Washington State makes 7th - gay marriage

[Jupiter_Victor]

You have really bought into the victim scam, haven’t you? It is the only weapon you can use to get things past the liberals in government. Poor fools; when will they begin to stand up to that form of blackmail. You know the type ‘Unless you meet my demands that men are allowed to have sex with other men, I will call you a homophobe’! That is what I call, calling the victim card. It doesn’t change anything! It will never change hearts - right-thinking people find what you do utterly disgusting and the reasonable man in the street knows that homosexuals destroy the very fabric of the family, which makes up the fabric of the community. Those who indulge in homosexual acts are on the road to Hell, but before they go, they are going to destroy civilisation as we know it. In their wake, will be AIDS, suicide, devastated lives and a people miserable with guilt. Kantz taught that it is utterly destructive of the person to go against a direct teaching of God. See Leviticus 18 and what St Paul says about homosexuals never getting into heaven. These truths will never change, no matter how you whinge about them, play the victim or blackmail weak politicians into giving into your demands. God help you.

lol since the word homosexual wasn’t around when wither Leviticus or 1 Cor was written I highly doubt homosexuality is what was meant.

as as for being the victum…I am, bullied in Catholic primary school, Catholic Highschool, parents bullied out of parish councils, my mothers job as the priests housekeeper…
Oh yes Bullied is an understatement for what I and my family have been through with the Catholic Church. but I hold no malice. just a sincere desire for change

 

[Jerome_Fan]

From Cardinal Ratzinger:
catholicinsight.com/online/culture/article_621.shtml

The now dominant mentality attacks the very foundations of the morality of the Church, which, as I have already said, if she remains true to herself risks appearing like an anachronistic construct, a bothersome, alien body. Thus the moral theologians of the Western Hemisphere, in their efforts to still remain “credible” in our society, find themselves facing a difficult alternative: it seems to them that they must choose between opposing modern society and opposing the Magisterium.
It seems to me that this is not their dilemma - what the dilemma is that society has come full circle and is aiming its sights at the Catholic Church in particular, but some other religions are also caught up in this. We are moving into a time of persecution - these times come around regularly throughout history - the teachings of the Catholic Church are Truth, based upon the unchangeable teachings of our unchangeable God. There is no question of changing any of the dogmas of the Church - but all Catholics are called to lay their livelihoods, families and even their very lives on the line. Whenever we are faced by the demand to honour false Gods, we have to stand up for Jesus and His Bride, the Roman Catholic Church. Prepare to die for Christ - a wonderful way to go straight to Heaven. I say, ‘Bring it on!’ Remember - Jesus promised that the ‘Gates of Hell will not prevail against it’ (meaning the Catholic Church, the True Church founded by Our Blessed Lord - once she begins to fight, united against the evil of the Devil, she will defeated the serpent)

 

[Jupiter_Victor]

\Prepare to die for Christ - a wonderful way to go straight to Heaven. I say, ‘Bring it on!’

I hope you get your wish too

 

[Jerome_Fan]

lol since the word homosexual wasn’t around when wither Leviticus or 1 Cor was written I highly doubt homosexuality is what was meant.

as as for being the victum…I am, bullied in Catholic primary school, Catholic Highschool, parents bullied out of parish councils, my mothers job as the priests housekeeper…
Oh yes Bullied is an understatement for what I and my family have been through with the Catholic Church. but I hold no malice. just a sincere desire for change

Again, I am amazed at your ignorance, which may have been due to your being bullied. I say this in a Christian way. Homosexuality is the word used in the bible in both Leviticus - the Old Testament and in St Paul - the New Testament. Sorry, you are wrong again. Do inform yourself. You will get Grace from God when you read the bible and you will learn the Laws of God - which you must keep or your life will be miserable and you could end up in Hell - whether you believe in it or not. Imagine being a twin in your mother’s womb - 1st twin says to the other twin “Do you believe in life after birth?” Other twin says “Of course not! I’m no fool!”. Then the 1st twin asks “Do you believe in Mum?” “Who?”, asked the 2nd twin. “Of course I don’t; never seen her, don’t believe in her!” You can understand why they would think the way they do. They only believe in what they see.

