Mel Gibson a Catholic?

[Techno2000]

Sorry if this has been covered a million times before. I got into a discussion with a friend after watching The Passion of the Christ over Easter.

Is Mel Gibson actually a Catholic? From what I have read his father belongs to a group of sedevacantists, and his own membership is a mystery. Is he a heretic? I find some of the imagery, and the focus on the physicality of Christ’s sufferings in the Passion, gives the wrong impression of what Christ’s redemptive death and resurrection is all about. I found it hard to explain to my friend after the film that it is His obedience unto death, and not the number of times He is scourged, that purchased our salvation.

angelfire.com/ca3/rafaelmarie/ThePieta/ojususletter.html
Be it known that the number of armed soldiers were 150; those who trailed me while I was bound were 23. The number of executioners of justice were 83; the blows received on my head were 150; those on my stomach, 108; kicks on my shoulders, 80. I was led, bound with cords by the hair, 24 times; spits in the face were 180; I was beaten on the body 6666 times; beaten on the head, 110 times. I was roughly pushed, and at 12 o’clock was lifted up by the hair; pricked with thorns and pulled by the beard 23 times; received 20 wounds on the head; thorns of marine junks, 72; pricks of thorns in the head, 110; mortal thorns in the forhead, 3. I was afterwards flogged and dressed as a mocked king; wounds in the body, 1000. The soldiers who led me to the Calvary were 608; those who watched me were 3, and those who mocked me were 1008; the drops of blood which I lost were 28,430.

Benedetta DA S.S.; Pope Leo XIII, in Roma 5 Aprile 1890

 

[GrammasRose]

Has Mel ever said he denies the Church or the Pope, in any way?

yes

 

[KMXV]

Has Mel ever said he denies the Church or the Pope, in any way?

no

 

[childofmary1143]

no

By denying the validity of the Novus Ordo Mass he has denied the power of the Church to authorize the Novus Ordo Mass.

 

[KMXV]

By denying the validity of the Novus Ordo Mass he has denied the power of the Church to authorize the Novus Ordo Mass.

Care to provide a source for that quote? Or are you just going to engage in calumny and detraction?

 

[childofmary1143]

Care to provide a source for that quote? Or are you just going to engage in calumny and detraction?

Larry King Live Summer of 1990. Perhaps its even on Youtube. Who knows. It isn’t calumny and detraction to speak the truth.

 

[tmw]

This is simply an aesthetic, artistic and cultural rendering. Many cultures include such graphic reminders as a reminder of how much suffering Our Lord endured for us. Southern European and Latin American countries in particular have many customs associated with this. It is simply a personal preference and there is no right or “wrong impression.” :

Remember Gibson’s film was based upon the Dolorous Passion, which was written by a stigmatic, Kathryn Ann Emmerich (Beatified).

She lived in the late 1700’s but reportedly went back to the time of the passion in her visions and sufferings, which were recorded in her book. I tend to believe that her visions and Gibson’s portrayal are consistent with what actually occured.

 

[KMXV]

Larry King Live Summer of 1990. Perhaps its even on Youtube. Who knows. It isn’t calumny and detraction to speak the truth.

That’s what’s known as hearsay, sweetie. Also a sin.

And it is detraction to speak the truth. That’s what detraction means. Look it up.

Now, either provide a sourced quote, or keep it to yourself.

 

[GrammasRose]

That’s what’s known as hearsay, sweetie. Also a sin.

And it is detraction to speak the truth. That’s what detraction means. Look it up.

Now, either provide a sourced quote, or keep it to yourself.

she told you where to get it look it up yourself are are you above that?

 

[childofmary1143]

That’s what’s known as hearsay, sweetie. Also a sin.

And it is detraction to speak the truth. That’s what detraction means. Look it up.

Now, either provide a sourced quote, or keep it to yourself.

First off my name isn’t sweetie and video proof isn’t hearsay. Oh I am sorry you were sick the day they taught law at your law schoool.

It is detraction to speak the truth? So in other words Jesus said I am the way the detraction and the truth? Wow how much we learn from you.

 

[KMXV]

she told you where to get it look it up yourself are are you above that?

I’m not the one who made libelous claims against Mel Gibson. The burden is not on me.

If you can’t back up your calumnies with proof, keep your mouth shut. Or your keyboard, in this case.

 

[johnstown_johnn]

You contradict yourself in one breath saying how great Mel is because he appeared on a Catholic program and I guess that means we should support him but in the same breath you have nothing kind to say about the Archbishop. To me that is a problem because though you might have some legit complaints about the Archbishop he still has the authority and at the same time you ignore a lot of issues in regards to Mel which are quite questionable to say the least. I never stated once Mel isn’t Catholic but he is not a good example of any Catholic I wish to emulate.

Personally I think way to many glorify Mel and most simply because of a movie he made. If you wish to see him in a good light go for it but he is not in communion with Rome. He makes no secret of it though apparently many here don’t realize that for whatever reasons.

A bishop does not have the authority to teach error—only the pope is infallable. We see bishops at odds with each other today; cardinals as well.

For instance if a bishop should say, “It is permissible to take homosexuals into seminary and later be ordained as long as they are celibate.” Now this is a most controversial pronouncement; it flies in the face of the Magisterium and the Pope.

