Mariwan Halabjayee flees fatwa

[randel]

cestusdei:

As for Jews. Well we know how muslims treated Jews back in ole’ mo’s day and to this day. How many Jews in Saudi Arabia.

Hi cestusdei,

The Nazarites and the Jews of Medina who were under Moslems and their [last] Prophet’s time, were allowed freely to follow their faith and there are examples when their Prophet even revived/enforced certain precept/injunction of Torah on them.
The [last] Prophet of Moslem was very tolerant thus eventually all Jews and Nazarites of Medina and surrounding areas embraced Islam.
And those who were far and away from ideal Moslem society, they did not have chance to see the tolerance of Islam, thus they remained in their Judaism, because Moslems did not even force them change their faith, as such in countries like Egypt, Yemen etc still there are Christians and Jews. Some ignorant Moslem individuals may have excercise their ignorance on Christians or Jews but Moslems as a whole, generally were and are generous and tolerant people.
Think about Hindus of India. There Moslem ruled almost thousand years. In thousand years if they ever had used any type of force, financial or military you would not have found a single Hindu in India today. But if you go to India you find all types of Hindus and they are in majority.
Now, you cannot cite some qoutes from here and there or hearsay to make a case against Moslems as a whole. Because even in todays age not every news report is true rendition of facts. Just read the various newspapers and you will see a variety of conflicting reports about one issue. But to know the fact, you keep in mind various contexts and criterias.

 

[randel]

cestusdei:

If I want prostitutes I can find them in any Arab city. Along with the other things you mention.

Hi cestusdei,

Ofcourse and it is because those Arab cities are partly spoiled by the evil videos, movies and literature that basically originate from the Western free societies and speard all over the Moslem world with the help of Arab dictators and tyrants who are fully supported by the Western countries.
And not to mention the role of Western media who always look for ways to spread it’s evil to corrupt other non Western societies. Because the main source of income of Western media is selling it’s own false propaganda and ills and evil items thus the more it spread it’s falshood and evil and promote ills of Western society, the more possibility of making money for the Western media and it’s backbones. And since Western media is basically a faithless, it doen’t care if it’s own society or the whole world is poured in the sea of sin and evil, in the name of freedom because all that matters for the media people is this life only, as they are basically materialists and free from any accountability in the Afterlife for their evil deeds.
But despite all these, still in the most Moslem countries you cannot freely and easily indulge in prostitution or other evil acts as free as Americans and Europeans are free in their countries. am I right?

 

[randel]

cestusdei:

Oh in the Taliban’s time they were hard to come by. But you had stonings and beheadings by the hundred. Gee, what an improvement…

Hi cestusdei,

Taliban were though more tribalistic and less inclined towards Moslem faith, but yet they tried their best to root out major evils that were left overs of Russian invasion and Communists effects.
If they were given fair enough time and support from the world community or alteast West had left them alone and not interfere in their internal affairs (like how Western coutries do not like external interference in their own internal matters), then Taliban could have easily and eventually acheived in establishing an ideal Moslem society.
But alas, they were given very hard time by the West and only two countries recognised their Goverment and no one extended a real hand of frriendship thus finally involved them in a crime they did not commit and the so-called champion of freedom-America–bombed their villages’ innocent people with the most advanced bombs thus Taliban had to stop fighting but they did not surrender nor gave up their principles. Because they were men of principles and not power hungry nor materialistic.
But what America and it’s allies in fact achieved from this? Nothing good. America only gained more hatred of sincere people around the world.

 

[randel]

cestusdei:

Look at the Islamic nations. Backward, illiterate, barbaric, violent.

Hi cestusdei,

Not a true picture of the whole Moslem world. There, you may find illiterate but not immoral. Being illiterate does not neccessarily mean immoral. Majority of Moslem world is sincere and law abiding. A minority is corrupted and specially those who are in power with full support and backing of the West. Pervez, Mubarak and Saddam were all American puppets and enjoyed and some are still enjoying their power because West doesn’t care, as long as they are corrupted and do not follow the true will of their nations.

 

[randel]

cestusdei:

Compare that to the nations influenced by Christendom. We are advanced.

Hi cestusdei,

You are advanced not because of Christianity. Your advancement and progress began when you rejected Christianity and adopted anti-Christian form of governement centuries ago. But do not forget when you were looking to progress rapidly, the heritage of Moslem scientists was at your disposal to help you out and take you out from the misery you were in for centuries under the rule of Papacy. Even Prince Charles and famous Historians of the West cannot ignore the coniribution of Moslem Scientists in materialising the Renaissance of the West.

 

[randel]

cestusdei:

We are advanced. So much so that you BEG to come here.