 

[rlg94086]

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It seems to me that this is not their dilemma - what the dilemma is that society has come full circle and is aiming its sights at the Catholic Church in particular, but some other religions are also caught up in this. We are moving into a time of persecution - these times come around regularly throughout history - the teachings of the Catholic Church are Truth, based upon the unchangeable teachings of our unchangeable God. There is no question of changing any of the dogmas of the Church - but all Catholics are called to lay their livelihoods, families and even their very lives on the line. Whenever we are faced by the demand to honour false Gods, we have to stand up for Jesus and His Bride, the Roman Catholic Church. Prepare to die for Christ - a wonderful way to go straight to Heaven. I say, ‘Bring it on!’

Yep. Time to “gird our loins.” Satan and his willing accomplices will not prevail, but it won’t be a fun time for Catholics and those in imperfect communion with the Church.

 

[Jupiter_Victor]

Again, I am amazed at your ignorance, which may have been due to your being bullied. I say this in a Christian way. Homosexuality is the word used in the bible in both Leviticus - the Old Testament and in St Paul - the New Testament. Sorry, you are wrong again. Do inform yourself. You will get Grace from God when you read the bible and you will learn the Laws of God - which you must keep or your life will be miserable and you could end up in Hell - whether you believe in it or not. Imagine being a twin in your mother’s womb - 1st twin says to the other twin “Do you believe in life after birth?” Other twin says “Of course not! I’m no fool!”. Then the 1st twin asks “Do you believe in Mum?” “Who?”, asked the 2nd twin. “Of course I don’t; never seen her, don’t believe in her!” You can understand why they would think the way they do. They only believe in what they see.

lol ur knowledge of konie greek is truly and remarkably uneducated,

anyone with knowledge of the classics will know that homosexuality is NOT mentioned in the bible…indeed through the middle ages 1 Cor was used against masturbators, men who had arsenokoitai with their wives (arsenokoitai is the Konie greek word that is translated in modern bibles as homosexuality) but in The Ancient Byzantine bibles arsenokoitai was translated as masturbation…

so no Homosexuality as we understand it today is NOT what the bible is on about.

but since your clearly not educated in the classics it’s below me to argue with you. Ta Ta

 

[SpeakInSilence]

Jerome Fan;8958112:

I hope you get your wish too

I’m terribly sorry that you were bullied in school, I was bullied because of how feminine my voice was, and is a horrible thing to deal with; however you being bullied doesn’t change the fact that you are getting your facts horrible wrong. I was an atheist for long enough to see when someone has brainwashed themselves.

 

[SpeakInSilence]

Again, I am amazed at your ignorance, which may have been due to your being bullied. I say this in a Christian way. Homosexuality is the word used in the bible in both Leviticus - the Old Testament and in St Paul - the New Testament. Sorry, you are wrong again. Do inform yourself. You will get Grace from God when you read the bible and you will learn the Laws of God - which you must keep or your life will be miserable and you could end up in Hell - whether you believe in it or not. Imagine being a twin in your mother’s womb - 1st twin says to the other twin “Do you believe in life after birth?” Other twin says “Of course not! I’m no fool!”. Then the 1st twin asks “Do you believe in Mum?” “Who?”, asked the 2nd twin. “Of course I don’t; never seen her, don’t believe in her!” You can understand why they would think the way they do. They only believe in what they see.

You should never harass someone for being bullied, you may correct then all you want about not getting their facts straight, but never stoop to such a level.

 

[Jerome_Fan]

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as as for being the victum…I am, bullied in Catholic primary school, Catholic Highschool, parents bullied out of parish councils, my mothers job as the priests housekeeper…
Oh yes Bullied is an understatement for what I and my family have been through with the Catholic Church. but I hold no malice. just a sincere desire for change

I am sure you were bullied if you are openly homosexual in times when it was rightly considered a ‘disordered’ condition. Because no psychiatrist dare stand up and be counted on the issue and offer some treatment for this disorder, people will continue to feel threatened, at worst, and uneasy, at best when in the presence of an openly homosexual person. This was and never will be specific to Catholics. In fact, you will find the greatest sympathy and kindness from Catholics, who are hard-wired to be Christ-like in the face of handicap of all sorts. Of course, people can be cruel, especially children and some Catholics are that in name only. I do sympathise with any bully victim, as my son was bullied because he had Aspergers, which made him appear to be homosexual at first glance - he isn’t btw. Thank God for His Mercy.

