Reconciliation for Police Force Mistakes?

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Given the phenomenal amount of commentary from both the liberals and the the conservatives, I am not sure where in the United States a jury could be impaneled of people who have not already made up their minds. And I say this having spent 6 years defending criminals, including two murder cases.
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That the four officers could have been detained without charges is within the law of the state. Not that doing so would have provided any reduction if the level of emotions at play;
but it had the appearance of an inability to react to what appears to be extremely out of line for the circumstances, and resulted in death.
Yes, I know. I’m just noting it because many protesters are saying that they will continue to protest unitl all 4 are charged. My point is that many people are blaming Republicans for this situation, but the fact is that all the people in charge of issues charges are Democrats.
 
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And for that matter, could not one private citizen have gotten involved? I get that people are afraid, but what about laying down your life for a friend?
I’m pretty certain a bystander did intervene. On the Today Show this morning (NBC), there was a story about a bystander who was pleading with the cops to let him up. You don’t see the man, but you hear his voice. Tragically, the cops didn’t listen to him.
I don’t know if the original video has been taken down from Youtube or not, but there was more than one person (including a woman who is a firefighter) intervening and asking for the officer to check the man’s pulse. He ignored her and kept pressing his knee down. I’m not a lawyer but I think the case is going to be (relatively speaking) easy; it’s just a matter of how severe the sentence will be but 1st degree murder isn’t out of the question.
 
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I’m not a lawyer but I think the case is going to be (relatively speaking) easy; it’s just a matter of how severe the sentence will be but 1st degree murder isn’t out of the question.
Do you think that the number of complaints lodged against him over this years in the force (something like 17 or 19 complaints of excessive use of force) will be brought up at the trial, and count heavily against him? I think it should.
 
These are all great suggestions, so great in fact they are already encoded in the policies of virtually every police department in the country. As I said before, the only problem with cameras is their exorbitant cost. If the taxpayers are willing to fund them, I’m willing to wear one. Also, again, the militarization of police is not actually a thing. Police do not have military grade weaponry. There are some that have small tanks, but they lack mounted weapons and, aside from parades and community service events, are only brought out when necessary. They serve as a means to safely transport police through areas where people are throwing Molotov cocktails, bricks, and bottles at us, or shooting at us (you know, the situations from where the ones who criticize “militarization” are running away). They actually save taxpayers a ton of money, since they can take much more abuse. It’s a lot cheaper than buying an entire new fleet of police cars that were destroyed by the aforementioned actions. If you’re comment about militarization is related to riot suppression, we’ll that’s actually one of our jobs too (though if you would like to take it from me I’d be thrilled).
 
I agree with you, what i mean is, the Black Lives Matter moviment should know that cops are humans too, and the looters should know that as they are committing violent crimes they should be dealt with all the necessary means, i am not American but if a looter got inside my house i would not hesitate to shoot him down, if i was a cop i would stop any crime no matter the person’s color/sex/age, you break someone’s car i gotta go to jail.
 
Also, again, the militarization of police is not actually a thing.
It’s a thing. The 1033 program gives police departments access to materials from the Pentagon.
If you’re comment about militarization is related to riot suppression, we’ll that’s actually one of our jobs too (though if you would like to take it from me I’d be thrilled).
Honestly, I’d rather see this job go to the National Guard or paramilitary forces.
 
Maybe his soul can saved in prisons through the work of Catholic chaplains?
 
The 1033 program is mostly used for ammo, medical supplies, electronics and office supplies. Semi-automatic rifles have been standard-issue for police departments for quite some time (they are essential for active shooter situations, and pretty much anytime you know that you will be facing armed offenders) as they have essentially replaced shotguns, so they don’t really qualify as military weapons. They’re not used on routine calls anyway. While I already mentioned that some police departments have tanks, we’re not using them to roll up to calls. They’re only used as I described above. If you don’t like that, spread the word to stop throwing explosives at us. Then we won’t need them. Win-Win.