Hi cestusdei

Moslems who want to come to your countries not because your names are like of Christians nor because you kept your Christianity upto your individual level only…but because you have abundoned a major part of Christianity on the one hand and the other you have monopoly over the dictators and tyrants of their countries which make them difficult to earn appropriate income. Most Moslem contries are victims of salvery of Globalisation.
Now, you need to think, as FAITH already gave you a good response, when Moslems go to America or Europe do they forget their Islam, while earning money?
Your countires do need people from other countries and they go there usually through proper channel. If law of your country allows them to stay, they stay or they are deported.
You are not doing any favour on them. In fact they are doing a favour to you by offering their services cheaper than local citizens.
If you don’t give them visas then do you think they will die? They will live in their own countries just like how millions of their fellow citizens are living and will survive.

 

[randel]

cestusdei:

If I went to Cairo and offered free visa’s I would be trampled in the rush. Guess it isn’t so wonderful in Islamland.

Hi cestusdei,

Again, it is not due to Christianity nor the freedom that you have. It is mostly about making more money.
Same thing may happen if a Saudi or a Emareti or a Bahraini or a Qatari goes to Cairo or even to India and offer free visas of Saudia or Emarates or Bahrain or Qatar, he would certainly trampled in the rush. And ofcourse Saudi Arabia/Emarates/Bahrain/Qatar did not have the “freedom” that you have in the West.
And finally when Moslems either go to the Middle Eastern oil countries to work or to America to earn in dollars, do they forget their Islam and adopt Christianity?
And last question, if a Moslem is given choice to pick a free visa of Vatican or America, which one do you think he will pick and why?

 

[cestusdei]

Folks,
Take a look at Randal’s posts. The guy says the TALIBAN just need more time and they would have turned out great. They were making a model Islamic society. All the faults of Islam he tries to pin on the West, as if there were never any faults to begin with.

Does ANYONE, are you listening pro?, agree with Randal that the Taliban were just misunderstood philanthropists? Please post here and let me know. Pro, can even you go along with this or have we finally found something Islamic you just might disapprove of. You know like STONING, FLOGGING, BEHEADINGS etc.

Randal has condemned himself as not just a terrorist apologist or supporter, but an actual real live terrorist. Remember the Taliban were hand in glove with Osama. So folks, here we have a terrorist who is honestly telling us how great the Taliban is. Thanks Randal for revealing what you are. And believe me, you are going to convert no one on this site, well except a few who I could name, to your brand of Islamofacism.

 

[cestusdei]

randel:

Hi cestusdei,

Taliban were though more tribalistic and less inclined towards Moslem faith, but yet they tried their best to root out major evils that were left overs of Russian invasion and Communists effects.
If they were given fair enough time and support from the world community or alteast West had left them alone and not interfere in their internal affairs (like how Western coutries do not like external interference in their own internal matters), then Taliban could have easily and eventually acheived in establishing an ideal Moslem society.
But alas, they were given very hard time by the West and only two countries recognised their Goverment and no one extended a real hand of frriendship thus finally involved them in a crime they did not commit and the so-called champion of freedom-America–bombed their villages’ innocent people with the most advanced bombs thus Taliban had to stop fighting but they did not surrender nor gave up their principles. Because they were men of principles and not power hungry nor materialistic.
But what America and it’s allies in fact achieved from this? Nothing good. America only gained more hatred of sincere people around the world.

OH I love this! The poor little taliban. Couldn’t kill people as fast as they should because us mean Westerners wouldn’t support them and help them. They were just great guys right? The kind of friends you want around or to invite over for dinner. I can see it now, “Sir, is that your wife?”, “Why yes.”, “Ah I can see her ankle, please bring her out back so we can stone her to death”. It would be funny if Randal wasn’t serious.

 

[pro_universal]

cestusdei:

So folks, here we have a terrorist who is honestly telling us how great the Taliban is. Thanks Randal for revealing what you are. And believe me, you are going to convert no one on this site, well except a few who I could name, to your brand of Islamofacism.

Well, whatever he has said…he hasn’t advocated using nuclear weapons to eradicate the Vatican.

Can you say the same in return about his holy sites, being that you are a priest?

I do believe that as long as you support killing millions of people, you have no moral right whatsoever to condemn anyone else on the issues above. You are a hypocrite, plain and simple, and until you rectify this defect, your words ring hollow.

Edited to note:

Randal clearly says he doesn’t think the Taliban was inclined to follow his religion…so this “he’s a terrorist!” hype is just that. You really need to lay off the caffeine.

 

[cestusdei]

Oh, exactly what I expected. Here is a guy who admits he supports and probably is a member of the taliban. They blew up Buddha statues, tortured women and children, flogged people, buried women to their waists and stoned them to death, beheaded people. Basically made the nazi’s look like amateurs. And what do you say? Oh that cest is so mean. When it comes to REAL people REALLY dying you don’t give a bit. You liberals are all the same. Ignore reality to play games to make you feel better about being an affluent westerner. You don’t care about millions of people. You don’t even care about ONE person. So give your false astonishment a rest. Do you think anyone is going to echo your faux horror? They haven’t yet. But thanks for proving I was right.