 

[Jerome_Fan]

You should never harass someone for being bullied, you may correct then all you want about not getting their facts straight, but never stoop to such a level.

I think you may have misunderstood my comment. I spoke as a teacher; if a student is being bullied, they miss out on much that is going on in class and this can have a negative affect on their education. I hope this clears up your misunderstanding. As you can see, I did not ‘stoop’ to the level you accused me of. God bless.

 

[Jupiter_Victor]

Jerome_Fan:
I am sure you were bullied if you are openly homosexual in times when it was rightly considered a ‘disordered’ condition. Because no psychiatrist dare stand up and be counted on the issue and offer some treatment for this disorder, people will continue to feel threatened, at worst, and uneasy, at best when in the presence of an openly homosexual person. This was and never will be specific to Catholics. In fact, you will find the greatest sympathy and kindness from Catholics, who are hard-wired to be Christ-like in the face of handicap of all sorts. Of course, people can be cruel, especially children and some Catholics are that in name only. I do sympathise with any bully victim, as my son was bullied because he had Aspergers, which made him appear to be homosexual at first glance - he isn’t btw. Thank God for His Mercy.

you really are a revolting individual. don’t talk to me again!

 

[Jerome_Fan]

you really are a revolting individual. don’t talk to me again!

Our Pope describes homosexuality as a ‘disordered condition’; it is not my description. Your rudeness to me is again down to your incredible ignorance and your self-pity about your condition. Try to be more positive and work at seeing homosexuality the way God sees it. He created you; you must accept that you are this way because He willed it, if that is the case. If you deal with it according to the teachings of the Catholic Church, I believe that you will get help and eventually great blessings for all your efforts in overcoming it. Giving into it is just not an option. I say this to you for the sake of your soul. God bless.

 

[Jerome_Fan]

lol ur knowledge of konie greek is truly and remarkably uneducated,

anyone with knowledge of the classics will know that homosexuality is NOT mentioned in the bible…indeed through the middle ages 1 Cor was used against masturbators, men who had arsenokoitai with their wives (arsenokoitai is the Konie greek word that is translated in modern bibles as homosexuality) but in The Ancient Byzantine bibles arsenokoitai was translated as masturbation…

so no Homosexuality as we understand it today is NOT what the bible is on about.

but since your clearly not educated in the classics it’s below me to argue with you. Ta Ta
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The Catholic Church put the bible together from the Old Testament and the writings of the gospel writers. Although Protestants butchered the bible in the middle ages and have many different versions out (having removed what they found did not agree with their heresies, of course) nonetheless the bible is a Catholic book. Try to get a copy of the Ignatius Bible. I have read it quite thoroughly and I can assure you that the word ‘homosexuality’ IS in the bible. It is categoric in Leviticus 18 and St Paul speaks clearly about homosexuality on several occasions. It was the act of homosexuality that was considered ‘an abomination’ in the sight of our omnipresent (all seeing and always with us) and omniscient (all knowing) Creator. So be warned. You are directly going against our omnipotent (all powerful) God when you practice what is loathsome to His sight. In this PC world, few will tell you what you are learning here - you risk your very soul by practising homosexuality. God have mercy on you.

 

[Julia_Mae]

Do I understand you correctly? You are clapping because homosexuals can take part in a charade that mimics marriage? Two plugs cannot give electric power; two sockets have the same result. Two homosexuals are not life-giving by their very nature - so why get married? Marriage is to sanctify…

Sacramental marriage is. Everyone isn’t Catholic. Or Christian. Or even a theist. We don’t get to decide based on our religion what contracts people can enter into with the government. I don’t think anyone made “gay marriage” legal. I think they probably defined what a civil union is to include any two consenting adults (probably) not related in the 1st or 2nd degree.

When we enter into a sacramental union, the government has nothing whatsoever to do with it. Because we live in this country, that union also provides us with certain rights and responsibilities in civil law. Sacramental marriage was ALWAYS seperate from civil union. They are simply canonizing what was always a fact.

 

[Peggy_in_Burien]

Sacramental marriage is. Everyone isn’t Catholic. Or Christian. Or even a theist. We don’t get to decide based on our religion what contracts people can enter into with the government. I don’t think anyone made “gay marriage” legal. I think they probably defined what a civil union is to include any two consenting adults (probably) not related in the 1st or 2nd degree.