Again, I would love for riot suppression to be given to someone else. Until you change the laws, as well as the constitutions of several states that place that responsibility squarely in the lap of sheriffs and municipal police, we’re kind of stuck.
 
I based my post on 31 years on the front lines. Badge and gun. Being stereotyped and judged because I was white.

Is that OK? Is that “fair”? It’s bad to stereotype and pre-judge, but being stereotyped and judged is OK if you happen to be white? AYKM?

No! It’s racism and one day I finally had had it and got into one man’s face. I told him that he was racist and that I hated racism. I told him to get away from me, as I hated racists.

He walked across the street and thought for about 10 minutes then came back and apologized. We reached an understanding and I told him that our hearts look exactly the same. If we break it down further than that, something is wrong with our thinking. We parted on good terms.

You do not have to believe this, but I know racism when I see it, and when I feel it.
 
May I ask you a general question ?
I ‘ve only been stopped twice. One for speeding in a highway in Louisiana and one due to one of my lights in TX.In both cases the officer had to check sth in his car with my DL (to my recalling they were alone,if there was sb else in the car I didn’t even look). Both incidents took very little time and went very smoothly.
What would in general take say those 10 minutes and four officers busy with? I am not personally interested in finding anything out in particular only that it called my attention that it took 8 minutes kneeling position which is per se uncomfortable when there were three other officers to speed things up.
My question is a general one anyway.
What would your normally need to check in a similar case with as many officers as a routine?
If you want or can answer. Thanks
 
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I think there is a lot of work all around. I think it’s reasonable to say there are some pretty bad police officers out there. But there are a lot of great police officers as well.
I worked with a woman who was a former police officer who stated “I leaned in the academy that if they are black or Mexican they are guilty, and if they are white they are innocent.” She wasn’t one given to hyperbole. I had to pick my jaw up off the floor. She was also married to an Hispanic man.

But let’s be honest, police are given huge responsibilities, expected to perform them with perfection day after day. And if there is one wrong move it’s on camera and your life is over. How can we honestly not expect them to silo up? And let’s not forget as a culture we have a pretty terrible track record respecting authority in the past thirty years.

I think much of the fault lies within ourselves tbh. As a culture as we get farther away from God we get farther away from goodness, forgiveness, accountability, changing of hearts. We expect everything instantly and perfectly, with no commitment on our part. We have removed guilt from the human psyche, it makes us feel bad. But have we removed sin? Sin still affects people. And it’s often the victim who is shamed and blamed. If the victim doesn’t forgive 3 seconds after the offense we call them judgmental, while the guilty party is misunderstood. We need to get our spiritual junk together. We need a more loving society all around.
 
Police need to admit their mistakes and be transparent about them. The message needs to be out that police are not above the law.

The message needs to be told that the police are not out to get black people. The statistics and the facts don’t show a national problem of police out to kill black people.
 
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Police need to admit their mistakes and be transparent about them. The message needs to be out that police are not above the law.
There has to be tangible changes to create results because people have concupiscence and their naturally tendency is always going to be to hide their defects. i.e. if a person has a facebook or gambling or porn addiction they need to do something tangible, such as install a blocker and create an accountability partner.

That is why things like:
  • Body cameras
  • De-arming the public
  • De-arming the police force
… will create tangible results. Saying ‘we should be more transparent’ sounds nice but it doesn’t actually change human nature or give results.
 
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Who goes first?
In the UK, the public came first. The average police officer doesn’t usually carry a gun and this is a form of preventative medicine.

NYC has gradually begun to make its police force less armed, but social reforms had to come first among the public or that would have been very difficult.
 
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Police in the UK used to carry firearms?

I realize there are armed units now, but every police officer on the beat had a gun back in the day?
 
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There are procedures for when it is or isn’t acceptable to have a firearm. It isn’t something a police officer will/should have by default, because this makes both the public and the police less safe.
 
So in the United States, how do you go about eliminating private gun ownership?

What do you do with citizens who refuse to disarm?
 
Gradually. A sudden change would probably incite a lot of unrest but if you take them away gradually you can do it.
 
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