The Times Inflates Trump's Foolishness into Monstrousness

[gam197]

Where is the demand for a true leadership among his followers?

The leadership is there, you just don’t like the message so kill the messenger.

There is nothing wrong with letting the SARS sick elderly manage their own care.

 

[Emeraldlady]

Not suggesting two wrongs make a right, but I for one am glad, in a way, to see a Republican President push back, against the equally atrocious behavior of the press.

It only takes one to fight, and if only one is fighting then the results are predetermined.

Everyone knows that the press are bottom feeders. That is the nature of corporate media. It’s even happening in ‘Catholic’ media circles. But everyone knows the most efficacious way to deal with them is not play the game. Sue them using the justice system if they rise to serious libel. But how dumb is it to sink to the level of shooting out your own slander, libel, foolishness, idiocy? The British Royals know this. We know it in Australia seeing how the media took part in the condemnation of Lindy Chamberlain and Cdl Pell. So I don’t buy that someone like Trump doesn’t know it as well. You have to ask the question does he really just not care about his responsibility as a national leader? Is it really all just about him?

 

[Emeraldlady]

Emeraldlady:

Everytime he tweets it is to taunt or bait someone or other. Why does he keep on doing that? Is he addicted to drama or something? Doesn’t that sense of responsibility to the welfare of his country come into play as it has in every other country? Could he be so shallow that he keeps doing that baiting thing because he is defended for every outrageous thing he comes up with? Where is the demand for a true leadership among his followers?

He tweets because he wants to get the news out.

Are you reading his tweets? He is tweeting to taunt and bait people he doesn’t like. It’s just childish vengeance. Seriously. Very little I’ve ever seen tweeted by him is ‘news’.

Emeraldlady:

Where is the demand for a true leadership among his followers?

The leadership is there, you just don’t like the message so kill the messenger.

If that is what modern Americans classify as leadership, gone are the days of the world looking to the US as the model.

There is nothing wrong with letting the SARS sick elderly manage their own care.

I don’t know what you mean by this? Ordinary people have no training in medical issues. That is why we rely on medical experts to help us.

 

[gam197]

Are you reading his tweets? He is tweeting to taunt and bait people he doesn’t like. It’s just childish vengeance. Seriously. Very little I’ve ever seen tweeted by him is ‘news’.

Most of the time, he is tweeting to defend himself or to get information out on events. He tweeted that he spoke to Cardinal Dolan and would be watching mass.

He posts pictures of presidents, prime ministers and other dignitaries that he meets with as the press rarely cover that.

 

[gam197]

I don’t know what you mean by this? Ordinary people have no training in medical issues. That is why we rely on medical experts to help us.

The medical community is not one body.

I mean and I will repeat again , that when the sick and elderly are dying I think it is their business. Trump mentioned a malaria drug, Hydroxychloroquine and the press went nuts. Let the dying elderly patient decide if he/she would like to try plasma with antibodies. It is their choice.

The medical community all think differently and if you have a doctor who wants to
try either the drug or plasma, let the patient decide.

 

[Emeraldlady]

Emeraldlady:

I don’t know what you mean by this? Ordinary people have no training in medical issues. That is why we rely on medical experts to help us.

The medical community is not one body.

I mean and I will repeat again , that when the sick and elderly are dying I think it is their business. Trump mentioned a malaria drug, Hydroxychloroquine and the press went nuts. Let the dying elderly patient decide if he/she would like to try plasma with antibodies. It is their choice.

The medical community all think differently and if you have a doctor who wants to
try either the drug or plasma, let the patient decide.

I have no idea where you are coming from or going with this line of argument? Are you saying that people should trust Trumps medical advice rather than their doctors?

 

[gam197]

I have no idea where you are coming from or going with this line of argument? Are you saying that people should trust Trumps medical advice rather than their doctors?

There are two things Hydroxychloroquine and plasma with antibodies. Some doctors use them in their treatment. Trump is just picking up what everyone knows, that some doctors used these regiments.

That is between doctor and patient and when a elderly person is dying, he has the right to choose or ask. You want to control people’s lives because you think you know better.

People who have money go overseas for treatments that they can’t get here all the time. That is their business. I think if should be available to all sick elderly patients and then let them decide.

 

[sallybutler]

Why even involve doctors? Why limit it to COVID-19? Let everyone treat themselves for whatever they think they have with whatever they want to use.

The medical community all think differently and if you have a doctor who wants to
try either the drug or plasma, let the patient decide.

Edited to add this

After all, a Google search is as good as a medical degree (to misquote my doctor)

 

[gam197]

Why even involve doctors? Why limit it to COVID-19? Let everyone treat themselves for whatever they think they have with whatever they want to use.

