The church will become small ...She will no longer be able to inhabit many of the edifices she built [like CAF]

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Here’s the thing though—

Did the first apostles think about the numbers?

Or did they simply boldly proclaim the Truth?
 
We already knew about your theory of the Benedictine Option in other threads, what is the purpose of this one? This is starting to sound like an anti-Francis commercial.

Also, what some call “Benedictine Option” and “Francis effect” is not mutually exclusive. The early Church lived in small and voluntary communities, yet they evangelized all the time, sometimes openly, and primarily grew out of new converts.
 
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If our society was becoming more secular and more happy, then it would seem futile to evangelize.

But the more secular we become, the more anxiety, depression, addiction manifest.
 
We already knew about your theory of the Benedictine Option in other threads, what is the purpose of this one? This is starting to sound like an anti-Francis commercial
The only point of mentioning Pope Francis was to posit that even a dynamic, charismatic engagement with the world backed by all the resources of the Vatican has not yielded a new evangelization. Pope Francis certainly is not responsible for the 40-50 year trends that have been repeatedly cited above.

The purpose of this thread is to posit that the end of CAF is just more evidence that
the existing culture has become so degenerate that it is essentially beyond evangelizing
 
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But the more secular we become, the more anxiety, depression, addiction manifest.
Speaking of Pope Francis, he made this very point right at the start of his papacy in Evangelium Gaudii.

Problem is, the world likes its neuroses, because they are just tolerable side effects of a depraved life consisting of the yummy sins that they want more than anything else. So it’s not that the Holy Father was wrong. It is that the world doesn’t want to listen.

So much for the
anti-Francis commercial
 
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It takes generations to change the Church. Vatican II was so poorly implemented - as if it was a license to reinvent the faith. Yet, from reading the lives of the Saints, it is clear that a dynamic individual can make a huge difference.

As to religious orders, many are failing because they have become a reflection of the world around them rather than to illuminate that world. However, there are spots of hope. The Dominican Sisters of Mary, Mother of the Eucharist began in 1997 with four sisters. They are 100% faithful to the magisterium. At last count, they have 120+ and are teaching the next generation.

Indeed, there are bright spots in every apocalypse.
 
The Dominican Sisters of Mary, Mother of the Eucharist
Dreher argues that prototypical Benedict Option communities should ideally be built around monasteries and convents. That is why it is called the Benedict option.
 
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primarily grew out of new converts.
There aren’t any. That is the problem. Case in point: Catholic Answers was founded, primarily, to defend the Church from Protestant attack and to make converts out of them (and I am one of them.) This forum is supposed to do just that. Back in the day, it worked (and I am proof.) But it doesn’t work anymore.

Why not? Was Catholic Answers (or Pope Francis, or insert evangelizing agent here) wrong all along? No. The culture has changed… to a point of no return.

The problem is not us. It is the world.
 
Or how about this—to give the kiddos (and other people in our lives) a safe and stable place to return to.

And remember, we are thinking in time scales of decades.
 
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Dreher argues that prototypical Benedict Option communities should ideally be built around monasteries and convents. That is why it is called the Benedict option.
Here’s where it starts to go sideways. If you have the energy and drive to move your family and shape your entire lives around a monastery, you certainly have the ability to stay in your boring old local Catholic Church, volunteer for 986588964477 things and invite the 4-5 families you approve of over for dinner and picnics all the time. More boring, but better.
 
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Just as the church started small then saw explosive growth…it was because it offered something their societies lacked. The Early Christians showed them a different way to live and looked desirable for exactly those differences. Right now, a religious life barely looks any different than a secular one except on Sunday morning.
Exactly. You nailed it.
 
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I deeply revere Pope Benedict XVI, but I’ve got to say, that comes across as a little defeatist
Let’s say you are a father of a large family, and you have been lucky enough to get a ticket for the maiden voyage of the RMS Titanic. The White Star Line (popular culture) has convinced almost everyone on board that the ship is unsinkable. You decide to go see the stars one night, and so you see the ship hit the iceberg.

You promptly run under deck and tell everyone you can find that the ship may sink and that it is time to get to the lifeboats (evangelization). No one believes you until the ship begins to wobble. Now you know that you’re right. At first a lot of people believe you and they start getting on the boats. But your evangelizing is subject to diminishing returns. Worse, you realize that there aren’t enough lifeboats (the Church is running out of resources.) Even worse, the White Star Line has been very effective in thwarting your efforts and they are working on putting you in the brig.

At this point, if it was just you –if you were a priest or consecrated religious or otherwise not responsible for a family–you could just stay where you are on the Titanic (the popular culture) and try to save a few more people. But because you have a family , you have to do what is best for them, and that is getting them onto a lifeboat.

It isn’t about victory or defeat. It is about fulfilling your duties to God in your state of life.
This is an interesting analogy, and I pretty much see your point.

In my own personal journey, though, I have drawn great strength from making my mind up, time and again, to “pick myself up… and start all over again”, to borrow from the Nat King Cole song (a song I like very much — it speaks to me).

In homeschool right now, we are studying the Catholic Middle Ages, and I teach my son that this era, while not perfect — nothing in this life ever is — is “the way things are supposed to be”, a period when the Church was the primary force in society, the driving force, and that our “marching orders” are to do everything in our power to restore even a little tiny piece of this — instaurare omnia in Christo. I’ve found that when you give up on a dream, sure enough, it will never be realized.

It’s as much a matter of personal temperament, as anything else. When I look at the great cathedrals, reflect upon the Catholic kings and emperors, I think Deo volente, we will get back to that kind of glory one day!”. And even if we don’t, well, keep the hope alive in your heart.

Nat “King” Cole & George Shearing - Pick Yourself Up - YouTube
 
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the end of CAF is just more evidence that
The end of CAF is evidence that a poorly managed forum with a relatively high overhead cost is going to become a business liability as it’s failing to yield benefit on a number of levels, and it’s not surprising when it gets cancelled by management.

I think your argument would be stronger if you just focused on the numbers in the pews and didn’t start trying to relate everything in the universe including CAF to the “Benedict Option”. Fauken nailed it in her first post responding to you, about 92 posts ago. There is nothing more to be said re CAF.
 
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Even if you’re right (the Church isn’t shrinking as much as just getting older), old folks don’t have kids. An old church is a shrinking church.
I’m not seeing a shrinkage in people in the pews.
I’m seeing the pew population as stable and older.
Perhaps I was not clear on the earlier pattern I see.

People over 60. As older members move on, more over 60 are there replacing them.

I have been watching this in multiple parishes for almost half a century now.
 
Before the closure was announced, there were at most around 70 registered users per day.
In all honestly, I find it very hard to believe there are only 70 users per day on CAF when I just counted roughly 35 users of this thread alone.
 
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