well.

So, here goes.

Muslims have a very different account of the entire story. The quran states that Jesus was not crucified.

But what happened to Jesus you ask?

Some Muslims have used the “gospel of Barnabas” Using Judas, on the Cross, in the likeness of Jesus.

This of course is not Christian, and many scholars have noted inconsistencies in the book even some Muslims agree. But others, use it to defend the Islamic view of Jesus.

My point is this.

Using other, non Catholic sources, leads down a rabbit hole of falsehoods.

Quran, Book of Mormon, Gospel of Judas, Gospel of Barnabas. Etc. For a Catholic, These books have a false view of Jesus and Judas.
The implication that all non-Catholic views of Judas are false is undermined by the fact
that there are Catholic priests who believe he was a Zealot or at least sympathised with the Zealots:
…We can plausibly imagine Judas as someone with restoration fervour,** just like the people generally**. At the centre of this feeling was the figure of Jesus, the one whom the crowds loved. In Jerusalem that week, the conditions for igniting the spark of liberation were ideal. You had masses of people, nationalist emotion and a burning desire to see the back of the Romans. When the soldiers came to take Jesus, the moment when Jesus by refusing to go with them, could have set the revolt in motion and be sure of an enthusiastic following, what Judas sees when he gives the signal (the kiss), is that Jesus allows himself instead to be meekly led away. All that Judas had lived and hoped for, all that he had spent his life dreaming about and longing for, everything comes suddenly crashing down…History has it that Judas betrayed Jesus. It’s equally plausible from another point of view to think that it was Judas who considered himself betrayed.
Where did Judas go wrong? Not in terms of motivation. He wanted a national restoration, a new dispensation of freedom and self-rule. There’s nothing wrong with that. All colonials want independence. Judas wanted it in the way that he did, and he assumed that Jesus wanted the same thing. In other words, it was not so much Judas following and being a disciple of Jesus as Jesus following Judas and being his disciple.
We are often no different. Sometimes we talk about God being for this or that, but the truth of the matter is that we are for it, and we rope in God to back up the position we take or the side we’re on. And often, as happened with Judas, things take a sudden turn, quite differently from how we imagined or wished. It’s God’s way of saying to us: “Your ways are not my ways; my ways are not yours.”
We are all the disciples and all of the participants in the Passion; we are each at different times and in different ways: we wash our hands of situations and people, like Pilate; we are envious like the Pharisees, we want Barabbas because we get tired sometimes of all the God talk, the Jesus talk, and all the pious hoop-la; and we are all Judas too. With the best of intentions what we call following Jesus is really Jesus following us. In other words, as has often been said, the Biblical story is our story. The Passion is only different in that it allows us to see this up close and in a more dramatic and intensive manner.
joyfulpapist.wordpress.com/2012/04/03/we-are-also-judas/
 
You might have learned Catholicism from the Mormon writings

Now just for the sake of the truth, which is Christ our Lord, which can’t be found in the Mormon writings…

Confession and repentance is not merely saying by your own perception what have you done wrong and being sorry because the consequences feel bad, or other people suffer in some way, and you did not intended it.

The most important thing that you acknowledge repenting a sin is that you have offended God. And this is the part missing in Judas regrets: he did not recognized that he betrayed the Master. Instead of “I have sinned, I have betrayed my master” which takes you right away on the way of reconciliation with the Master, he thought " I have sold innocent blood" which keeps you in a irreconcilable conflict with everybody.

You commit suicide you commit mortal sin with no repentance possible. If someone jumps off a cliff, saying sorry on the way down is not enough.
And if that person commit suicide thinking that anyway God can save him from hell, it might add the sin of presumption.

If you take as truth the Mormon writings that’s all yours, but have the common sense and put it in your banner…and do not judge other people fanatics because they do not agree with the Mormon texts.
Your view that Judas is damned is **not **Catholic doctrine:
But, apart from this consideration, it may be urged that in exaggerating the original malice of Judas, or denying that there was even any good in him, we minimize or miss the lesson of this fall. The examples of the saints are lost on us if we think of them as being of another order without our human weaknesses. And in the same way it is a grave mistake to think of Judas as a demon without any elements of goodness and grace. In his fall is left a warning that even the great grace of the Apostolate and the familiar friendship of Jesus may be of no avail to one who is unfaithful. And, though nothing should be allowed to palliate the guilt of the great betrayal, it may become more intelligible if we think of it as the outcome of gradual failing in lesser things. So again the repentance may be taken to imply that the traitor deceived himself by a false hope that after all Christ might pass through the midst of His enemies as He had done before at the brow of the mountain. And though the circumstances of the death of the traitor give too much reason to fear the worst, **the Sacred Text does not distinctly reject the possibility of real repentance. **And Origen strangely supposed that Judas hanged himself in order to seek Christ in the other world and ask His pardon (In Matt., tract. xxxv).
Pope Benedict:
In fact, though Judas is the group’s administrator (cf. John 12:6b; 13:29a), in reality he is also called “thief” (John 12:6a). The mystery of the choice is even greater, as Jesus utters a very severe judgment on him: “Woe to that man by whom the son of man is betrayed!” (Matthew 26:24).
This mystery is even more profound if one thinks of his eternal fate, knowing that Judas “repented and brought back the 30 pieces of silver to the chief priests and the elders, saying ‘I have sinned in betraying innocent blood’” (Matthew 27:3-4). Though he departed afterward to hang himself (cf. Matthew 27:5),** it is not for us to judge his gesture, putting ourselves in God’s place, who is infinitely merciful and just. **
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