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In the letter he stated that he is an old man and is afraid of meeting his Maker with this on his conscience.Gertabelle said:
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Gertabelle
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Cardinal Oullette is mentioned several times.
Archbishop (not Cardinal, btw) Chaput is mentioned as the right-wing Archbishop of Philadelphia.
Did you read the 11 page Testimony? The link is posted above.
Archbishop (not Cardinal, btw) Chaput is mentioned as the right-wing Archbishop of Philadelphia.
Did you read the 11 page Testimony? The link is posted above.
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therese1998
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The only reason to leave the church is because you don’t believe it is the Church established by Christ and you believe that the gates of hell have prevailed over it. Do you?
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FirstFiveEighth
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No I read the article. PDF wouldn’t open on my phone. Yep your right about Archbishop, lazy typing on my part.
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Cathoholic
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I think it is important to wait and see what the Holy Father says.
As recently as several hours ago,
Pope Francis has been condemning cover-ups within the Church as “caca”
the “Reporter” is saying.
Please let’s see what the Holy Father has to say THEN draw your conclusions with that included.
God bless.
Cathoholic
www.ncronline.org
As recently as several hours ago,
Pope Francis has been condemning cover-ups within the Church as “caca”
the “Reporter” is saying.
Please let’s see what the Holy Father has to say THEN draw your conclusions with that included.
God bless.
Cathoholic
(Emphasis mine)
Francis meets eight Irish survivors, reportedly calls abuse cover-up 'caca'
Pope Francis met eight survivors of clergy and institutional abuse on the first of his two-day visit to Ireland, in a 90-minute encounter several in the meeting called "cordial and polite."
www.ncronline.org
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Gertabelle
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Fair enough.
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13pollitos
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This is what I posted. Make of it what you will.
“I am seriously considering Orthodox. Maybe the path I have been praying for God to show me is that they have been the true church all along. This is not happening immediately. I am still praying and fasting. It breaks my heart. I will not leave the Eucharist. However, the Orthodox also have the Eucharist. I just cannot see how it is good for my soul to be in Communion with these bishops at the moment. I am clinging to Jesus and bearing my soul to Him. I trust He will make the correct path bright for me to follow. I absolutely love all the good people here who have been so about supporting one another during this horrible time. All of your hope as a collective group has helped me take things slow and remain steady for now. I trust that there are enough truly good people here to save our Church if we stick together. I am praying that is what God wants of us and that He will provide the way.”
I feel lost at the moment. I don’t know how to make sense of things and therefore waiting to make a clear choice once I can think clearly. At the moment all I can do is continue to pray and fast. God will lead me where He wants me to be in His time. I keep praying a priest in my real life will man up and address any of this, even superficially, or even just acknowledge the crisis we are living through. That might help me to trust that there is something worth holding on to.
“I am seriously considering Orthodox. Maybe the path I have been praying for God to show me is that they have been the true church all along. This is not happening immediately. I am still praying and fasting. It breaks my heart. I will not leave the Eucharist. However, the Orthodox also have the Eucharist. I just cannot see how it is good for my soul to be in Communion with these bishops at the moment. I am clinging to Jesus and bearing my soul to Him. I trust He will make the correct path bright for me to follow. I absolutely love all the good people here who have been so about supporting one another during this horrible time. All of your hope as a collective group has helped me take things slow and remain steady for now. I trust that there are enough truly good people here to save our Church if we stick together. I am praying that is what God wants of us and that He will provide the way.”
I feel lost at the moment. I don’t know how to make sense of things and therefore waiting to make a clear choice once I can think clearly. At the moment all I can do is continue to pray and fast. God will lead me where He wants me to be in His time. I keep praying a priest in my real life will man up and address any of this, even superficially, or even just acknowledge the crisis we are living through. That might help me to trust that there is something worth holding on to.
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abucs
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Yes i don’t know of a lot of the history mentioned in the previous post but the inclusion of this makes me doubt the sincerity of the poster. A lot of rubbish has been said about the church and the third Reich and I seriously doubt anyone who tries to perpetuate that rubbish.
For example, the signing of the Concordat was held up due to Hitler’s National Socialists objecting to the words of the pope wanting the Jews to be respected by the Third Reich. Later in the week this Concordat was signed with this phrase moved to an addendum. Still included in the agreement but not in the body proper.
Successive popes had wanted an agreement with Germany. Now that one leader agreed to do this the pope could hardly say no. Each of the major countries had a written agreement with Hitler’s socialists.
For example, the signing of the Concordat was held up due to Hitler’s National Socialists objecting to the words of the pope wanting the Jews to be respected by the Third Reich. Later in the week this Concordat was signed with this phrase moved to an addendum. Still included in the agreement but not in the body proper.
Successive popes had wanted an agreement with Germany. Now that one leader agreed to do this the pope could hardly say no. Each of the major countries had a written agreement with Hitler’s socialists.
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13pollitos
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Thank you for the links. I will listen to them tomorrow after Mass.
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glorybe
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Scott Hahn posted a link on his Facebook page, from where I read it. Heartbreaking
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twf
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The author of “The Dictator Pope” was removed from his order (Knights of Malta) for his harsh criticism of the Holy Father. This story may not go well for those involved.