 

[pro_universal]

cestusdei:

Oh, exactly what I expected. Here is a guy who admits he supports and probably is a member of the taliban. They blew up Buddha statues, tortured women and children, flogged people, buried women to their waists and stoned them to death, beheaded people. Basically made the nazi’s look like amateurs. And what do you say? Oh that cest is so mean. When it comes to REAL people REALLY dying you don’t give a bit. You liberals are all the same. Ignore reality to play games to make you feel better about being an affluent westerner. You don’t care about millions of people. You don’t even care about ONE person. So give your false astonishment a rest. Do you think anyone is going to echo your faux horror? They haven’t yet. But thanks for proving I was right.

So what are you saying? You’re just full of hot air with all the anti-muslim things you say and claims that they need to be “nuked if there’s another terror attack”? You don’t really mean any harm, you just say such things for fun?

I don’t know if that’s more or less descipable than believing what you say.

And then there’s still the fact that you are hyping what Randal said. He believes the Taliban might have developed along a different path with help from the World; I think this view is incorrect, but that doesn’t make it a) support for terrorism or b) an admission that the Taliban represents his religion.

I’m sorry, but your behavior is totally unacceptable for a representative of the Church. You embarrass your order by speaking this way to other people and by demonstrating a complete and total inability to listen to what they say and respond rationally.

 

[cestusdei]

Read what Randel said. Use his own words not mine. He thinks the taliban were just misunderstood. He has no problem with what they did. That’s like being confronted with a serial killer and then claiming that cest is the problem. Uh, no bud. If a terrorist slit your throat I bet your last words would be “that cest was the meanest guy”. You make it all about me instead of all about the real terrorists who actually do kill people. Ridiculous.

 

[pro_universal]

cestusdei:

Read what Randel said. Use his own words not mine. He thinks the taliban were just misunderstood. He has no problem with what they did. That’s like being confronted with a serial killer and then claiming that cest is the problem. Uh, no bud. If a terrorist slit your throat I bet your last words would be “that cest was the meanest guy”. You make it all about me instead of all about the real terrorists who actually do kill people. Ridiculous.

More hype, and yet no defense for your own support for the use of nuclear weapons. You have no grounds for attacking randal when you explicitly advocate murder.

As for his words, see:

Taliban were though more tribalistic and less inclined towards Moslem faith, but yet they tried their best to root out major evils that were left overs of Russian invasion and Communists effects.
If they were given fair enough time and support from the world community or alteast West had left them alone and not interfere in their internal affairs (like how Western coutries do not like external interference in their own internal matters), then Taliban could have easily and eventually acheived in establishing an ideal Moslem society.

 

[cestusdei]

You are so blind. An ideal Islamic society? How sick. I guess if we gave Hitler a little more time he could have created an ideal Germanic society. How mean we were to bomb him. This is unbelievable. Liberals.

 

[pro_universal]

cestusdei:

You are so blind. An ideal Islamic society? How sick. I guess if we gave Hitler a little more time he could have created an ideal Germanic society. How mean we were to bomb him. This is unbelievable. Liberals.

That doesn’t make him a terrorist.

And still no justification for your own behavior. That is unbelievable, because you claim to be a priest.

Please tell us what aspect of Jesus’s life you’re representing on this thread.

 

[cestusdei]

Don’t talk to me about Jesus. He is just an extension of your warped political views. It is right there in front of you. It’s like ignoring Mein Kampf. Sheer blindness.

 

[pro_universal]

cestusdei:

Don’t talk to me about Jesus. He is just an extension of your warped political views. It is right there in front of you. It’s like ignoring Mein Kampf. Sheer blindness.

If you would take the time to read before you post, you would see that I’m asking you to talk to us about Jesus.

Specifically, tell me how Jesus is active on the forum via your posts as a Priest.

 

[cestusdei]

Believe it or not I can have my own opinions. You sure as heck do. I see you making Jesus a mirror image of yourself. An idol to political correctness. Consider my views to be the Jesus who braided a whip and cleasened the temple or the one coming at the last judgment and putting the goats on his left. Now I am going or I am going to have a stroke trying to comprehend the madness of imagining the taliban were just misunderstood. I need a break from this insanity.

 

[pro_universal]

cestusdei:

Believe it or not I can have my own opinions. You sure as heck do. I see you making Jesus a mirror image of yourself. An idol to political correctness. Consider my views to be the Jesus who braided a whip and cleasened the temple or the one coming at the last judgment and putting the goats on his left. Now I am going or I am going to have a stroke trying to comprehend the madness of imagining the taliban were just misunderstood. I need a break from this insanity.

Alright, are you allowed to have opinions that include advocating using nuclear weapons on muslim holy sites?

I do believe some opinions you’re not supposed to hold, among those being the opinion that murdering millions of people is permissible.

But of course, I could have the requirements of the Faith wrong, so please, explain to me why you find it permissible based on the teachings of the Church to advocate the use of nuclear weapons.