What do witches/sorcerers deserve now?

[SPOKENWORD]

BlessedBe13:

I believe that there is an afterlife where everyone is joined together. Because I believe in all-loving creators, I don’t believe that anyone is excluded.

Why do you believe no one is excluded?

 

[BlessedBe13]

SPOKENWORD:

Why do you believe no one is excluded?

Because, as I said I believe in all-loving Creators. If they are truly all-loving, they would not exclude any of their creations from being with them in paradise/the afterlife/heaven/whatever one wants to call it.

 

[Apologia100]

BlessedBe13:

I believe that there is an afterlife where everyone is joined together. Because I believe in all-loving creators, I don’t believe that anyone is excluded.

Unfortunately, Jesus does.

 

[BlessedBe13]

Apologia100:

Unfortunately, Jesus does.

However, I do not believe that Jesus was/is God. And, even if I did, that goes back again to the contradictory view of God. He is supposed to be all-loving, but those who “reject” or do not believe in him are not allowed to spend eternity with Him? Sounds more like conditional love to me. That contradiction is one thing that turned me off from the Catholic faith. No matter what way you look at it, the concept of Hell and an all-loving God do not fit in together. You can only have one or the other.

 

[wisdom_3_5]

## This is simply what happens if one rejects the only Person Who can make one happy. Reject happiness - and the alternative is unhappiness. We can’t simultaneously reject God and choose God. Hell is merely what rejecting God is; what rejecting God means in practice.

It’s not capricious, or arbitrary or wilful of God. If we reject God, God will honour that choice. We will not be forced to want the God we don’t want. That would be unspeakably cruel, and God is not cruel. God is Love, and so He gives us our own way, on our terms, for ever, if we really insist. He says to the damned, “Thy will be done”. That is what Hell is - the enjoyment of our own way for ever, without God to bother us by having mercy on us.

Hell is in no way unfair. It is the alternative to loving God and being loved by God. If there is any unfairness, God is the one with a right to complain. We can’t insist both that we should have what we want, and then object when we don’t like it. We cannot choose selfishness, and reject selfishness at the same time. We must take the consequences of our choices. That is part of being grown up. ##

Excellent post! I would also like to add that we need to know our place, we are not gods and can not create something by willing it. God created us and our lives don’t belong to us they belong to Him. Out of His goodness and love He gave us free-will to accept Him or reject Him. He loves all of us, even those who reject Him. Why would God **force **someone who rejects Him to be in His presence for all eternity? God doesn’t **force **anyone to love and worship Him. How many here would want a false love and devotion?

 

[SPOKENWORD]

BlessedBe13:

Because, as I said I believe in all-loving Creators. If they are truly all-loving, they would not exclude any of their creations from being with them in paradise/the afterlife/heaven/whatever one wants to call it.

How can you be sure of this paradise? Are they truley all Loving?. You sound like your not really sure?. What IF you are wrong? Are you willing to gamble on your soul for eternity on a presumption? This much I know,MY GOD IS LOVE. My God does not lie. My God will do what He promises because its His Word and He will not go against His Word. Would you sell your eyes for a million dollars. Probably not,but you are willing to gamble your soul on uncertainty,which has so much more value than your eyes. You still can get into heaven with no eyes but you cannot when you sellout your soul to the unkown. Something seriously to think about? God has patience,and he will continue to tug on your Heart,because HE LOVES YOU.God Bless.

 

[BlessedBe13]

SPOKENWORD:

How can you be sure of this paradise?

The same way anyone else is sure of what they believe in - faith.

Are they truley all Loving?.

Yes

You sound like your not really sure?.

I never sounded unsure.

What IF you are wrong?

What IF you are?

Are you willing to gamble on your soul for eternity on a presumption?

I could still ask you the same.

This much I know,MY GOD IS LOVE. My God does not lie. My God will do what He promises because its His Word and He will not go against His Word.

The same goes for my Creators. See, we have something in common.

Probably not,but you are willing to gamble your soul on uncertainty,which has so much more value than your eyes.

No, I am certain.

You still can get into heaven with no eyes but you cannot when you sellout your soul to the unkown.

I still believe everyone’s going to the same place in the end, but either way, I’m not selling my soul to anything, and the Creators I believe in are not unknown, or else I would not believe in them.

