Non- Catholic Christians: can you lose your salvation?

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ltwin said:
If you sin and keep on sinning, then that indicates willful disobedience and ultimately a lack of faith.
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So there is some form of salvation/baptism that allows you to stop sinning? 😮 I don’t think so.

My point is that the fact that we all continue to sin from birth to death is yet another proof that one cannot lose salvation, because if we could lose salvation via sin, we would all lose it. Every single action someone would posit as a means of losing salvation (be it rejecting God, committing heinous deeds, etc.) is sin.
 
JonahJones said:
My point is that the fact that we all continue to sin from birth to death is yet another proof that one cannot lose salvation, because if we could lose salvation via sin, we would all lose it.
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I don’t understand this logic. In that case, why try to live a godly/holy life if our salvation has no bearing on trying to avoid sin?

While it’s true we all sin, we are still supposed to “be holy as He is holy”. I sometimes see people with the OSAS philosophy live libertine lives because they believe that they cannot lose their salvation no matter what.

Under OSAS, where is the incentive to live a holy life? To please God, I suppose?
 
Tommy999 said:
I don’t understand this logic. In that case, why try to live a godly/holy life if our salvation has no bearing on trying to avoid sin?
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The best you can do is try. You will not achieve this goal. If a holy life is necessary for salvation, none of us will make it. It’s written in the Psalms (and quoted in Romans) that “there are none righteous, no not one”.
Tommy999 said:
Under OSAS, where is the incentive to live a holy life? To please God, I suppose?
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That’s one reason. Because it’s wise is another (e.g., you’ll be happier as a non-alcoholic than as an alcoholic). To avoid God’s chastisement in this life. And to receive rewards in the next life (Revelation 20:11-15 specifically talks about this).
 
Benny12 said:
My Bible doesn’t say they received the HS. Mine says they were partakers of the HS. Partakers doesn’t mean possession, it means association. It doesn’t mean they possessed
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So when it says in 2 Peter that we become partakers of His divinity that just means association?
 
You asked the incentive to live a holy life. The answer is because we have love for God. It is not very complicated.
 
And if you’re approaching this from a monergistic perspective, you’d have this programmed in you correct?
 
Monergism isn’t predestination. Monergism is a theological view on the relationship of God and man in salvation. Monergism doesn’t deny free will, it merely says that salvation is a work of God alone (with no merits of man).
 
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Julius_Caesar said:
And if you’re approaching this from a monergistic perspective, you’d have this programmed in you correct?
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Monergistic or not, the idea that we are given a supernatural love for God that compels us to want to live a holy life is a long standing teaching of Christianity. The only way we can Love God is if we have experienced His love. It is not something we can just decide to do.
 
BohemianBrother said:
Monergism is a theological view on the relationship of God and man in salvation. Monergism doesn’t deny free will, it merely says that salvation is a work of God alone (with no merits of man).
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And monergism teaches that a person who is saved has his nature acted on by God so that he can act accordingly. There is no endgame then, since that’s the result.
 
lanman87 said:
the idea that we are given a supernatural love for God that compels us to want to live a holy life is a long standing teaching of Christianity. The only way we can Love God is if we have experienced His love. It is not something we can just decide to do.
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And as a synergist I’d say gifts have to be accepted. Hence the term given. Mornergism implies a program is written.
 
Julius_Caesar said:
And as a synergist I’d say gifts have to be accepted. Hence the term given. Mornergism implies a program is written.
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Either way, the result is the same. We seek to live a holy life because of love. And this is the answer to why someone who believes OSAS wants to live a holy life. Because they love God.
 
Not neccessarily. Lutheran monergism for example allows man to reject the gift of salvation. Only Calvinism has such a high emphasis on the sovereignity of God that it views grace as irresistible. Predestination then logically comes from this.
 
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Julius_Caesar said:
But ends do not justify means.
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So if you ask someone why they don’t drink and cuss and sleep around… and they say, “Because God loves me and gave Jesus so that I could have eternal life, and I know drinking and cussing and sleeping around is abhorrent to the God who gave everything for me. Because God loves me that much and I love God for all He has done for me, it makes me sick to think of doing those things”

that attitude is somehow bad???
 
lanman87 said:
And this is the answer to why someone who believes OSAS wants to live a holy life. Because they love God.
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Or the real reason is that according to them, they’ve had that desire inserted in them like a microchip.
 
I believe in a God who is Love and Love doesn’t.compel. This belief makes God into something He is not. In an OSAS belief system, this reasoning comes from irresistible grace. So while the ends may be good, the means are not.
 
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