Strong Desire to Attend Mass, But Not Catholic

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You may gain years of experience in prayer. You will always feel inadeguate. Everyone does. Another word for it is humility. God only hears the humble. God never hears the proud. As a saint grows in holiness she grows in humility.

There is a difference between pride and confidence.
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Susan, I would also like to share what someone told me once when they invited me to pray and I felt apprehensive because I didnt think I know how to. She said to me, "there is no such thing as bag prayer, there is only an insincere one. God desires sincere hearts. So even if you feel a little silly as you pray but your heart is burning with Love, realize that this is closer to prayer than someone who recites poetry but isnt sincere.
 
I am not Catholic, but I go to mass on a regular basis. The only thing is, you can’t take part in communion there.
 
Susan, I would also like to share what someone told me once when they invited me to pray and I felt apprehensive because I didnt think I know how to. She said to me, "there is no such thing as bad prayer, there is only an insincere one. God desires sincere hearts. So even if you feel a little silly as you pray but your heart is burning with Love, realize that this is closer to prayer than someone who recites poetry but isnt sincere.
Thanks, that is good to know. I do feel apprehensive about praying, just don’t feel like I know what I’m doing really. I find it easier to say the prescribed prayers such as the Hail Mary (I’m really starting to love the rosary!) because I feel I’m saying something of value. I worry though when I’m reciting the rosary that I don’t really know what I’m saying, I mean I know what all the words mean but I wonder if I am actually comprehending their meaning. Then also we are supposed to meditate on the mysteries during the rosary, and I try to do that, but my mind wanders constantly. I’ll imagine for example, Jesus being crucified, and have an image of that in my mind. But then suddenly I’m thinking about dinner. Or my job. Then I’m like oops I’m not concentrating and I think about the crucifixion again. Its like a constant struggle to remain present. Though I suppose everyone experiences that.

When I do pray with my own words, I feel very foolish… half like I’m talking to myself and half like I am being too familiar with God. I don’t feel like I know the right words. I’ve heard other Catholics pray out loud in their own words and they sound so confident and well-versed in what they are saying. I understand what you are explaining though, that its the attitude that matters, and I’m going to hold on to that thought and try not to be so hard on myself.
 
We are members of Christ’s one body, united in His divine life even beyond the grace, and concerned with each other’s salvation and growth in God’s family. In that union, we call fo rhelp and support from our older brothers and sisters who have altready won their crown of glory.

I hope this gives you a start. The saints in heaven are more alive in Christ that we are here on earth. We are not separated.
Wow thanks, that was really great. All those scripture references were good too. I guess I should get a Bible, huh?? 😉 I don’t currently own one. Some of it is over my head honestly but I am saving and printing out your post, so I can re-read it and hopefully read the scripture verses also. I think I will have to re-read a few times to have at least some understanding.
 
That would be scary. I came in contact with the group in a place where they went for vacations in New Hampshire, a little town in the White Mountains. They refused to have anything to do with anyone. They would not speak to anyone. I used to go to the town with my kids on a summer night to buy them ice cream cones. The Hassids, men and women, used to look at us with disdain, literally with sneers. On the hottest summer days the men paraded around dressed like they were in Siberia and the women wore big hideous wigs. Nevertheless, remember Mother’s advice to you about loving your mother no matter how ill she was or what she did. What would she tell you about these people?
Yes I find them quite scary… I had nightmares about them as a kid. I used to try to avoid them when I lived in NYC. Many times I would see them looking at me in a peculiar way, and I wondered if they thought I looked like one of them, or maybe just they realized I was Jewish… not sure. But I’m told I look very Hasidic, whatever that means lol. Some Lubavitchers told me that, on more than one occasion. When I said my mother was Satmar, they claimed they could see it in my face. The Lubavitch are quite friendly for Hasidic Jews, I think they are the only group who are not xenophobic. I went to a rabbi at a Chabad House once (a Lubavitch Rabbi), he is who I am referring to in this thread: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=335966. He really was quite kind to me but at the same time I felt judged, and I have since learned that he gave me incorrect information, or at least information not held by most rabbis. After talking to him and the other Lubavitch I discovered they have some ideas which I find odd (I hope I’m permitted to say that here). They think their Rebbe was Moschiach (the Messiah). He is deceased now but they believe he is coming back… anyhow just my personal opinion, they are exceptionally nice, kind people but I find their beliefs odd. Kind of like Mormons in a way. Very friendly and nice but their beliefs are something I could never accept.