 

[SPOKENWORD]

BlessedBe13:

The same way anyone else is sure of what they believe in - faith. Yes I never sounded unsure. What IF you are? I could still ask you the same. The same goes for my Creators. See, we have something in common.

No, I am certain.
I still believe everyone’s going to the same place in the end, but either way, I’m not selling my soul to anything, and the Creators I believe in are not unknown, or else I would not believe in them.

Blessed be. You should read what you write. You are in a state of confusion. My faith and your faith are different in what we believe. I have Gods WRITTEN WORD as a promise .Where is your? Lets say just for conversation sake that I am wrong I have nothing to lose,.,BUT if you are wrong you have everthing to lose.,your soul forever.You see I will not gamble my soul as you do, for I have His WRITTEN PROMISE. What do you have? Where are your Gods promises? The TRUTH is going to set you FREE if you will allow it. You see you already have sold out your eyes to your god,but you still have your soul and Jesus wants it If you allow Him to enter in.

 

[BlessedBe13]

SPOKENWORD:

My faith and your faith are different in what we believe.

That is true, but as Tantum Ergo said in their post, it is mainly a lot of external differences.

I have Gods WRITTEN WORD as a promise .Where is your?

Personally, I wouldn’t put much faith in written word alone. Especially considering the Bible was written by men, not God. Sure, things that I believe are written down, but I do not base my faith entirely upon that. That would not make much sense. I have come to certain beliefs through reading, prayer, and contemplation. My God and Goddess have revealed themselves to me. Has your God not revealed himself to you? Or do you base your entire faith on what a book says?

 

[SPOKENWORD]

BlessedBe13:

That is true, but as Tantum Ergo said in their post, it is mainly a lot of external differences.
Personally, I wouldn’t put much faith in written word alone. Especially considering the Bible was written by men, not God. Sure, things that I believe are written down, but I do not base my faith entirely upon that. That would not make much sense. I have come to certain beliefs through reading, prayer, and contemplation. My God and Goddess have revealed themselves to me. Has your God not revealed himself to you? Or do you base your entire faith on what a book says?

Blessedbe, Gods Written Word might not be enough for some us but I am a living example in what God has done for Me. The bible was written by man through the inspiration of the HOLY SPIRIT. Blessedbe,Do you want to be saved from darkness? Do you want to regain your sight? Do you want eternal salvation? Do you want to be delivered? Tell me what do you want from us if your answers are no? Im listening.

 

[BlessedBe13]

SPOKENWORD:

Gods Written Word might not be enough for some us but I am a living example in what God has done for Me.

I am a living example of what God and Goddess have done for me. Written words alone are not enough to base one’s beliefs on, no matter what they are. I’m not going to believe something just because some person (I have yet to see a book physically written by the Divine) wrote it down. One should evaluate why they believe what they do and have a relationship with whatever divinity it is they believe in.

The bible was written by man through the inspiration of the HOLY SPIRIT.

Possibly, but the Holy Spirit didn’t pick up a pen and write the Bible. Men may have been inspired in their writings, but they can still choose how to interpret those inspirations as well as write whatever they choose.

Do you want to be saved from darkness?

I am not in darkness.

Do you want to regain your sight?

I’ve found sight.

Do you want eternal salvation?

Everyone is going to the same place. And since I believe the soul is an eternal thing, I guess I’m all set for eternity.

Do you want to be delivered?

From what?

Tell me what do you want from us if your answers are no?

Who is us?

 

[Apologia100]

BlessedBe13:

However, I do not believe that Jesus was/is God. And, even if I did, that goes back again to the contradictory view of God. He is supposed to be all-loving, but those who “reject” or do not believe in him are not allowed to spend eternity with Him? Sounds more like conditional love to me. That contradiction is one thing that turned me off from the Catholic faith. No matter what way you look at it, the concept of Hell and an all-loving God do not fit in together. You can only have one or the other.

You’re right, those confounded apostles were so mean to create the image of a conditionally loving savior. We need to remake God into our image so that he fits better into the morally relative society we have become. I think that a vegan, Metrosexual, Rainbow-Coalition, Up With People! Jesus is much better!