When we enter into a sacramental union, the government has nothing whatsoever to do with it. Because we live in this country, that union also provides us with certain rights and responsibilities in civil law. Sacramental marriage was ALWAYS seperate from civil union. They are simply canonizing what was always a fact.

Small correction in the case of Washington State. In 2010 the people of the state voted for civil unions that were “everything, but marriage.” However, what the two houses in the State legislature passed (and was signed by Gov. Christine Gregoire today) is a “marriage equality” bill that allows for marriages–as defined by the State of Washington–to include the marriages between two men or two women.

It is also wreaking havoc in the business community now, because there are businesses who, because of their religious beliefs, will not cater, bake for, arrange flowers, or photograph, same sex marriages. We shall see how this washes out, as we are being assured that no one would ever be taken to court over their religious views. Right…

Of course, it is not “sacramental;” it can’t be.

 

[_Abyssinia]

The Gov. of Washington state is a Catholic.

I hope the Bishop of Washington does something. Why should this Gov. be allowed to get Communion? Or maybe he has been stopped already? I don’t know.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Santorum, Romney and Gingrich have signed a National Organization of Marriage pledge to protect traditional marriage when president, it includes a constitutional amendment to protect traditional marriage, protecting DOMA, appointing judicial judges and an attorney General who oppose same sex ‘marriage,’ appointing a commission to investigate claims of harassment against people who support traditional marriage only, and supporting legislation that will give the people in the District of Columbia the right to vote on marriage.

State laws legalizing same sex ‘marriage’ will be overridden and same sex ‘marriages’ will be invalid.

 

[bbarrick8383]

Santorum, Romney and Gingrich have signed a National Organization of Marriage pledge to protect traditional marriage when president, it includes a constitutional amendment to protect traditional marriage, protecting DOMA, appointing judicial judges and an attorney General who oppose same sex ‘marriage,’ appointing a commission to investigate claims of harassment against people who support traditional marriage only, and supporting legislation that will give the people in the District of Columbia the right to vote on marriage.

State laws legalizing same sex ‘marriage’ will be overridden and same sex ‘marriages’ will be invalid.

Good luck with that, without a constitutional amendment, letting the federal governments dirty hands deal with marriage your asking for gay marriage for all.

Someday people may learn.

 

[scipio337]

Good luck with that, without a constitutional amendment, letting the federal governments dirty hands deal with marriage your asking for gay marriage for all.

Someday people may learn.

You keep treading on this path of “Conservatives brought this on by getting involved in marriage” without any evidence.

How so? By asking for DOMA?

Marriage has been governed on the local level, as far back as English Common law, and I think most conservatives are fine with that, but wanted guarantees for what passed in California wouldn’t be forced on Texans to recongize.

This is just another case of “domestic partnerships aren’t good enough”. California had them starting in 1999 (10 years of litigation for “marriage”). Washington state approved same sex civil unions in 2007.

More proof that the debate isn’t about “equal protection and opportunity”, people just want state sanction on lifestyle sources, and societal acceptance by judicial fiat.

 

[bbarrick8383]

You keep treading on this path of “Conservatives brought this on by getting involved in marriage” without any evidence.

How so? By asking for DOMA?

Marriage has been governed on the local level, as far back as English Common law, and I think most conservatives are fine with that, but wanted guarantees for what passed in California wouldn’t be forced on Texans to recongize.

This is just another case of “domestic partnerships aren’t good enough”. California had them starting in 1999 (10 years of litigation for “marriage”). Washington state approved same sex civil unions in 2007.

More proof that the debate isn’t about “equal protection and opportunity”, people just want state sanction on lifestyle sources, and societal acceptance by judicial fiat.

Not just DOMA, but by allowing government recognition of a religious issue to become a mainstream desire by everyone. If marriage was dealt with only by the religious institution and there was no precedent set to give government the ability to regulate it then we wouldn’t be having this problem. Religiously these marriages are invalid anyway, so this only matters legislatively.

People don’t realize that if you cherish something, giving that something to government to protect outside of its normal physical capabilities of military protection which is dangerous itself, is just stupid.