And yes, I know Mother would say re: the Satmars that I should love them, even when it is difficult to love. I have mixed feelings about them honestly. They scare me but I also feel a strange kinship with them, and I feel sorry for them in a way too because they seem so removed from everything. In a way they seem afraid themselves, of anything outside their community. In any event, I don’t think I will be trying to find my family anytime soon.
 
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http://www.deaconlaz.org/edith_stein.htm

Please read this short bio on Edith Stein, a Jew who was canonized a saint by Pope John Paul II.

This is the most famous conversion story of the 1800s and possible several centuries. When it happened it was major news in Europe.

marysource.com/articles/a…ratisbonne.htm
Wow thanks, I am going to read all of this when I get time. Once again I’ve run out of time to answer everything, sorry!
 
I mean I know what all the words mean but I wonder if I am actually comprehending their meaning. Then also we are supposed to meditate on the mysteries during the rosary, and I try to do that, but my mind wanders constantly. I’ll imagine for example, Jesus being crucified, and have an image of that in my mind. But then suddenly I’m thinking about dinner. Or my job. Then I’m like oops I’m not concentrating and I think about the crucifixion again. Its like a constant struggle to remain present. Though I suppose everyone experiences that.
 
Welcome! God is calling you to the fullness of the truth. You don’t have to be Catholic to attend mass. But you do have to be Catholic to receive the body and blood during mass, just a little note. 👍 During communion it would be ok for you to walk up with your arms folded across your chest and receive a blessing from the Priest or minister, or you can just remain seated and pray or observe. 😉

It’s awesome that you want to go to mass and I hope that when you attend it will be fullfilling to you spiritually. Mass is so much more than a church service. You get to witness live and in person a miracle. Bread and wine turning into the actual body and blood of Christ.

The Catholic Church unlike most other denominations has 7 sacraments: Baptism, Confirmation, Communion, Holy Orders, Anointing of the Sick, Reconciliation, and Matrimony. Many others only have 1 or 2, and none of them are healing. 😃

Just some more to think about!
 
Aleichem shalom! 🙂

ETA:

To those who don’t know, Shalom aleichem means “Peace be upon you.” And the response, Aleichem shalom is “Upon you be peace.”

Reminds me of that part of the mass actually, where the priest says “Peace be with you” and we all say “And also with you”. I guess its the same thing?
👍 Yep! The Mass was originally a Jewish ceremony, so the expressions come straight out of the Jewish way of speaking. 🙂
 
Welcome! God is calling you to the fullness of the truth. You don’t have to be Catholic to attend mass. But you do have to be Catholic to receive the body and blood during mass, just a little note. 👍 During communion it would be ok for you to walk up with your arms folded across your chest and receive a blessing from the Priest or minister, or you can just remain seated and pray or observe. 😉
Yikes, please don’t recommend going forward with “arms crossed for a blessing” on an international forum; this is only a local custom in some places - it’s not part of the Mass, and the vast majority of priests have never even heard of this custom, other than in the few places where it exists. The vast majority of priests assume that those coming forward are coming to receive Holy Communion, and it could be very confusing for all concerned.

I am sure you meant well, but the best thing for a non-Catholic to do (unless told and invited otherwise by the priest himself) is to simply remain in the pew and pray an Act of Spiritual Holy Communion. 🙂
 
Yikes, please don’t recommend going forward with “arms crossed for a blessing” on an international forum; this is only a local custom in some places - it’s not part of the Mass, and the vast majority of priests have never even heard of this custom, other than in the few places where it exists. The vast majority of priests assume that those coming forward are coming to receive Holy Communion, and it could be very confusing for all concerned.