 

[SPOKENWORD]

BlessedBe13:

I am a living example of what God and Goddess have done for me. Written words alone are not enough to base one’s beliefs on, no matter what they are. I’m not going to believe something just because some person (I have yet to see a book physically written by the Divine) wrote it down. One should evaluate why they believe what they do and have a relationship with whatever divinity it is they believe in.
Possibly, but the Holy Spirit didn’t pick up a pen and write the Bible. Men may have been inspired in their writings, but they can still choose how to interpret those inspirations as well as write whatever they choose.
I am not in darkness. I’ve found sight. Everyone is going to the same place. And since I believe the soul is an eternal thing, I guess I’m all set for eternity.
From what?
Who is us?

US CHRISTIANS. You won this conversation but at this point you have lost your soul. Whats the Gain? Ive tryed to be your helping hand to reach out to you in love through Jesus Christ but you have rejected Him.I leave you now in the hands of the Holy Spirit for only by His power can you come out of darkness. BLESSED BE THE NAME OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST.

 

[BlessedBe13]

Apologia100:

You’re right, those confounded apostles were so mean to create the image of a conditionally loving savior.

No, they can create that image if they choose. Just don’t go around claiming afterwards that he is all-loving. That’s the problem - the contradictions. You can have a conditionally loving savior or an all-loving savior - not both.

I think that a vegan, Metrosexual, Rainbow-Coalition, Up With People! Jesus is much better!

That’s fine with me if you want to believe in that. If you are directing that towards me, then: 1. I am no-where near vegan. I eat animal products everyday. Love hamburgers and steak. 2. metrosexual . People can do what they want, but I think it’s weird. 3. Although I don’t judge homosexuals, I don’t support that sort of lifestyle either. 4. What’s wrong with people? 5. I don’t believe that Jesus was/is God, so this really wouldn’t apply to me anyway.

 

[BlessedBe13]

SPOKENWORD:

US CHRISTIANS.

Ok, now what was the question.

Explain “won”. I am having a conversation. Is this a contest for you? And I still have my soul. It was given to me by my creators and cannot be destroyed or lost.

 

[SPOKENWORD]

Blessed be . Lets be honest with each other. It really doesnt matter what I say at this point. Ill tell you this and this is the truth. My heart grieves for you. I gave it my best shot. I was told along time to stop but in disobidience I didnt listen. Jesus tells us not to cast our pearls onto the swine. I now will go before the Lord an repent for my disobidience. Im sure He understands my heart and He will forgive me. Obidience is better than sacrafice says the Lord. Peace as I go into the sunset.

 

[BlessedBe13]

SPOKENWORD:

Blessed be . Lets be honest with each other. It really doesnt matter what I say at this point. Ill tell you this and this is the truth. My heart grieves for you. I gave it my best shot. I was told along time to stop but in disobidience I didnt listen. Jesus tells us not to cast our pearls onto the swine. I now will go before the Lord an repent for my disobidience. Im sure He understands my heart and He will forgive me. Obidience is better than sacrafice says the Lord. Peace as I go into the sunset.

To be honest with you, trying to shove religion down someone’s throat is not going to go over well. And that’s basically what it seemed like you are doing. Telling me I was “in darkness” and “Jesus is the only way” I am “blind” and my soul is “lost”, etc. The best thing you can do is live out your religion in your day to day life. If someone asks questions or expresses an interest, answer them. But basically trying to “force” conversion with the “this is the only right way, or else your soul is lost” argument, is not going to work in most cases.

 

[SPOKENWORD]

BlessedBe13:

To be honest with you, trying to shove religion down someone’s throat is not going to go over well. And that’s basically what it seemed like you are doing. Telling me I was “in darkness” and “Jesus is the only way” I am “blind” and my soul is “lost”, etc. The best thing you can do is live out your religion in your day to day life. If someone asks questions or expresses an interest, answer them. But basically trying to “force” conversion with the “this is the only right way, or else your soul is lost” argument, is not going to work in most cases.

I think its funny. Its like you trying to teach the priest how to pray? Sometime the TRUTH hurts.That sounds good to you because I know where you are coming from,but the truth is God has called all christians to preach the good news. If I was to wait for them to ask me questions most of them would end up in hell. Just so that you know, I didnt go looking for you, you came here.I did not make you push the keyboard buttons. Many are called but few are chosen. Jesus came to save all but all did not accept him.

 

[dhgray]

They should be tied to a chair and forced to watch Charmed, Sabarina, Bewitched, etc.

 

[jrabs]

dhgray:

They should be tied to a chair and forced to watch Charmed, Sabarina, Bewitched, etc.

without popcorn and snacks to munch on