Starbucks??

[JesuXPIPassio]

Hey there Willy. It’s good you feel the desire to make sure it’s a good company. A lot of people today just won’t care.

Anyway, I don’t know if this will help you at all, but I recall hearing that some of Starbucks’ logo designs have Bible verses on them. That’s gotta be a good sign, right?

Also good, they’re supposed to be environmentalists over there. And Starbucks helps stimulate the economy by providing jobs and giving consumers goods.

Enjoy your job search. Whatever job you find, I’m sure you’ll be great at it if you care enough to make sure it isn’t an immoral company.

I wasn’t sure where i should post this really but i hope you can help me anyways. I was just wondering about one thing. My friend told me to apply at starbucks in my area because they’re hiring and i was looking for a job. I just wanted to know if starbucks is known for supporting anything anti-christian/catholic. If they did then i will not apply. Any help would be great.

God Bless,

 

[Karin]

great point… our (sometimes) lack of charity
do you think it is really our lack of charity or simply a product of the media (post and run to the next thread). BTW, i appreciate the posts that you make

why should willy stick around he got an anwser to his question …he knew from the get go if this company supported non-catholic things then he was not going to work for them (reread his OP)

But I guess some folks like being hypocrites…it is better to lie to someone so they get a job than tell them the truth so** they** can make an informed choice …

 

[Karin]

Hey there Willy. It’s good you feel the desire to make sure it’s a good company. A lot of people today just won’t care.

Anyway, I don’t know if this will help you at all, but I recall hearing that some of Starbucks’ logo designs have Bible verses on them. That’s gotta be a good sign, right?

Also good, they’re supposed to be environmentalists over there. And Starbucks helps stimulate the economy by providing jobs and giving consumers goods.

Enjoy your job search. Whatever job you find, I’m sure you’ll be great at it if you care enough to make sure it isn’t an immoral company.

[SIGN]AMEN[/SIGN]

 

[Karianne]

great point… our (sometimes) lack of charity
do you think it is really our lack of charity or simply a product of the media (post and run to the next thread). BTW, i appreciate the posts that you make

Thank you, I appreciate your posts as well.
Most likely it’s the media itself. I don’t think intentional damage was done.
I, myself didn’t realize how profoundly kids were affected by the internet until the school shootings started about ten years ago.
This issue is so complicated that it’s hard to sort out and I guess folks don’t want to invest the time to think things thru.

 

[Lion]

so gald that I dont fall into this category

this kid was given a direct repsonse to his direct question…
I would be a hypocrite if I stated that starbucks supports these things and that is ok with the church…like some of our fellow posters have done.

Hi Karin!
I tend to skim through some of the messages on a thread at times so please forgive me if I am waaaaayyyy off base, but i don’t recall anyone suggesting that the Church is okay or supportive of people supporting whatever they want. I do not know if the Church has officially banned Catholics from buying coffee at Starbucks, so i guess it is a discussion about preference (or addiction?). I personally do not care for the taste of starbucks (though the eggnog latte is rather yummy) and i think they are waaayyyy overpriced. This is why i do not buy coffee at starbucks.

 

[Karin]

Hi Karin!
I tend to skim through some of the messages on a thread at times so please forgive me if I am waaaaayyyy off base, but i don’t recall anyone suggesting that the Church is okay or supportive of people supporting whatever they want. I do not know if the Church has officially banned Catholics from buying coffee at Starbucks, so i guess it is a discussion about preference (or addiction?). I personally do not care for the taste of starbucks (though the eggnog latte is rather yummy) and i think they are waaayyyy overpriced. This is why i do not buy coffee at starbucks.

Hi Lion-
No what most folks have an issue with is that some of us answered his question honestly…this has nothing to do with Starbucks coffee, I personally dont drink it either because we prefer something else.

 

[Lion]

why should willy stick around he got an anwser to his question …he knew from the get go if this company supported non-catholic things then he was not going to work for them (reread his OP)

But I guess some folks like being hypocrites…it is better to lie to someone so they get a job than tell them the truth so** they** can make an informed choice …

I wasn’t talking about Willy I was talking about all of us in general)… my comment was more about the limitations that written conversations have… stop… think… and tell me how i was attacking your character, beliefs, your whatever

From what I’ve read from you here and on other posts, I’m starting to get the sense that you are either angry or defensive. Why? People (and yes even Catholics) on this forum are going to be coming from a different understanding, a different knowledge base, different experiences… but we are all here to learn and discuss issues from our perspective… I give thanks to those who respectfully correct me… and sometimes it does come out (in written format as sounding harsh…

