Some Christians Still Denounce Harry Potter as Dangerous

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Okay-well, show me the proof that Amorth or Euteneuer or Fortea never read the books.

You keep pushing the point-so show the evidence.

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Who cares. They see the impact…just like a doctor can see the impact of an addiction despite never having been addicted themselves.

An exorcists deals with the result.

estesbob is just trying to marginalize their statements by claiming they have no view because they might not have read the books…utter nonsense…they do not go looking for this stuff and they singled out just a couple instances…
 
I think he is incredibly clear:

“Harry Potter and these Twilight vampires glamorize the power of evil,” Father Eutenener explained, “and this has lead to many, many cases of possession among young people.” It may begin with a child or teenager simply “playing around” with the occult, but that seemingly harmless act is “opening a window” to possession.

Note, he is not speaking as if those are his opinions, but rather facts gained from observation. He says things like, “…and this HAS lead…,” not “might lead.”
Of course he’s saying that playing with the occult leads to possession… but that wasn’t my question.

Can you reread my post?

I believe some children have been inspired to dabble in witchcraft upon reading HP, and I believe that there may well be instances where doing so lead to demonic attack.

But what I’m talking about though is A) the specifics of the cause and effect of the books themselves to the practice of occult, and B) what constitutes the practice of occult.

Because there is no way Father is saying “By reading the books, you are dabbling in witchcraft.” I think it much more likely that he’s saying “By reading the books, you may become more interested in magic, and thereby more likely to unknowingly dabble in occult practice.”

Further, since he doesn’t really explain what constitutes ‘dabbling in the occult’, the reader is left wondering what constitutes such actions. All he says is that intent doesn’t matter. That leaves the door wide open to almost any imaginary game a child could play that involves fantastical elements.🤷
 
Who cares. They see the impact…just like a doctor can see the impact of an addiction despite never having been addicted themselves.

An exorcists deals with the result.

estesbob is just trying to marginalize their statements by claiming they have no view because they might not have read the books…utter nonsense…they do not go looking for this stuff and they singled out just a couple instances…
Still “wasting your time” 4 pages after you apologized for your thread being a big waste of everyone’s time? 😛

It’s becoming more and more difficult to take you serious my friend. I’ve only seen the movies, but the rest of my family has read the books. From what I’ve seen, as someone who takes his faith very seriously, the primary theme is that love is more powerful than evil. This theme takes place in a fantasy world of witches and muggles, but I don’t thin it “glamorizes” witchcraft any more than other fantasy novels.

The only reasonable comment against the books that I’ve seen in the thread is about the use of torture without remorse. Is that the ending? I think I have to wait until the summer to find out about that. 🙂
 
Of course he’s saying that playing with the occult leads to possession… but that wasn’t my question.

Can you reread my post?

I believe some children have been inspired to dabble in witchcraft upon reading HP, and I believe that there may well be instances where doing so lead to demonic attack.

But what I’m talking about though is A) the specifics of the cause and effect of the books themselves to the practice of occult, and B) what constitutes the practice of occult.

Because there is no way Father is saying “By reading the books, you are dabbling in witchcraft.” I think it much more likely that he’s saying “By reading the books, you may become more interested in magic, and thereby more likely to unknowingly dabble in occult practice.”

Further, since he doesn’t really explain what constitutes ‘dabbling in the occult’, the reader is left wondering what constitutes such actions. All he says is that intent doesn’t matter. That leaves the door wide open to almost any imaginary game a child could play that involves fantastical elements.🤷
Reading the HP books has lead…

Father is not putting out a major work in that article, and HP is not the only topic he discussed. I think considering HP is simply entertaintment and there is NO requirement to ever read the books or see the movies, Father’s statement becomes more than enough.

Whether or not he will realease a major study on the matter (HP) is something I doubt seriously. So, your questions will likely go unanswered.
 
Still “wasting your time” 4 pages after you apologized for your thread being a big waste of everyone’s time? 😛

It’s becoming more and more difficult to take you serious my friend. I’ve only seen the movies, but the rest of my family has read the books. From what I’ve seen, as someone who takes his faith very seriously, is that the primary theme is that love is more powerful than evil. This theme takes place in a fantasy world of witches and muggles, but I don’t thin it “glamorizes” witchcraft any more than other fantasy novels.

The only reasonable comment against the books that I’ve seen in the thread is about the use of torture without remorse. Is that the ending? I think I have to wait until the summer to find out about that. 🙂
Yep, still wasting my time. 🙂

So, you fall into the same group who rejects what actual experts in the field say, okay, got it.
 
I wonder how many Catholics would rather read HP, than meet the Pope?
 
Yep, still wasting my time. 🙂

So, you fall into the same group who rejects what actual experts in the field say, okay, got it.
“Reject?”. No. That is a strong word. Question? Yes.

Harry Potter has been around for over 13 years now, and is one of the most read series of all time. How many exorcisms have the experts directly linked to the reading of the series? It would seem to me that they would have much more than opinion to back up their and your claim. Out of the millions of readers, how many?
 
This is the sort of sophomoric rhetoric that leads me to dismiss your points.
Just like the little boy who cried wolf. If you run across those making these sophmoric attacks on HP in another thread wouldnt you be inclined ti dimisss thier opinions out of hand? i would.
 
This is the sort of sophomoric rhetoric that leads me to dismiss your points.
Dismiss away.

