Kujo313's Assertions About Catholic Marian Beliefs (Isis!?...Goddess!?)

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Hmmm … you two wouldn’t be taking a sneaky stab at the quality of my posts, eh? :rolleyes:
 
I think people also need to keep in mind that Protestant Christianity is VERY individualist, and can sometimes treat humans with suspicion. There is so much emphasis on a “personal relationship with Jesus Christ” that sometimes Protestants view other humans, including living ones, as obstacles to God. I remember an article by Bethany Tarode, a Christian writer, who talked about how she and her younger sister were TERRIFIED that they would one day love their husbands more than they loved Jesus. I can’t say that surprised me. When I spent my time in the Evangelical circles, there was this sense of, “Be careful in wanting to get married. If you want to get married, it means that you don’t really love God, because you want someone else. Plus, getting married is dangerous. You feel so strongly about your spouse that you start to love your spouse more than you love God.” In a sense, they believe that God sees the love that spouses have for each other and becomes very jealous, and angry that they feel so strongly about each other.
Think about it. According to this mindset, even a person’s own spouse is a hinderance to his relationship with God.
From this mindset, it’s easy to see why devotion to Saints and the Blessed Virgin are dangerous. Relationships with other people hurt our relationship with God.
Sad, isn’t it? 😦
 
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Eden:
I think that could be what we call a “back-handed compliment”. :hmmm:
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I suspected as much … at least I know how to use the quote functions though 😛
 
valient Lucy:
I think people also need to keep in mind that Protestant Christianity is VERY individualist, and can sometimes treat humans with suspicion. There is so much emphasis on a “personal relationship with Jesus Christ” that sometimes Protestants view other humans, including living ones, as obstacles to God. I remember an article by Bethany Tarode, a Christian writer, who talked about how she and her younger sister were TERRIFIED that they would one day love their husbands more than they loved Jesus. I can’t say that surprised me. When I spent my time in the Evangelical circles, there was this sense of, “Be careful in wanting to get married. If you want to get married, it means that you don’t really love God, because you want someone else. Plus, getting married is dangerous. You feel so strongly about your spouse that you start to love your spouse more than you love God.” In a sense, they believe that God sees the love that spouses have for each other and becomes very jealous, and angry that they feel so strongly about each other.
Think about it. According to this mindset, even a person’s own spouse is a hinderance to his relationship with God.
From this mindset, it’s easy to see why devotion to Saints and the Blessed Virgin are dangerous. Relationships with other people hurt our relationship with God.
Sad, isn’t it? 😦
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That’s funny. This evangelical theory lends credence to the RCC discipline of not allowing the priests and nuns to marry. 🙂 I bet they would faint if they knew they were inadvertently supporting a RCC practice that most protestants usually attack.
 
Your posts are GREAT!!!
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Yeah, especially the ones I write at 3am or some equally ungodly hour when I can’t sleep … pure gold those 😃
 
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LilyM:
Hmmm … you two wouldn’t be taking a sneaky stab at the quality of my posts, eh? :rolleyes:
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If you guys had to figure out as many posts a day as I do Lily, you’d know I wasn’t kidding. :whacky: Besides, we mods have no sense of humor. :whistle: :ehh:
 
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Nicene:
So you have a problem with Kujo praying for others as well, correct? He is interceding after all and no one needs his prayers for them, they have Jesus. His prayer, as a sinner, is useless correct?

I also see you honor Mary 👍 how exactly do you and your church practice that?

Peace and God Bless
Nicene
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I do not have a problem with Kujo praying for others. If he has asked for forgiveness before starting to pray for me, Jesus will hear him. So…are YOU saying that priests are sinless?
 
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pirate87:
I do not have a problem with Kujo praying for others. If he has asked for forgiveness before starting to pray for me, Jesus will hear him. So…are YOU saying that priests are sinless?
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Nope.
 
Michael Francis:
If you guys had to figure out as many posts a day as I do Lily, you’d know I wasn’t kidding. :whacky: Besides, we mods have no sense of humor. :whistle: :ehh:
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Fair enough - short and sweet it is from now on - and humourless as well.
 
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Magicsilence:
  1. Well, had the possibility to sin, yes. We will leave whether or not she did to another thread.
  2. Mary is not dead!! She is very much alive. Do you believe in life after death?
  3. Jesus IS GOD. Or do you not hold to that. If you are comfortable approaching the Almighty Creator of all things then that is fine. All we do is recognise how sinful we are, and think it best to ask as many people as we can to pray for us. Those in heaven are glorified and ALIVE, much more so than anyone on earth. They have lived their earthly life and are there to help us.
“Jim, I have an operation today, would you pray for me?”

“Sure Tom”

“Thanks”

Jim is a MEDIATOR to talk to God. Thats all a mediator is.

Talking to Jesus IS talking to God. As long as you are comfortable you are pure enough to have it one on one on judgement day, go for it.

In Christ.

Andre.
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Hi! In response to your responses 🙂
  1. Mary did sin: “For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.”
  2. Sorry, you have corrected me. Mary has died, but she is alive in heaven, as are all of my Christian ancesters. However, I don’t think that any of my ancesters OR Mary can hear me if I try to pray to them. I absolutely believe in a life after death 😉
  3. I definitely DO hold that Jesus is God. But there are three aspects of God: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. When Jesus accended into Heaven, He sent the Holy Spirit to guide and direct us and to lead us to repentance and salvation. When Jesus accended into Heaven, He became the ONLY mediator between God and men as seen here:
    I Timothy 2:5: “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;”
    A mediator is someone to directly talks to the Father. There is only one mediator and that mediator is Jesus.
Just though I’d clear that up. It says it plainly in the Bible…so…
Thanks!
pirate87
 
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pirate87:
However, I don’t think that any of my ancesters OR Mary can hear me if I try to pray to them.
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Hmmm. It’s clear that the apostles did believe that the saints in heaven could hear them. That’s in the Bible too; but I guess they didn’t know any better. 🤓
 
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pirate87:
Hi! In response to your responses 🙂
  1. Mary did sin: “For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.”
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take a break… read Psalm 14 and get back to us… and you will see what Paul was talking about…

sola scriptura can really get you in confusion if not outright trouble.
 