The bishop may have authority but his congregation must oppose a maverick policy. When we all receive the sacrament of Confirmation we receive the Holy Spirit and become “Christian soldiers of God and heirs of Heaven.”

The “soldier” appellation means just that…to discern error when it confronts us.

 

[KMXV]

First off my name isn’t sweetie and video proof isn’t hearsay. Oh I am sorry you were sick the day they taught law at your law schoool.

It is detraction to speak the truth? So in other words Jesus said I am the way the detraction and the truth? Wow how much we learn from you.

Oooooo…look, honey. I can provide a linky. See, it’s not really that hard.

vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P8K.HTM

2477 Respect for the reputation of persons forbids every attitude and word likely to cause them unjust injury.277 He becomes guilty:

• of rash judgment who, even tacitly, assumes as true, without sufficient foundation, the moral fault of a neighbor;
• of detraction who, without objectively valid reason, discloses another’s faults and failings to persons who did not know them

 

[johnstown_johnn]

Remember Gibson’s film was based upon the Dolorous Passion, which was written by a stigmatic, Kathryn Ann Emmerich (Beatified).

She lived in the late 1700’s but reportedly went back to the time of the passion in her visions and sufferings, which were recorded in her book. I tend to believe that her visions and Gibson’s portrayal are consistent with what actually occured.

An interesting story according to Mel himself:

While Mel contemplated doing  a film on the passion 
and death of Our Lord, Mel combed through many books 
accounting the details of Jesus' last few days. Not satisfied, 
Mel visited a library at a convent searching for a book that 
would give him the impetus he was looking for.  While leafing 
through one of the books standing at the bookshelf...a book  
was loosed from an upper shelf and fell into Mel's hands. 
You guessed it---it was The Dolrous Passion by Anne  
 Catherine Emmerich.  Coincidence? Maybe.  Something 
 more? Could be.

Mel is in communion with the saints of the Church and that is a major part of being a Catholic.

 

[childofmary1143]

Oooooo…look, honey. I can provide a linky. See, it’s not really that hard.

vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P8K.HTM

2477 Respect for the reputation of persons forbids every attitude and word likely to cause them unjust injury.277 He becomes guilty:

• of rash judgment who, even tacitly, assumes as true, without sufficient foundation, the moral fault of a neighbor;
• of detraction who, without objectively valid reason, discloses another’s faults and failings to persons who did not know them

the key phrase here is valid reason. Since Mel felt the need to publicly express his schismatic beliefs about the Novus Ordo Mass then I have a moral obligation to tell other Catholics who didn’t know that.

 

[childofmary1143]

Oooooo…look, honey. I can provide a linky. See, it’s not really that hard.

vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P8K.HTM

2477 Respect for the reputation of persons forbids every attitude and word likely to cause them unjust injury.277 He becomes guilty:

• of rash judgment who, even tacitly, assumes as true, without sufficient foundation, the moral fault of a neighbor;
• of detraction who, without objectively valid reason, discloses another’s faults and failings to persons who did not know them

the key phrase here is valid reason. Since Mel felt the need to publicly express his schismatic beliefs about the Novus Ordo Mass then I have a moral obligation to tell other Catholics who didn’t know that.

 

[GrammasRose]

I’m not the one who made libelous claims against Mel Gibson. The burden is not on me.

If you can’t back up your calumnies with proof, keep your mouth shut. Or your keyboard, in this case.

are you supposed to be a good catholic or a bad one here?

Mel is no angel it is all over the intenet if you would use your fingers a bit instead of your mouth.

Start here and btw would you like salt and pepper with that foot?
religioustolerance.org/chrgibson1.htm

 

[GrammasRose]

I’m not the one who made libelous claims against Mel Gibson. The burden is not on me.

If you can’t back up your calumnies with proof, keep your mouth shut. Or your keyboard, in this case.

are you supposed to be a good catholic or a bad one here?

Mel is no angel it is all over the intenet if you would use your fingers a bit instead of your mouth.

Start here and btw would you like salt and pepper with that foot?
religioustolerance.org/chrgibson1.htm

 

[GrammasRose]

A bishop does not have the authority to teach error—only the pope is infallable. We see bishops at odds with each other today; cardinals as well.

For instance if a bishop should say, “It is permissible to take homosexuals into seminary and later be ordained as long as they are celibate.” Now this is a most controversial pronouncement; it flies in the face of the Magisterium and the Pope.

The bishop may have authority but his congregation must oppose a maverick policy. When we all receive the sacrament of Confirmation we receive the Holy Spirit and become “Christian soldiers of God and heirs of Heaven.”

The “soldier” appellation means just that…to discern error when it confronts us.

Sorry I don’t believe in putting down the Fathers whether I agree with them or not. Though I can respect your opnion I haven’t seen anything to prove he is in error but your opinion so if you wish to admire Gibson over the Archbishop that is between you and the Lord.

 

[KMXV]

the key phrase here is valid reason. Since Mel felt the need to publicly express his schismatic beliefs about the Novus Ordo Mass then I have a moral obligation to tell other Catholics who didn’t know that.

Nope, not a valid reason. I’d say you’re guilty of detraction. And as many times as you’ve repeated it, I think it’s safe to assume it’s a mortal sin.

I’d take it to confession, if I were you.