These patients are sick elderly who have a slim chance of survival from SARS. Stop trying to mandate their care. There are many geriatric doctors who are already trying these medications and procedures on their patients.

 

[gam197]

After all, a Google search is as good as a medical degree (to misquote my doctor)

The elderly are not google searching. They are asking for help from their primary physicians.

 

[Emeraldlady]

Emeraldlady:

I have no idea where you are coming from or going with this line of argument? Are you saying that people should trust Trumps medical advice rather than their doctors?

There are two things Hydroxychloroquine and plasma with antibodies. Some doctors use them in their treatment. Trump is just picking up what everyone knows, that some doctors used these regiments.

That is between doctor and patient and when a elderly person is dying, he has the right to choose or ask. You want to control people’s lives because you think you know better.

People who have money go overseas for treatments that they can’t get here all the time. That is their business. I think if should be available to all sick elderly patients and then let them decide.

I’ll ask again because your argument is confusing. Are you saying that people should trust Trumps medical advice over their own doctors?

sallybutler:

Why even involve doctors? Why limit it to COVID-19? Let everyone treat themselves for whatever they think they have with whatever they want to use.

These patients are sick elderly who have a slim chance of survival from SARS. Stop trying to mandate their care. There are many geriatric doctors who are already trying these medications and procedures on their patients.

Who’s trying to stop people getting treatment?

 

[sallybutler]

These patients are sick elderly who have a slim chance of survival from SARS. Stop trying to mandate their care. There are many geriatric doctors who are already trying these medications and procedures.

I am not trying to mandate their care. I’m asking you why have doctors for any disease. Why are you saying that old people should be allowed to decide what is the best medical treatment for them when it comes to COVID-19? Why only old people? Why not young people? Why not asthma? Why not cancer? Why not appendicitis? Why make some medicines require prescriptions? After all, people should be able to determine their own treatment plans and decide what medicines will work.

 

[gam197]

I’ll ask again because your argument is confusing. Are you saying that people should trust Trumps medical advice over their own doctors?

I am saying Trump saw hope in some treatments and if you think he is not going to get every “new controversial drug” that he wants you are wrong. He will get blood plasma if he wants it.

People who are elderly want to have that same advantage whether the drug is approved for malaria or not. They want blood plasma.

 

[sallybutler]

The elderly are not google searching. They are asking for help from their primary physicians.

You are right. They are using Duck Duck Go.

FYI, the elderly are not all computer illiterate.

 

[gam197]

I am not trying to mandate their care. I’m asking you why have doctors for any disease. Why are you saying that old people should be allowed to decide what is the best medical treatment for them when it comes to COVID-19? Why only old people? Why not young people? Why not asthma? Why not cancer? Why not appendicitis? Why make some medicines require prescriptions? After all, people should be able to determine their own treatment plans and decide what medicines will work.

Because the sick elderly are the ones dying from SARS.

 

[gam197]

You are right. They are using Duck Duck Go.

FYI, the elderly are not all computer illiterate.

I did not say they are not computer illiterate but if they are sick, they are not searching google for a cure.

 

[Emeraldlady]

Emeraldlady:

I’ll ask again because your argument is confusing. Are you saying that people should trust Trumps medical advice over their own doctors?

I am saying Trump saw hope in some treatments and if you think he is not going to get every “new controversial drug” that he wants you are wrong. He will get blood plasma if he wants it.

People who are elderly want to have that same advantage whether the drug is approved for malaria or not. They want blood plasma.

But what qualification does Trump have to be speculating about medical treatments? The US medical community is renowned for having created the influenza vaccine that made it’s way around the world. Why has Trump got an edge on the medical community in your opinion?

 

[gam197]

But what qualification does Trump have to be speculating about medical treatments? The US medical community is renowned for having created the influenza vaccine that made it’s way around the world. Why has Trump got an edge on the medical community in your opinion?

He talks to doctors, heck he’s got more professional people around him. He said himself he would take.

Why should you control it. Open it up and let the elderly decide it.

 

[sallybutler]

BTW, why do you call it SARS instead of Coronavirus or COVID-19? Are you meaning the current disease that is causing problems around the world or do you mean the virus that caused problems in 2003? While they are somewhat related (sort of like IPA and Guinness are both beers), they are different diseases.

 

[gam197]

BTW, why do you call it SARS instead of Coronavirus or COVID-19? Are you meaning the current disease that is causing problems around the world or do you mean the virus that caused problems in 2003? While they are somewhat related (sort of like IPA and Guinness are both beers), they are different diseases.

Come on. Are we in a SARS or Covid-19 pandemic? They are related.