I try to read other’s post with a “generous heart/charitable mind” (though not always successful ) so that when I do speak my mind (as my dad taught me) I am adding not subtracting from others. I have found that oftentimes, it is not so much what you say, but how you say it. I have seen your posts on other threads and for the most part enjoy your comments/contributions, but you always sound angry/ defensive… I’m sorry if that sounds hard but it is how i feel
I apologize for getting off track, but felt a need to express this to you… I’m sure you’ll want to respond me, so maybe we should take this into PM? I don’t want you to think I don’t care about you (as you have some incredible insights/ comments) Maybe I should have sent this to you in a PM…

 

[Lion]

Thank you, I appreciate your posts as well.
Most likely it’s the media itself. I don’t think intentional damage was done.
I, myself didn’t realize how profoundly kids were affected by the internet until the school shootings started about ten years ago.
This issue is so complicated that it’s hard to sort out and I guess folks don’t want to invest the time to think things thru.

My problem is that people (parents) don’t want to invest time in monitoring their kid’s time on the internet… but that is a whole different thread…
Mind you, I have a hard time monitoring myself at times
I am thankful for all those who posted links to reports of what Starbucks supports… it has opened my eyes!! However, I dont think i can shop anywhere now without contravening Catholic beliefs

 

[setitstraight]

did you miss the part where both my 1st and 2nd post where directed to another poster …they where in response to their posts

I know that you were responding to another poster…that is why you cannot claim neutrality.

You make a neutral statement directed towards Willy and in the same post you state a clear opinion regarding the same subject towards a different poster.

This is the context of your post:

Willy - Starbucks supports abortion and Gays,
and Julianna, would you really want your kids working there supporting them with their presence?

Oh yeah Karin - really neutral. You clearly communicated that you think it would be immoral for someone to work at Starbucks.

 

[setitstraight]

why should willy stick around he got an anwser to his question …he knew from the get go if this company supported non-catholic things then he was not going to work for them (reread his OP)

But I guess some folks like being hypocrites…it is better to lie to someone so they get a job than tell them the truth so** they** can make an informed choice …

Why should Willy have stuck around? He would have had his eyes opened that the world does not go work in black and white…but many shades of gray.

 

[Karin]

I wasn’t talking about Willy I was talking about all of us in general)… my comment was more about the limitations that written conversations have… stop… think… and tell me how i was attacking your character, beliefs, your whatever

it was a general statement Lion not directed at you
sorry for the confusion

Lion no need for a PM…here ya go…I am sick and tired of certain posters professing to be a catholic and posting things that are totally against what the church teaches and not having an issue with it…then when you point out their error(s) they get snippity and start insulting you on a personal level.
(some of this has nothing to do with this thread)

 

[setitstraight]

it was a general statement Lion not directed at you
sorry for the confusion

Lion no need for a PM…here ya go…I am sick and tired of certain posters professing to be a catholic and posting things that are totally against what the church teaches and not having an issue with it…then when you point out their error(s) they get snippity and start insulting you on a personal level.
(some of this has nothing to do with this thread)

Karin - I’ve been following the post, I don’t recall any obvious personal attacks against you.

You wrote:

“I am sick and tired of certain posters professing to be a catholic and posting things that are totally against what the church teaches”

Get used to Catholics having different opinions and beliefs from your own. Over a billion Catholics in the world - there’s bound to be some disagreement.

 

[davy39]

We have a marvelous coffee maker that grinds the coffee beans and makes the coffee to perfection. We buy the beans in the (French roast) in the 2.5 lb bag ,yes, STARBUCKS!! We buy it from Costco. They have lots of great stuff made everywhere in the world. We even bought our coffee maker there. No one has touched on Costco yet, are they o.k. to buy from and work for? Just curious. The worst thing about Starbucks is that it is a bit spendy and just too good to take out of the budget!! Problems, problems!!

I agree with the poster before me, how silly are we “Catholics” anyway???

Love and peace,
Mom of 5

I believe Costco is owned by the Chinese. Correct me if I’m wrong. I’m not sure.

 

[setitstraight]

I just erased my post - I feel as though I’m banging my head against the wall! Lol…

 

[setitstraight]

I believe Costco is owned by the Chinese. Correct me if I’m wrong. I’m not sure.

Your incorrect…

"Costco is a Washington corporation, publicly traded under the Nasdaq ticker symbol “COST”, with its home office in Issaquah, Washington.

