Properly investigate and charge the ones responsible for the death.
Peaceful protestors, yes. They are seeking justice and want to be heard.
All others, no. They are not seeking justice.
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All others, no. They are not seeking justice.
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PetraG
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Yes, and you got it because you are a male, too, and it started sooner…you’re one of the kids in the class most likely to get in a fight on the playground, most likely to grow up and commit assault against your partner when you grow up, and so on. If a teacher was unfair to you because you were a boy, is it any excuse that the teacher has had most of her problems from the boys in her class?
What would you think if you tried to talk to a teacher about how she was treating you unfairly, and she wanted to talk about how much trouble she has had from the boys in her class over the years, how they are the biggest threat to themselves and everyone else? How does that response strike you?
Did those stereotypes about male students–about “what boys are like”–ever affect you? Do you get it, since that is the stereotype you’ve faced your entire life? Do you get that unfair treatment you have gotten is the reason you ought to be more sensitive what a steady diet of unfair treatment does to people, and not less?
The protests have to do with the conduct of people in authority. We don’t judge teachers and their attitudes with the attitudes of children as a yardstick. We don’t judge the professional standards of doctors on what patients do. The conduct of priests is expected to be different than the standard set by the average person in the pew. Professionals and people in a position of trust and authority are always held to a higher standard. They have to be.
Things may be different where you are, but where I am to be non-white is to be seen and treated differently than if you are white, and it starts in childhood. It includes people in authority. It includes being more likely to get detention at school, more likely to be pulled over, more likely to be judged as “not belonging” where you are and more likely to be thought to be “up to something” rather than having made a mistake.
This is the kind of thing that happens where I live. I don’t think it surprised anybody:
The police did just fine, by the way…
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Welshrabbit
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Again, what do you do with citizens who refuse to disarm?
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phil19034
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Besides body cams, the best thing that can be done is tougher punishments for cops who break the law.
People in government, whether police, mayors, etc. should have STIFFER punishments when they break the law than your average citizen.
Just like clergy, we hold public servants to a higher standard. Cops who break the law should face very strict punishments if found guilty of a premeditated crime.
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TK421
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I’m not sure what the penalties are but for example for unlawful carry I think this is usually “criminal possession of a weapon in the second degree” which is a felony.
You could also provide free or reduced counseling services to people, for example if a person has owned a gun for a long time and feels afraid without one, they could be treated.
You could also provide free or reduced counseling services to people, for example if a person has owned a gun for a long time and feels afraid without one, they could be treated.
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Welshrabbit
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I’m not talking about the person walking down the street with a concealed or unconcealed weapon.
I’m talking about the people with multiple firearms in their homes. What do you do about people who have weapons in their homes? How do you disarm them?
I’m talking about the people with multiple firearms in their homes. What do you do about people who have weapons in their homes? How do you disarm them?
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TK421
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This is why older men or females often make good cops, but there are limits to how effective psychological tests can be. In the recent murder of George Floyd, it had nothing to do with an officer loosing their cool head and it’s not necessarily anything that a test would be able to pick up.
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TK421
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That’s kind of a needlessly technical question. I’m not sure what the exact offense would be but it involves some sort of unlawful possession.
It’s not some kind of unprecedented thing. NYC has to some extent de-armed the public.They deal with the occasional weird person on a case-by-case basis. That’s their job.
It’s not some kind of unprecedented thing. NYC has to some extent de-armed the public.They deal with the occasional weird person on a case-by-case basis. That’s their job.
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phil19034
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Eliminating private gun ownership isn’t going to happen in the US and honestly it isn’t the problem.
Private gun ownership in the US actually keeps the rate of crime lower than it would be if all guns were taken away.
The truth is, THE VAST MAJORITY of guns used in premeditated crimes are illegal guns, purchased on the black market. Gang members don’t want their guns traced, so they often use illegal guns.
Eliminating private ownership ONLY penalizes the law abiding citizens who are only trying to protect themselves.
The focus should be on attacking the blackmarket.
And as far as the UK vs US is concerned, you really can’t compare the two. While the cities in the UK are starting to become very heterogeneous, the society was very homogeneous for a long time.
The United States has ALWAYS been a melting pot of different cultures & peoples. While we mostly consider this to be a good thing, it is also a powder keg waiting to blow. Throughout American history, we have ALWAYS had gangs fighting each other partly due to different cultures. Whether it was the Irish, Italians, German, etc gangs of the 19th and early 20th centuries or today’s African American, Russian and Spanish gangs.
The truth is, when people from different cultures are all living in close proximity (i.e. in the cities) tensions can get hot.
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Welshrabbit
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You’re kidding, right? The methods for disarming an armed populace are needlessly technical?
Do you know how many people in the U.S. own firearms? Who is going to forcibly go into all those residences and take their guns away?
Do you know how many people in the U.S. own firearms? Who is going to forcibly go into all those residences and take their guns away?
blackforest
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I can tell you first hand about the giant military “utility trucks” parked conspicuously at the PD in my mid-sized city. And remember that military-grade ammo goes into military grade weapons.
Again, I won’t argue with you about riot suppression. I don’t think you or your fellow officers should have to play that role at all. I’ve lived in a country where the police are effectively paramilitary forces and don’t like how much it wounds relations with the public.
“Gun culture” is really uniquely steeped within the American psyche. It’s not an easy thing to get rid of, unfortunately. While I support the right to keep and bear arms, there’s an unhealthy obsession with weapons in this country that just creeps me out. I’m not sure where to draw the fine line, but you’ll sooner get rid of apple pie in this country than “gun culture.”
This is one of the biggest factors. Public trust has already been wounded by those who’ve gotten off lightly.
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Welshrabbit
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I mean, I agree with you phil. Americans “giving up their guns” is never going to happen and the government is never going to take them away by force.
I’m just always curious as to how people think this would actually happen…
I’m just always curious as to how people think this would actually happen…
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TK421
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@Welshrabbit
One step at a time.
It’s not a hypothetical thing. Place like NYC have already been reasonably successful at doing this. It’s deeply embedded in the American psyche but it’s not insurmountable.
One step at a time.
It’s not a hypothetical thing. Place like NYC have already been reasonably successful at doing this. It’s deeply embedded in the American psyche but it’s not insurmountable.
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phil19034
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It will happen because cowards always kneel to the mob.
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Welshrabbit
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Okay, what are the steps?
Also, NYC is a very liberal place. I assume that most people living there are willing to deal with restrictions on gun ownership to live there.
What do you do with people who aren’t willing to deal with these restrictions?
Also, NYC is a very liberal place. I assume that most people living there are willing to deal with restrictions on gun ownership to live there.
What do you do with people who aren’t willing to deal with these restrictions?
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TK421
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I’m going to go now. Peace.
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Welshrabbit
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You may want to think your argument through a little more next time before posting…
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Fuerza
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And as I said, there are police departments that have tanks. I don’t recall denying that and explained how they are used. Also, believe it or not, I do know a thing or two about ammunition.
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blackforest
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It’s all good. I really don’t want to argue. Like the OP, I just want everyone to address a widespread, systemic problem with positive, productive ideas. I don’t think it’s helpful, however, to deny the presence of police militarization, something that everyone from academics to the feds recognize as a real thing. Do you think it would help to outsource riot suppression to other armed forces?
You stated that my other ideas are already encoded in PD policies. Hopefully we see them put into practice more.
You stated that my other ideas are already encoded in PD policies. Hopefully we see them put into practice more.
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