I am sure you meant well, but the best thing for a non-Catholic to do (unless told and invited otherwise by the priest himself) is to simply remain in the pew and pray an Act of Spiritual Holy Communion. 🙂
The “special” blessing routine is a recent innovation in the U.S. It is probably the result of well meaning people trying to make everyone feel included. Everyone at Mass is in the presence of Christ who is present body, blood, soul and divinity. Having the priest rub your head is a distraction from the Real Presence. In the Eastern rites the way people go forward to receive is they approach the priest by crossing their hands over their chests, so now when a priest sees a stranger approach in this manner he has no idea what to do. He does not know if this is an Eastern Catholic, or a non-Catholic who attends Mass in a Latin rite parish.
 
May the Lord encourage responsible authorities to clearly explain the Church’s teaching re non-catholics and the conditions under which they may be permitted to receive the Eucharist.

God bless.
 
Thanks, that is good to know. I do feel apprehensive about praying, just don’t feel like I know what I’m doing really. I find it easier to say the prescribed prayers such as the Hail Mary (I’m really starting to love the rosary!) because I feel I’m saying something of value. I worry though when I’m reciting the rosary that I don’t really know what I’m saying, I mean I know what all the words mean but I wonder if I am actually comprehending their meaning. Then also we are supposed to meditate on the mysteries during the rosary, and I try to do that, but my mind wanders constantly. I’ll imagine for example, Jesus being crucified, and have an image of that in my mind. But then suddenly I’m thinking about dinner. Or my job. Then I’m like oops I’m not concentrating and I think about the crucifixion again. Its like a constant struggle to remain present. Though I suppose everyone experiences that.

When I do pray with my own words, I feel very foolish… half like I’m talking to myself and half like I am being too familiar with God. I don’t feel like I know the right words. I’ve heard other Catholics pray out loud in their own words and they sound so confident and well-versed in what they are saying. I understand what you are explaining though, that its the attitude that matters, and I’m going to hold on to that thought and try not to be so hard on myself.
Susan,

The golden rule in prayer is that prayer is worth as much as the fruit it bears. Distractions are common and regular for most people. Our human imaginations are unruly. For most of us, it is a trial or a cross by which God humbles us. St. Francis de Sales says that prayer time is well spent even if all we do is fight off distractions and temptations. It’s not about something exciting happening, it’s about being in God’s presence and being transformed by His grace.

St. Teresa of Avila, I believe, talks about how even in very advanced persons the imagination still moves freely. And saints like St. Therese of Lisieux even used to fall asleep all the time while praying. I assure you that if you have any trouble in prayer, the saints have all been there and done that. 🙂

Let me give you a few considerations. There are many, many different ways to pray. The rosary is one of the best, because it can be prayed in a way which is best for you. Some people think that the only way to meditate on the rosary is in an “Ignatian” method-- St. Ignatius of Loyola in his spiritual exercises recommends that one made a mental picture of the gospel scene and insert oneself in. But let me tell you, some of us aren’t picture thinkers. 😃 So other people will meditate on the truths revealed in the passage. This is good too, but I tend to be too intellectual. So my confessor recommended that I use the “fruits of the mystery” as a guide to doing an examination of conscience during the rosary. For instance, if you use “patience” as the fruit for the fourth sorrowful mystery, the carrying of the cross, then you could reflect on sins against patience in relation to the carrying of the cross.

No one of these ways is the “right” way to pray the rosary. Do what’s best for you, and just know that just because your way of prayer isn’t the textbook way, that doesn’t mean it’s wrong.

Another way of meditative prayer is “lectio divina,” a practice with monastic roots. It means “sacred reading” of the Scriptures, slowly and meditative, open to the movement of the Spirit. Thelma Hall has a pretty good introduction in her book “Too Deep for Words.”

