What did Jesus bring to the world that was not already brought by Moses?

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John 8:48-59

“Before Abraham was born, I am.” - Jesus

Given the context (“I am who I am”) those are probably the most radical words ever uttered by a human being.
 
Servant19 said:
Jesus Himself says that He is greater than Moses??

I am only aware of Hebrews 3, and they are not Jesus Words :confused:
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So that means you need to spend more time understanding, reading, contemplating, examining, Catholicism because it is UNANIMOUS. 🙂

MJ
 
ianmarie91 said:
John 8:48-59

“Before Abraham was born, I am.” - Jesus

Given the context (“I am who I am”) those are probably the most radical words ever uttered by a human being.
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Ok, fantastic Ian, thankyou.

So because Jesus said the words “before Abraham was, I am” gives Jesus the authority to interpret the Book of Genesis in a way that is contrary to Jewish thinking?

Is that correct?
 
This answers the question (anything beyond this and we’re arguing proof for the messiah)

John 6:58

“I am the true bread that came down from heaven. Your ancestors ate manna and died, but whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.” - Jesus
 
Servant19 said:
Ok, fantastic Ian, thankyou.

So because Jesus said the words “before Abraham was, I am” gives Jesus the authority to interpret the Book of Genesis in a way that is contrary to Jewish thinking?

Is that correct?
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No Of course not, it does give an example of Jesus professing himself to be greater than all the prophets, and, getting himself and angry mob in the process… equating himself with God.
 
The point being that if we take Jesus under his own premise, than he has ultimate authority because he is “the word made flesh” and he has brought something new as defined and shown by his words and actions.

I think this is a unanimous point… now we could debate his authenticity as the messiah… but that has been going on a long long time with good arguments on both sides, obviously you can tell which side I think has the better ones lol, but that’s neither here nor there.
 
Servant19 said:
Ok, fantastic Ian, thankyou.

So because Jesus said the words “before Abraham was, I am” gives Jesus the authority to interpret the Book of Genesis in a way that is contrary to Jewish thinking?

Is that correct?
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Don’t get upset Servant19. Jesus knew very well his words would eventually get him killed.

MJ
 
Servant19 said:
Thats ok, Martin loves Baha’is deep down inside 😃
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Lol!

But on a serious note Serv 19… don’t you think that (what I mentioned) kind of sums it up and to continue now would be the … “was Jesus the messiah?” Debate?
 
ianmarie91 said:
No Of course not, it does give an example of Jesus professing himself to be greater than all the prophets, and, getting himself and angry mob in the process… equating himself with God.
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Yes of course Ian, I understand this.

So do you agree that this is the reason to believe Jesus over the Jews on the meanings contained within Genesis?
 
ianmarie91 said:
Lol!

But on a serious note Serv 19… don’t you think that (what I mentioned) kind of sums it up and to continue now would be the … “was Jesus the messiah?” Debate?
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The Jesus is/is not the Messiah debate is irrelevant to this discussion I feel, don’t you?
 
Well I believe that Jesus was God become man for many many reasons but because of this belief… it only makes logical sense to accept his teaching on scripture over the yokes of other rabbi at the time…

The popularity or majority of their view is ridiculously irrelevant once one operates under the premise of my perspective in faith.
 
ianmarie91 said:
Lol!

But on a serious note Serv 19… don’t you think that (what I mentioned) kind of sums it up and to continue now would be the … “was Jesus the messiah?” Debate?
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Actually, it’s also “Was-the-Messiah-supposed-to-be-G-d?” debate. And we’ve had our share of that as well.
 
meltzerboy said:
Actually, it’s also “Was-the-Messiah-supposed-to-be-G-d?” debate. And we’ve had our share of that as well.
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One would be wise to understand the “circumstances” around which a Message from God is given, and how upon receivership from the masses, it can result in effective propogation and expansion…

My point is, there is inherent “value” in the “Jesus was the Messiah and G-d” argument, especially when seen in the light of the spiritual condition of the masses at the time.

If He was God made flesh, then it belittles God IMHO, but it also has some Truth to it.
 
MartinJordan said:
Jesus IS Authority. 🙂

MJ
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I’m actually firmly of the belief that the Father is authority 🙂

Jesus was the mediator. The Father was the originator of Authority…

I think Jews feel the same way…did Jesus also abolish the concept of G-d in the Jewish religion?
 
Servant19 said:
I’m actually firmly of the belief that the Father is authority 🙂

Jesus was the mediator. The Father was the originator of Authority…

I think Jews feel the same way…did Jesus also abolish the concept of G-d in the Jewish religion?
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Jesus is God, the Son of God. God does not conceal the Truth. Jesus could not abolish the concept of God, nor abolish God in the Jewish religion nor the Jewish concept of God - whatever you are trying to get at.
 
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