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pirate87:
Hi! In response to your responses 🙂
  1. Mary did sin: “For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.”
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So you are saying Christ sinned? Or was He not a fully human? How do you explain Elijah?
  1. Sorry, you have corrected me. Mary has died, but she is alive in heaven, as are all of my Christian ancesters. However, I don’t think that any of my ancesters OR Mary can hear me if I try to pray to them. I absolutely believe in a life after death 😉
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How do you explain what happened at the transiguration?
  1. I definitely DO hold that Jesus is God. But there are three aspects of God: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. When Jesus accended into Heaven, He sent the Holy Spirit to guide and direct us and to lead us to repentance and salvation. When Jesus accended into Heaven, He became the ONLY mediator between God and men as seen here:
    I Timothy 2:5: “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;”
    A mediator is someone to directly talks to the Father. There is only one mediator and that mediator is Jesus.
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Jesus mediates for your sins or your prayers? I thought he was the sacrifice? Doesn’t Jesus tear down the curtain so we may pray directly to God? If you are praying for another person aren’t you mediating? Aren’t you praying to God directly without Jesus mediating on their behalf?

Or do you not pray to the Father?
Do you pray to the Holy Spirit?

I would suggest looking up the role of the High Priest in the OT and see what Jesus is doing in His role as the High Priest. Also look at what the sacrifice is in the OT to understand Jesus as the sacrifice.

Saying that people don’t hear our prayers is pure speculation and not biblical. Do christians stop wanting what God wants “Thy will be done” simply because their mortal remains perished? Are they no longer Christians?

Peace and God Bless
Nicene
 
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pirate87:
I Timothy 2:5: “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;”
A mediator is someone to directly talks to the Father. There is only one mediator and that mediator is Jesus.
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When St. Paul asks for prayers, he is talking about subordinate mediation:

God Desires and Responds to Our Subordinate Mediation / Intercessory Prayer

1 Tim 2:1-2 - because Jesus Christ is the one mediator between God and man (1 Tim. 2:5), many Protestants deny the Catholic belief that the saints on earth and in heaven can mediate on our behalf. But before Paul’s teaching about Jesus as the “one mediator,” Paul urges supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people. Paul is thus appealing for mediation from others besides Christ, the one mediator. Why?

1 Tim 2:3 - because this subordinate mediation is good and acceptable to God our Savior. Because God is our Father and we are His children, God invites us to participate in Christ’s role as mediator.

1 Tim. 2:5 - therefore, although Jesus Christ is the sole mediator between God and man, there are many intercessors (subordinate mediators).

1 Cor. 3:9 - God invites us to participate in Christ’s work because we are God’s “fellow workers” and one family in the body of Christ. God wants His children to participate. The phrase used to describe “fellow workers” is “sunergoi,” which literally means synergists, or cooperators with God in salvific matters. Does God need fellow workers? Of course not, but this shows how much He, as Father, loves His children. God wants us to work with Him.

Mark 16:20 - this is another example of how the Lord “worked with them” (“sunergountos”). God cooperates with us. Out of His eternal love, He invites our participation.

Rom. 8:28 - God “works for good with” (the Greek is “sunergei eis agathon”) those who love Him. We work as subordinate mediators.

2 Cor. 6:1 - “working together” (the Greek is “sunergountes”) with him, don’t accept His grace in vain. God allows us to participate in His work, not because He needs our help, but because He loves us and wants to exalt us in His Son. It is like the father who lets his child join him in carrying the groceries in the house. The father does not need help, but he invites the child to assist to raise up the child in dignity and love.

Heb. 12:1 - the “cloud of witnesses” (nephos marturon) that we are surrounded by is a great amphitheatre of witnesses to the earthly race, and they actively participate and cheer us (the runners) on, in our race to salvation.

1 Peter 2:5 - we are a holy priesthood, instructed to offer spiritual sacrifices to God. We are therefore subordinate priests to the Head Priest, but we are still priests who participate in Christ’s work of redemption.

Rev. 1:6, 5:10 - Jesus made us a kingdom of priests for God. Priests intercede through Christ on behalf of God’s people.

James 5:16; Proverbs 15:8, 29 - the prayers of the righteous (the saints) have powerful effects. This is why we ask for their prayers. How much more powerful are the saints’ prayers in heaven, in whom righteousness has been perfected.

1 Tim 2:5-6 - therefore, it is because Jesus Christ is the one mediator before God that we can be subordinate mediators. Jesus is the reason. The Catholic position thus gives Jesus the most glory. He does it all but loves us so much He desires our participation.

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MrS:
take a break… read Psalm 14 and get back to us… and you will see what Paul was talking about…

sola scriptura can really get you in confusion if not outright trouble.
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What does Psalm 14 have to do with anything? And do you have to be so rude? : “take a break”…
 
Psalm 14:3 "They have all turned aside, together they have become corrupt; There is no one who does good, not even one.

Thank you for proving my point!
 
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