What is antisemitism?

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StephenBales said:
Israel is perhaps the lone bastion of any sort of freedom, rule of law, respect for human rights and life, and peace left in the Middle East. It already deserves our respect and our aid for that alone.
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First of all,” Netanyahu wrote in a Facebook message Sunday morning addressed to actress Rotem Sela, “an important correction: Israel is not a country of all its citizens. According to the Nation-State Law that we passed, Israel is the nation-state of the Jewish nation – and its alone.
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www.jpost.com

Netanyahu to Rotem Sela: Israel is not a country of all its citizens

The prime minister responded to an Instagram post from Israeli actress Rotem Sela, who said the government must stop delegitimizing its Arab citizens.
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Would you support that statement as coming from bastion of respect for human rights and peace?

Now, in posing that question, am I promoting antisemitism?
 
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I really like that phrase at the end of your reply. “Runs away with a while confectionery factory,” perfect 😂
 
I’m a fan of Ronald Reagan. However, he supported “assault weapons” bans and during his governorship signed into law no-fault divorce. He wasn’t perfect.

I’m also a fan of Israel, and indeed, even Netanyahu. Does that necessitate my assent to and advocacy for everything that comes out of his mouth or every law or policy from Israeli legislature?
Aside from one-off quotes, can you point to any policies or actions made by the state of Israel against non-Jews that comes anywhere close to what Hamas or Hezbollah or the PLO wants to do to Israelis?

You’ve made a straw man here. But it burned up rather quickly, eh?

EDIT: As to the last question of your post, which I only noticed after posting myself, no, it doesn’t. I’m not sure what you’re referencing.
 
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OneSheep said:
Would you support that statement as coming from bastion of respect for human rights and peace?
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I would hate for people around the world to take Donald Trump’s tweets as official US political doctrine. Therefore, I refuse to equate the entire Israeli national approach to human and civil rights to a statement by Netanyahu.

If you want to judge Israel, do so on how it actually treats its Arab citizens. They have civil rights and voting rights. There are Arab Israelis in the Knesset. Is there discrimination? Yes. But there is discrimination against ethnic minorities in the US. No country is perfect. People just like to single out Israel as somehow different and hold it to higher standards than they would ever place upon themselves.

However, unlike other countries in the Middle East, Israel is a fully functioning democracy. Arab Israelis do have recourse to the courts when they face discrimination, and there are examples of the Israeli Supreme Court ruling in favor of Arabs and against government discrimination.
 
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You joined 20 minutes ago to share these names. For what reason, I’ve no idea. But I urge you to think carefully about what you’re suggesting.
 
So, over a timespan of about the last two-hundred years, you’ve come up with 20 names. This is supposed to be your proof?
 
I’m just suggesting you look up these peoples names, they’re the names of the founders of Communist movements and Communist spies. I’m a History Nerd, I thought maybe you might like historical figures too. I love reading biographies and wanted to share them.
 
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And you’re suggesting by naming them that Jews are part of some world conspiracy?
 
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Fauken said:
timespan of about the last two-hundred years, you’ve come up with 20 names. This
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proof of what? I just thought it would be intersting for people to read about Soviet spies, founder of Communist Party USA and American Anarchist movements, the leader of Communist uprisings in Germany, etc.
 
Why are you putting words in my mouth? I just think it’s nice to learn about people from the past. Read their biographies, they led very interesting lives and impacted the world we live in. You can lead a horse to water, but can’t force it to drink I guess.
 
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We’re not as stupid as you think. We know who those people are. We know what they’ve done (although I’m not a history buff, but Stalin was responsible for the Holodomor, not the staunchly Atheistic Lenin, unless there’s a name in that list I don’t recognize). Once again, you produced twenty names over a period of about the 200 years of history, and this is supposed to be proof?

What kind of picture then does Karadzic paint for the Serbs?
 
YevgenyRodionov said:
Lazar Moiseyevich Kaganovich was a Soviet politician and administrator and one of the main associates of Joseph Stalin. He is known for helping Stalin seize power, for his role in the Soviet famine of 1932–33 in Ukraine, and for his harsh treatment and execution of those deemed threats to Stalin’s regime.
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Ah yes, Stalin’s regime! The same Stalin who loved the Jewish people, right? Genocide is awful. Kind of like the one Karadzic did, right? And yet people don’t start threads on how subversive Serbians are or make poorly veiled insinuations then feign ignorance to what they’re implying.
 
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YevgenyRodionov said:
I like to study the history of Communism and these are famous Communists. It is an objective fact that these people are Communists. I am not sure what you mean by “implying”? Do you think these are not real Communist Historical figures?
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Certainly not. I’m just surprised you focused all on ones held up as poster child examples used by anti-Semites for why the Jewish people are terrible in a thread about anti-Semitism. I’m curious why you didn’t list Einstein, or Anne Frank, or, since this is a Catholic website, St. Edith Stein. There are a few notable people of history missing from your list, are there not?

You gave me a history page, I’ll give you one. He still is being talked about today.

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Radovan Karadzic sentence increased to life at UN tribunal

The Bosnian Serb ex-leader planned the 1995 Srebrenica massacre of nearly 8,000 Muslim men and boys.
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“In its original verdict, the UN tribunal ruled that Karadzic and other leaders were responsible for the “organised and systematic pattern of crimes committed against Bosnian Muslims and Bosnian Croats”. At Srebrenica, Bosnian Serb soldiers slaughtered nearly 8,000 Muslim men and boys in a “safe area” protected by Dutch peacekeeping forces for the UN. Judges also held Karadzic responsible for the siege of Sarajevo, a campaign of shelling and sniping which lasted more than three years and led to the deaths of an estimated 10,000 civilians.”
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I don’t think he sounds very nice. I had forgotten about the other name of another Serb mentioned in the article: Mladic. Guess how long ago this war was?
 
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YevgenyRodionov said:
I like to study the history of Communism and these are famous Communists.
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Sooo… the thread is about antisemitism, but there are certainly prejudicial feelings (all understandable) toward communists also.

Do you hold something against communists?
 
Do you have a sense that there is something “less acceptable” about Jewish people who do not believe in the divinity of Jesus?
HopkinsReb said:
She admitted that the aforementioned tweet was antisemitic.
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Do you get the impression, when she apologized, that she had actually intended to make an antisemitic statement?

What do you think she was trying to communicate?
StephenBales said:
Aside from one-off quotes, can you point to any policies or actions made by the state of Israel against non-Jews that comes anywhere close to what Hamas or Hezbollah or the PLO wants to do to Israelis?
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You’re making a few assumptions there, but that is not the focus of this thread.
ltwin said:
I refuse to equate the entire Israeli national approach to human and civil rights to a statement by Netanyahu.
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Me too, for sure. Would a criticism of B.N.'s statement be antisemitic?
 
From the CCC:
The Church and non-Christians

[839](javascript:openWindow(‘cr/839.htm’) "Those who have not yet received the Gospel are related to the People of God in various ways."325

The relationship of the Church with the Jewish People . When she delves into her own mystery, the Church, the People of God in the New Covenant, discovers her link with the Jewish People,326 "the first to hear the Word of God."327 The Jewish faith, unlike other non-Christian religions, is already a response to God’s revelation in the Old Covenant. To the Jews “belong the sonship, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises; to them belong the patriarchs, and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ”,328 "for the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable."329
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The priest who taught our Bible study taught us that everyone who enters heaven does so through Christ. “People who do not believe in the Gospel still enter heaven through Christ.”

If not, we have the image of God such that people of other religions are unacceptable in some way.

What is your image of God? Is it an inclusive Love, or exclusive?
 
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