Pope Francis Must Resign: Archbishop Vigano

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Canvas said:
If Vigano knew Mccarrick was under Papal censure, wouldn’t it be his duty to inform Cardinal Dolan and prevent McCarrick from being publicly honored?
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Not if a medal at a private event wasn’t forbidden. You keep treating this as if it was a public appearance when it wasn’t.
 
Canvas said:
If Vigano knew Mccarrick was under Papal censure, wouldn’t it be his duty to inform Cardinal Dolan and prevent McCarrick from being publicly honored?
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Maybe not. It might not have been something that occurred to him, if he was keeping Cardinal McCarrick under some sort of double secret probation. On the other hand, if informing other US bishops of what his censure was, if there was one, how can anyone attest or know what Pope Francis knew? They can’t. That is why the Church actually keeps records of this sort of thing. Lack of evidence is not evidence of something lacking, but if such a record should be expected, and it should, then lack of evidence is strong evidence that this censure, whatever it was, isn’t what AB Vigano is saying it was.
 
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Canvas said:
If Vigano knew Mccarrick was under Papal censure, wouldn’t it be his duty to inform Cardinal Dolan and prevent McCarrick from being publicly honored?
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The diocese of Newark made payouts for McCarrick’s abuse. Yet no one seems to have bothered to tell anyone in Washington according to Washington. I don’t know what Vigano’s duty was but I know plenty of other people failed. And it is a pattern of failure and supposedly not knowing. For all the sins we have found out priests and bishops commit apparently gossip is the only sin they don’t ever engage in. Except this isn’t gossip. This is knowledge that must be passed on to protect people.
 
As I posted in response to you in a now closed thread, there is a reasonable explanation for the photo of Vigano with McCarrick, as well as Vigano not preventing Dolan from publicly honoring McCarrick. http://www.ncregister.com/daily-new...francis-of-failing-to-act-on-mccarricks-abuse

This article helps set the scene. The inconsistencies in the testimony are more likely due to our not knowing the full story as Vigano does - there are gaps and we are speculating to fill them it. You also need to keep in mind Vigano claims he had no power to enforce -those in higher positions were ignoring memos and tolerating McCarrick’s disobedience.

Arch Vigano and his 2 predecessors, Montalvo and Sambi, had attempted on numerous occasions to have McCarrick’s acts addressed……since at least 2000! Those in high places were powerful enough to keep things secret and protect him. It was only when Sipe wrote PERSONALLY to Pope Benedict that any action was taken….the sanctions that are now being contested. Vigano cites memos that went unanswered. Also, that McCarrick disobeyed and perhaps even flaunted should come as no surprise (especially if you’ve read any of the testimonies of those who were preyed upon).

When Vigano informed Pope Francis of the thick dossier and no action was taken, what recourse did he have? When McCarrick’s acts started to become public knowledge and various cardinals claimed “shock” and “ignorance” Vigano decided to take unprecedented step to break the silence as an attempt to correct the root cause of the problem.

As he related to Aldo Maria Valli, the web of complicity, silence, cover-up, and reciprocal favors extends so far that there are no words to describe it, and it involves everyone at the highest levels, both in America and in Rome.”
When questioned “Why?” (he felt need to release testimony knowing the damage it would inflict upon Catholics)
The response of the archbishop freezes my blood: “Because the cracks of which Paul VI spoke, from which he said the smoke of Satan would infiltrate the house of God, have become chasms. The devil is working overtime. And to not admit that, or to turn our face away from it, would be our greatest sin.”* https://www.aldomariavalli.it/2018/...iale-ed-ecco-perche-ho-deciso-di-pubblicarlo/

The TRUTH is what is important to uncover in order to correct the disordered situation in defense of Holy Mother Church.
 
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Just because the memos Vigano says he wrote aren’t immediately available for us to view doesn’t mean the Archbishop kept McCarrick under some sort of double secret probation. Besides, he’s just the nuncio- he doesn’t impose sanctions - he communicates sanctions from those higher up. Those who worked with Vigano are saying “he speaks the truth.” Is it plausible that the paper trail is conveniently buried? Or that it disappeared? (I’m speculating of course). If I read the testimony correctly, the sanctions were imposed while Sambi was Nuncio…he died under unexpected circumstances in 2011.

What HAS become clear with the McCarrick and Pennsylvania situations, is that there has been culture of disordered and even predatory behavior tolerated along with secrecy to cover the scandal. That many current and/or former priests and seminarians are anonymously reporting doesn’t invalidate their testimony. I’m sure we can come up with numerous reasons why one wouldn’t feel comfortable exposing the truth.
 
Interesting, thanks for posting.

Sure hope that, unlike other requests for the Holy Father to speak…to clarify and confirm his brethren in the truth…we aren’t left speculating and allowing our trust to slip away.

May St John the Baptist, whose feast of his beheading we celebrate today, inspire us to repent of our sins, offer to God the contrite heart He does not despise, and to proclaim the truth…even if it means persecution!
 
No offense intended, but are inflammatory reports from Lifesite based on unnamed “Vatican sources” really what we need right now?
 
It’s inflammatory according to who? You? There are many others posting here. I have confidence that they can make up their own minds. Many who regularly post here don’t believe LifeSiteNews to be the boogeyman that some make it out to be.
 
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I clicked on the Valli’s narration .
Now… if Monsignor already had an air ticket to an undisclosed place because he feared for his life,either in Rome ( or Italy) finding a corpse in a ditch is more frequent than one thinks or it takes things to a different level.
If this account is true.
 
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Mark121359 said:
It’s inflammatory according to who? You? There are many others posting here. I have confidence that they can make up their own minds. Many who regularly post here don’t believe LifeSiteNews to be the boogeyman that some make it out to be.
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Fair enough. The article you posted might be better in its own thread, however.
 
I consider it inflammatory. Poor journalism. I understand at times a journalist has to use an unnamed sourec, but when they do, it should be corroborated by other sources. And we don’t need speculation as to why Mueller was replaced at this time. Even the “trustworthy” source ( when you have to convince your readers how great your source is, perhaps you took a short cut) is speculating.
 
Here is some actual good journalism from Crux:
https://cruxnow.com/news-analysis/2...rges-against-pope-more-surreal-by-the-minute/
“Let’s be clear: This is an accusation that a pope was personally involved in a sex abuse cover-up, from a former Vatican official who was in a position to know. If anyone thinks media outlets around the world aren’t going to pursue that story with maximum aggressiveness - knowing that bringing down a pope would be infinitely bigger than what the Boston Globe did in 2003 by bringing down Cardinal Bernard Law, winning a Pulitzer Prize and inspiring a Hollywood movie in the process - they’re delusional.”

This quote shows why the Vatican needs to respond more than “I will not say a single word”.
 
Apparently an unnamed source has leaked this photo:
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Pope Francis told reporters to “do their job,” and it appears that they are doing just that, showing Cardinal McCarrick in what appears to be several violations of the alleged sanctions, in one instance in the presence of Pope Benedict himself. The words of praise from Archbishop Vigano for McCarrick at the end of the video could be taken as courtesy and politeness between bishops, but in light of his recent accusations he appears two-faced to me.
 
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