As for spontaneous prayer: I hear yah. You’ll get more comfortable the more you do it. It’s no more awkward than early conversations between two friends, or especially, between friends of the opposite sex. The difference, of course, is that He already knows everything about you-- so you can’t really embarrass yourself in front of Him.

And since you like structured prayer (I do too!), check out the Liturgy of the Hours. The church arranged the psalms into a 4 week format, and she prays them regularly-- there are seven hours in the current system, so you’ll have morning prayer, three daytime pray, evening prayer, an office of readings, and night prayer, every day with the full Liturgy of the Hours. It’s a way of praying the psalms throughout the day in union with the whole Church (all ordained and religious are obligated to pray the Hours-- including those wonderful sisters who helped you). You can find cheaper and abbreviated versions in “Shorter Christian Prayer” (very bare bones, the four week psalter so you can pray morning and evening prayer, and night prayer), and “Christian Prayer” (pray morning and evening prayer with the proper texts for all the liturgical days, and night prayer).

Just think about this stuff when you feel prompted to grow more in prayer, so you know what’s available. 🙂

By the way Susan, Edith Stein converted after reading St. Teresa of Avila. When you read up on St. Teresa Benedicta (Edith Stein) make sure you read some books by St. Teresa of Avila. She was a brilliant woman and an awesome mystic. She has an autobiography and many books on prayer, including the Interior Castle and the Way of Perfection. If you are looking for an understandable introduction to the Carmelite mystics (Sts. Teresa of Avila and John of the Cross), then I found Fr. Thomas Dubay’s “Fire Within” to be an inspiring and accessible introduction. Do yourself a favor and read the introduction online now.

God bless,
Rob
 
I worry though when I’m reciting the rosary that I don’t really know what I’m saying, I mean I know what all the words mean but I wonder if I am actually comprehending their meaning. Then also we are supposed to meditate on the mysteries during the rosary, and I try to do that, but my mind wanders constantly. I’ll imagine for example, Jesus being crucified, and have an image of that in my mind. But then suddenly I’m thinking about dinner. Or my job. Then I’m like oops I’m not concentrating and I think about the crucifixion again. Its like a constant struggle to remain present. Though I suppose everyone experiences that.
You are in great company here. Bishops and Cardinals, as well as the Popes share the same very human problem with you. The Pope goes to confession often, so don’t feel like a failure!

If you have a small book or pamphlet that explains the Rosary and lists the mysteries, try focusing on the images that coincide with each mystery. You will be surprised at the things that will occur to you while praying the Rosary. Insights into all that happened back then and which also apply to what is happening today will come to you.
When I do pray with my own words, I feel very foolish… half like I’m talking to myself and half like I am being too familiar with God. I don’t feel like I know the right words. I’ve heard other Catholics pray out loud in their own words and they sound so confident and well-versed in what they are saying. I understand what you are explaining though, that its the attitude that matters, and I’m going to hold on to that thought and try not to be so hard on myself.
We can never be too familiar with the Lord. However, from your faith odyssey, you have been shown how much God loves you. He wants you to be so familiar with him that you speak with Him constantly. It is a relationship based upon eternal and unfathomable love. Use simple and honest words to Him. Consider this prayer for those who are dying: “My Jesus, mercy”. It sounds so simple, yet it describes and asks for everything that can possibly be needed.

Your attitude of humility is what is propelling you so rapidly toward the Lord. The greatest of Saints never felt worthy, and their example must be ours as well. God bless you.
 
Yes I understand that, I’ve never gone up for communion.
Susan,

I hope you can look into the RCIA program at the church you are attending. You will learn so much through the program and it is through RCIA that you will become a true Catholic, and can partake in the Holy Eucharist. It normally begins in September, is one night a week, and takes you through the Easter Vigil, when candidates are brought into the church.

Connie:)
 
Susan,
Years ago a friend of mine was asked by one of the sisters who was working a summer program with the kids in San Francisco if he could help out by finding some toy airplanes for the kids. We searched around and found some wind up models and sent them. I wonder if you were one of the kids who played with the airplanes or got one.
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