A more complete description of the Company and its business is contained in the Company’s periodic filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. "

phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=83830&p=irol-homeprofile

 

[Karin]

Karin - I’ve been following the post, I don’t recall any obvious personal attacks against you.

You wrote:

“I am sick and tired of certain posters professing to be a catholic and posting things that are totally against what the church teaches”

Get used to Catholics having different opinions and beliefs from your own. Over a billion Catholics in the world - there’s bound to be some disagreement.

you must of missed the part where I stated…
(some of this has nothing to do with this thread)
See the was the last sentence in my post
Oh I am sure that there is disagreement among catholics…but I did not think there was much disagreement in rgards to abortion, homosexual unions etc., but I see I am mistaken

 

[Julianna]

yes setitstraight, you are banging your head against the wall. I get you…no one is an island…no matter what faith they profess to be. We can’t live in a fish bowl at the exclusion of all others…especially in the US.

Willy doesn’t want to work at Starbucks…ok, fine…his choice. Yepper, you are beating a dead horse. I do find that if you state your opinion and it doesn’t mesh with “everything” Catholic, suddenly you are an outcast. I find it difficult to believe that everyone is “Catholic” all the time 24/7…and are carrying around the LDI list…or some list of do’s and don’ts.

Jesus taught by example and went to homes where people were less than perfect…he didn’t live in a fishbowl. I agree with the poster that thought that if Willy did work for Starbucks perhaps he could provide another outlook.

Telling people where to shop, where to work, who to vote for…et al…is a slippery slope, one that poses a danger to our freedoms. If want country run by religion…ask yourself “how is working for the Middle East?”

 

[setitstraight]

you must of missed the part where I stated…
(some of this has nothing to do with this thread)
See the was the last sentence in my post
Oh I am sure that there is disagreement among catholics…but I did not think there was much disagreement in rgards to abortion, homosexual unions etc., but I see I am mistaken

Nowhere in this thread has anyone ever written that they support abortion or homosexual acts.

My entire point, best expressed by Julianna’s last post, ’ no man is an island.’

I have been insisting that people at least consider the problem of boycotting Starbucks, while wearing sneakers made in China.

That has been my point entirely.

 

[setitstraight]

no one is an island…no matter what faith they profess to be. We can’t live in a fish bowl at the exclusion of all others…especially in the US.

Well said. We have to follow our conscience at times and I don’t think that the Catechism or the Church can answer every question that we will ever come across. Sometimes we have to make our own decisions.

Which is exactly what people are doing when they boycott Starbucks. My only point has been to consider that there are far more complicated situations where although your boycotting Starbucks, your happily buying products from China.

I originally used USA trade with Canada as an example, as Canada has legalized abortion and same sex marriage…but clearly that was too subtle.

The only reply I ever got from my first post was from Lorik telling me that they don’t buy cars from a country, but a company. Lorik failing to see that they are actually supporting an entire economy that touches multiple nations with every purchase they make ( especially a car)…failing to see that parts of that car may have come from China or a developing country that has sketchy human rights practices…failing to see that the pay cheque of the factory employee who built the car, may go towards his girlfriend getting an abortion, or the employee going out and getting a prositute etc… ** ( Help, I can’t stop trying to hammer home this point that only falls on deaf ears)**

I do find that if you state your opinion and it doesn’t mesh with “everything” Catholic, suddenly you are an outcast. I find it difficult to believe that everyone is “Catholic” all the time 24/7…and are carrying around the LDI list…or some list of do’s and don’ts.

I’m new here and I’m seeing this as a re-occurring theme. However, it seems to only come up once in a while.

Jesus taught by example and went to homes where people were less than perfect…he didn’t live in a fishbowl. I agree with the poster that thought that if Willy did work for Starbucks perhaps he could provide another outlook.

My very first post I wrote, that it is said that Christians are strangers in a foreign land.

Telling people where to shop, where to work, who to vote for…et al…is a slippery slope, one that poses a danger to our freedoms. If want country run by religion…ask yourself “how is working for the Middle East?”

Iran is a run by a leader who has extreme religious and moral conviction. It’s not what you would consider a free country, nor is it a great place for women to prosper.

 

[Karin]

Nowhere in this thread has anyone ever written that they support abortion or homosexual acts.

I never said that they did…did you read what I wrote? SOME OF THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS THREAD! Meaning some of what I stated in my reply to Lion had nothing to do with this thread (expressly the homosexuals and abortion issues)! **may I suggest that you read the whole post that I was replying to as I did not quote it in its total in my reply… **