It is a valid question, which I am not applying to anyone here. I really do wonder how many Catholics (espeically children) would rather read than be able to meet the Pope. I will never know the answer, it is just a curious question to ponder regarding the irrational attachment I see with HP.
 
Just like the little boy who cried wolf. If you run across those making these sophmoric attacks on HP in another thread wouldnt you be inclined ti dimisss thier opinions out of hand? i would.
Just as I noticed you ignored much of what I post, and especially the fair challenge I sent your way. It is your life, so what you will with it, I have no say either way.
 
Dismiss away.

It is a valid question, which I am not applying to anyone here. I really do wonder how many Catholics (espeically children) would rather read than be able to meet the Pope. I will never know the answer, it is just a curious question to ponder regarding the irrational attachment I see with HP.
Well, perhaps you should seek help to end your irrational attachment with HP. 😉
 
“Reject?”. No. That is a strong word. Question? Yes.

Harry Potter has been around for over 13 years now, and is one of the most read series of all time. How many exorcisms have the experts directly linked to the reading of the series? It would seem to me that they would have much more than opinion to back up their and your claim. Out of the millions of readers, how many?
Btw…this seems to be a much more “valid question,” so please don’t ignore it.
 
“Reject?”. No. That is a strong word. Question? Yes.

Harry Potter has been around for over 13 years now, and is one of the most read series of all time. How many exorcisms have the experts directly linked to the reading of the series? It would seem to me that they would have much more than opinion to back up their and your claim. Out of the millions of readers, how many?
One is too many for the sake of simply entertainment. Every soul has eternal value, so even one lost soul is terrible.

Yet, do not be decieved, the good Father said that it has happened, not that it might happen.
 
Reading the HP books has lead…

Father is not putting out a major work in that article, and HP is not the only topic he discussed. I think considering HP is simply entertaintment and there is NO requirement to ever read the books or see the movies, Father’s statement becomes more than enough.

Whether or not he will realease a major study on the matter (HP) is something I doubt seriously. So, your questions will likely go unanswered.
First, that’s not what Father actually said.

“Harry Potter and these Twilight vampires glamorize the power of evil,” Father Eutenener explained, “and this has lead to many, many cases of possession among young people.” It may begin with a child or teenager simply “playing around” with the occult, but that seemingly harmless act is “opening a window” to possession."

Now let me explain why it very much matters that you reduced his quotation, as it alters his point…

Father specifically refers to the Twilight vampires, not Twilight, the book. Which tells us that when he says “Harry Potter and the Twilight vampires”, he means that the characters within the books glamorize the power of evil. Fair point. Why does this distinction matter? Let’s look at the second clause of the first sentence. In addition to the fact that the subject of his first clause referred to characters, his grammar suggests that the subject of the second clause is a singular thing, not plural (he says ‘this has’, not ‘these have.’) With that knowledge, try reading the quotation to mean that the characters in the books have lead to cases of possession. It makes little sense, and it’s grammatically incorrect.

So what is he referring to, then? I think it’s obvious that he’s referring the glamorization of the power of evil, something that is deplorable, yet not specific to Harry Potter at all.
 
I know that *this *Catholic, and her family, could do both. Why the dichotomy?
The point is I wonder which choice would win for Catholics if they had to choose one. Would it be days reading HP, or a few minutes meeting the Pope.

I think I would not want to know the answer because I am guessing many, many people would choose HP, especially children and minors.
 
Like you he has never read the books. if all I knew aboout the books was the claims of those who have never read them i would oppose them also.
Will you then listen to Pope Benedict XVI?:

Pope Opposes Harry Potter Novels - Signed Letters from Cardinal Ratzinger Now Online

…In a letter dated March 7, 2003 Cardinal Ratzinger thanked Kuby for her “instructive” book Harry Potter - gut oder böse (Harry Potter- good or evil?), in which Kuby says the Potter books corrupt the hearts of the young, preventing them from developing a properly ordered sense of good and evil, thus harming their relationship with God while that relationship is still in its infancy.

“It is good, that you enlighten people about Harry Potter, because those are subtle seductions, which act unnoticed and by this deeply distort Christianity in the soul, before it can grow properly,” wrote Cardinal Ratzinger…

…In a second letter sent to Kuby on May 27, 2003, Cardinal Ratzinger “gladly” gave his permission to Kuby to make public “my judgement about Harry Potter.”

The most prominent Potter critic in North America, Catholic novelist and painter Michael O’Brien commented to LifeSiteNews.com on the “judgement” of now-Pope Benedict saying, “This discernment on the part of Benedict XVI reveals the Holy Father’s depth and wide ranging gifts of spiritual discernment.” O’Brien, author of a book dealing with fantasy literature for children added, “it is consistent with many of the statements he’s been making since his election to the Chair of Peter, indeed for the past 20 years - a probing accurate read of the massing ***spiritual warfare ***that is moving to a new level of struggle in western civilization. He is a man in whom a prodigious intellect is integrated with great spiritual gifts. He is the father of the universal church and we would do well to listen to him.”…

Mark Mallett: Harry Potter and The Great Divide

Mark Mallett: Spiritual Warfare: The Occult Has Demonic Influence

…SPIRITUAL WARFARE: THE OCCULT HAS DEMONIC INFLUENCE
by Bishop Donald W. Montrose; article courtesy of www.catholicculture.org…

Even after reading these—some still will not serve.

God Bless you.
+Jesus, I Trust In You!
Love, Dawn
 
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