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Gertabelle
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There’s already a thread about this here:
Ex-Nuncio Cardinal Viganò Accuses Pope Francis of Not Acting on McCarrick Abuse Catholic News
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abucs
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I have just read the article and they are serious allegations.
All I can say at the moment is that they are allegations and the Holy Father has the right of reply.
That being said it does continue the momentum of appearance that at this stage in the church’s history there are too few rigid Catholics at the helm and too many with the fallacious mindset of ‘who am I to judge’ which has facilitated such evil.
All I can say at the moment is that they are allegations and the Holy Father has the right of reply.
That being said it does continue the momentum of appearance that at this stage in the church’s history there are too few rigid Catholics at the helm and too many with the fallacious mindset of ‘who am I to judge’ which has facilitated such evil.
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gracepoole
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It feels like our church is coming apart at the seams.
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(Please Note: This uploaded content is no longer available.)BoomerangToo said:
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Cathoholic
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gracepoole . . .
Yet the Church will come out of this stronger.
How? I have no idea but it will.
Hang in there and keep praying (so will I)!
This is painful to see gracepoole.
Yet the Church will come out of this stronger.
How? I have no idea but it will.
Hang in there and keep praying (so will I)!
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Cruciferi
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1 Peter 1:7
“The purpose of these trials is to test your faith as fire tests how genuine gold is.”
“The purpose of these trials is to test your faith as fire tests how genuine gold is.”
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Kevin12
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The fact that rad trad sites like LifeSiteNews that already hate the Pope makes me pretty skeptical; not to mention that all the people pouncing on him are fans of Burke.
As for the people saying they’re considering leaving on account of this even being possible, are you serious? You know the Church killed and tortured a lot of people in the Inquisition, right? Ever hear of the Sack of Constantinople? What about the fact the Church condemned the African slave trade just vaguely enough that all of Catholic Europe kept doing it for three centuries, while the Vatican barely made any protest?
As for the people saying they’re considering leaving on account of this even being possible, are you serious? You know the Church killed and tortured a lot of people in the Inquisition, right? Ever hear of the Sack of Constantinople? What about the fact the Church condemned the African slave trade just vaguely enough that all of Catholic Europe kept doing it for three centuries, while the Vatican barely made any protest?
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From Mark Shea on Facebook a couple of hours ago:
“The more I look at this, the sketchier it gets. A reader remarks:
‘The source - The National Catholic Register, reported by Pentin, regarding an alleged statement by Archbishop Viganò - claims:
“‘The cardinal was to leave the seminary where he was living,’ Viganò said, ‘he was also forbidden to celebrate [Mass] in public, to participate in public meetings, to give lectures, to travel, with the obligation of dedicating himself to a life of prayer and penance.’ Viganò did not document the exact date but recollected the sanction to have been applied as far back 2009 or 2010.”
How could this claim be true?
It’s rather easy to document McCarrick’s public ministry in those years. It includes a public benefactors mass (19 April 2009), being the primary celebrant for an ordination (16 Oct 2010), being a guest celebrant and homilist at a school (3 April 2011), ordaining Friars (14 June 2011), leading the American Christian Leadership Delegation to Iraqi Kurdistan (Nov 2012), and giving public interviews from Rome about Benedict’s resignation (14 Feb 2013). This was occurring while Benedict XVI was Pope (2005-2013) and Viganò was Nuncio (2011-2016). Are we to believe that Viganò had privately restricted McCarrick’s public ministry, while simultaneously turning a blind eye to McCarrick’s public ministry - including being involved in ordinations?!
I’d need A LOT of questions answered before I’d believe any of this.’
Yeah. Me too. Also, I don’t trust Pentin or Lifesite News. I would like some real journalists and some kind of corroboration of this before I buy it.”
“The more I look at this, the sketchier it gets. A reader remarks:
‘The source - The National Catholic Register, reported by Pentin, regarding an alleged statement by Archbishop Viganò - claims:
“‘The cardinal was to leave the seminary where he was living,’ Viganò said, ‘he was also forbidden to celebrate [Mass] in public, to participate in public meetings, to give lectures, to travel, with the obligation of dedicating himself to a life of prayer and penance.’ Viganò did not document the exact date but recollected the sanction to have been applied as far back 2009 or 2010.”
How could this claim be true?
It’s rather easy to document McCarrick’s public ministry in those years. It includes a public benefactors mass (19 April 2009), being the primary celebrant for an ordination (16 Oct 2010), being a guest celebrant and homilist at a school (3 April 2011), ordaining Friars (14 June 2011), leading the American Christian Leadership Delegation to Iraqi Kurdistan (Nov 2012), and giving public interviews from Rome about Benedict’s resignation (14 Feb 2013). This was occurring while Benedict XVI was Pope (2005-2013) and Viganò was Nuncio (2011-2016). Are we to believe that Viganò had privately restricted McCarrick’s public ministry, while simultaneously turning a blind eye to McCarrick’s public ministry - including being involved in ordinations?!
I’d need A LOT of questions answered before I’d believe any of this.’
Yeah. Me too. Also, I don’t trust Pentin or Lifesite News. I would like some real journalists and some kind of corroboration of this before I buy it.”
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gracepoole
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There’s a whole lotta testing going on these days…
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